As usual Mira with bdsm and aggressive younger girl is great.

Not a big fan of exhibitionism, but it seems like they stopped doing that.

"We both love each other but I won't date you unless you let me do exhibitionist S&M play" is a pretty terrible way to start a relationship

This seems to have ended well, but I hope they have some sort of safe word in the future! It definitely felt like the older girl was pressured into playing along because of her fear that the younger one would leave her otherwise.

Yeah, I felt Mira wanted to show that in BDSM it’s important to give a consent but really she just showed how shitty BDSM is. Even if there is a consent, the M party probably is pushed into it by some hidden motive that eventually develops into something like Stockholm syndrom. It’s like if you put a gun against someone’s dog and ask them for sex - they would agree, but is it a consent? Ugh.

Why would you people read something with the BDSM tag if you are THAT against of BDSM? Just read things you enjoy and let other people enjoy this, damm.

Why would you people read something with the BDSM tag if you are THAT against of BDSM? Just read things you enjoy and let other people enjoy this, damm.

I like bdsm which is why I think parts of this story could be made better! I mean at the end of the day, it's just some hot porn but I don't want people to think this what a healthy bdsm relationship is like

Another Mira masterpiece! Such a well told story of yuri love and BDSM, it was very lovely. All hail Mira
Also, couldn't help but think of the kinpaku (golden) kinbaku (bondage) skit from Seitokai yukuindomo when I read the title, damn that shits still funny til now

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Why would you people read something with the BDSM tag if you are THAT against of BDSM? Just read things you enjoy and let other people enjoy this, damm.

I like bdsm which is why I think parts of this story could be made better! I mean at the end of the day, it's just some hot porn but I don't want people to think this what a healthy bdsm relationship is like

I thought it was actually a pretty good depiction of a loving BDSM relationship... still a better love story than fifty shades!

Why would you people read something with the BDSM tag if you are THAT against of BDSM? Just read things you enjoy and let other people enjoy this, damm.

I like bdsm which is why I think parts of this story could be made better! I mean at the end of the day, it's just some hot porn but I don't want people to think this what a healthy bdsm relationship is like

I can totally agree, but this story would have to be way longer to be able to show a healthy bdsm. If you want it, just go and read Sunstone (comic).

At the end of the day, Mira writes porn, but she largely insisted on consent so I give this a thumb-up.

Poor girl probably rubbed herself raw on that string x_x

Why would you people read something with the BDSM tag if you are THAT against of BDSM? Just read things you enjoy and let other people enjoy this, damm.

I like bdsm which is why I think parts of this story could be made better! I mean at the end of the day, it's just some hot porn but I don't want people to think this what a healthy bdsm relationship is like

I can totally agree, but this story would have to be way longer to be able to show a healthy bdsm. If you want it, just go and read Sunstone (comic).

I agree as well. BDSM is a lot more than what you see Mira depict, lol. Safe words are important, but if you're that concerned my headcanon is that the younger girl is inexperienced and therefore isn't actually following general standard/safety procedures in an ideal scenario, and the time progression is after they've actually looked into what's healthy.

That being said, I like Mira's work and am subscribed to receive any uploads, but I'm kinda tired of the more recent stuff. I wish we could see more stuff like The Sea, You, and the Sun.

Mira never disappoints! Not a fan of BDSM, but she did a good job illustrating the manga.

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This is so intense... I shouldn't have read it before going to work, guess this workday is screwed up with hard lewd thoughts
Future me, please don't read anything that's NSFW before or while W ))))

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Not a fan of BDSM but I like Mira's work despite how crazy it can get sometimes.

They did have a safe word, a phrase, they talked about it several times.

It's consent, she told her 'this is my kink' and that it comes with the rest of herself: that's pretty honest on a first date eh? (I know, they've known each other for years, lolz! But obviously never once talked about such things)

A fine depiction of some healthy kinky relationship... parts.

Regardless of this discussion of BDSM, this is how to do Age Gap right without the pedo weirdness. Feelings, twinges, etc are natural and you can't choose what you feel. However you can choose how you act on it. Waiting until the younger partner was properly of-age to give consent is A+ considering how manga normally works.

Why would you people read something with the BDSM tag if you are THAT against of BDSM? Just read things you enjoy and let other people enjoy this, damm.

I like bdsm which is why I think parts of this story could be made better! I mean at the end of the day, it's just some hot porn but I don't want people to think this what a healthy bdsm relationship is like

I can totally agree, but this story would have to be way longer to be able to show a healthy bdsm. If you want it, just go and read Sunstone (comic).

I agree as well. BDSM is a lot more than what you see Mira depict, lol. Safe words are important, but if you're that concerned my headcanon is that the younger girl is inexperienced and therefore isn't actually following general standard/safety procedures in an ideal scenario, and the time progression is after they've actually looked into what's healthy.

Actually, Eastern-style BDSM doesn't use safewords. And as someone who has practiced BDSM for nearly 2 decades, i find that way actually is better at weeding out the abusers that tend to be harbored by western BDSM. The idea of a safeword is starting to be used as a talisman to avoid responsibility and blame. Jay Wiseman wrote about the problem more than a decade ago, and it still hasn't been fixed.

By talisman, i mean that "did you safeword" has become the BDSM equivalent of "What were you wearing" for rape. "Oh, if you didn't enjoy it, why didn't you safeword?" Things like subspace, endorphin rushes, etc, cause an altered headspace where one CANNOT safeword. And many abusers cause it for the very reason of allowing them to do things like violate limits.

Eastern style BDSM, by nature of lacking that safeword, puts all the responsibility for safety on the dominant. They have to know their sub's triggers, body language, potential mental issues, likes and limits. There's no way of avoiding the responsibility with "oh, if i go too far, the safeword will happen." And the sub has increased responsibility for communication and telling the dominant everything.

In fact, this is a fine, loving example of eastern-style BDSM. Notice how she checks multiple times. Keeps offering outs. Keeps reassuring she can leave any time. When there's confusion, makes it blunt that it is BDSM. Only goes forward when allowed, past the initial rope panties.

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Actually, Eastern-style BDSM doesn't use safewords. And as someone who has practiced BDSM for nearly 2 decades, i find that way actually is better at weeding out the abusers that tend to be harbored by western BDSM. The idea of a safeword is starting to be used as a talisman to avoid responsibility and blame. Jay Wiseman wrote about the problem more than a decade ago, and it still hasn't been fixed.

By talisman, i mean that "did you safeword" has become the BDSM equivalent of "What were you wearing" for rape. "Oh, if you didn't enjoy it, why didn't you safeword?" Things like subspace, endorphin rushes, etc, cause an altered headspace where one CANNOT safeword. And many abusers cause it for the very reason of allowing them to do things like violate limits.

Eastern style BDSM, by nature of lacking that safeword, puts all the responsibility for safety on the dominant. They have to know their sub's triggers, body language, potential mental issues, likes and limits. There's no way of avoiding the responsibility with "oh, if i go too far, the safeword will happen." And the sub has increased responsibility for communication and telling the dominant everything.

In fact, this is a fine, loving example of eastern-style BDSM. Notice how she checks multiple times. Keeps offering outs. Keeps reassuring she can leave any time. When there's confusion, makes it blunt that it is BDSM. Only goes forward when allowed, past the initial rope panties.

This is a great tidbit of information. At least now I know why I've never seen any mention or use of safewords in Eastern mangas. (Kinda weird considering that I am born and raised Asian and even had actual, albeit minimal, contact with BDSM)

Regardless of this discussion of BDSM, this is how to do Age Gap right without the pedo weirdness. Feelings, twinges, etc are natural and you can't choose what you feel. However you can choose how you act on it. Waiting until the younger partner was properly of-age to give consent is A+ considering how manga normally works.

I didn't enjoy it as much as My Daughter's Girlfriend, but this is definitely the best I've felt in a loooooooong time. Thank you again Mira!

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For what it is worth, the phrase "I don't want this" is used repeatedly as a suggested phrase by the M in this situation. It is never explicitly stated that this is a safe phrase, but I think it is fairly obvious that the M would stop given that phrase, so it functions as one.

For what it is worth, the phrase "I don't want this" is used repeatedly as a suggested phrase by the M in this situation. It is never explicitly stated that this is a safe phrase, but I think it is fairly obvious that the M would stop given that phrase, so it functions as one.

Except in this instance, the "safe phrase" came with the threat of there being no relationship once it is said, or at least that's what it sounded like when I read it.

Also that earlier comment about Western BDSM vs. Easter BDSM was very informative. I wasn't aware there was a cultural difference, but that's probably because my interest in BDSM is tied solely to manga.

Also yes, I am responding to a year old comment, what's it to ya?

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Except in this instance, the "safe phrase" came with the threat of there being no relationship once it is said, or at least that's what it sounded like when I read it.

Largely, Ruri (the young dom) was assuming there wouldn't be a relationship or even friendship afterwards, because she expected Momoka would run away and cut her out of her life.

Secondarily, it might be that Ruri feels she needs SM to be happy, in which case the "threat" is simply her own boundaries. "This is what I want, do you agree, (Y/N)?"

Why would you people read something with the BDSM tag if you are THAT against of BDSM? Just read things you enjoy and let other people enjoy this, damm.

I like bdsm which is why I think parts of this story could be made better! I mean at the end of the day, it's just some hot porn but I don't want people to think this what a healthy bdsm relationship is like

I can totally agree, but this story would have to be way longer to be able to show a healthy bdsm. If you want it, just go and read Sunstone (comic).

I agree as well. BDSM is a lot more than what you see Mira depict, lol. Safe words are important, but if you're that concerned my headcanon is that the younger girl is inexperienced and therefore isn't actually following general standard/safety procedures in an ideal scenario, and the time progression is after they've actually looked into what's healthy.

Actually, Eastern-style BDSM doesn't use safewords. And as someone who has practiced BDSM for nearly 2 decades, i find that way actually is better at weeding out the abusers that tend to be harbored by western BDSM. The idea of a safeword is starting to be used as a talisman to avoid responsibility and blame. Jay Wiseman wrote about the problem more than a decade ago, and it still hasn't been fixed.

By talisman, i mean that "did you safeword" has become the BDSM equivalent of "What were you wearing" for rape. "Oh, if you didn't enjoy it, why didn't you safeword?" Things like subspace, endorphin rushes, etc, cause an altered headspace where one CANNOT safeword. And many abusers cause it for the very reason of allowing them to do things like violate limits.

Eastern style BDSM, by nature of lacking that safeword, puts all the responsibility for safety on the dominant. They have to know their sub's triggers, body language, potential mental issues, likes and limits. There's no way of avoiding the responsibility with "oh, if i go too far, the safeword will happen." And the sub has increased responsibility for communication and telling the dominant everything.

In fact, this is a fine, loving example of eastern-style BDSM. Notice how she checks multiple times. Keeps offering outs. Keeps reassuring she can leave any time. When there's confusion, makes it blunt that it is BDSM. Only goes forward when allowed, past the initial rope panties.

holy hell that is such a garbage missinformation about safe words that i heard in my god damn life! like WTF? so how do you STOP? by fucking reading the god damn mind of the Sub? what is this garbage that you try to portray and god damn SAFE WORD that is supposed to STOP the play if something is wrong? and the worst of all you STRECHE the meaning as if it has ANYTHING TO DO WITH ABUSERS?!?!?!? and don’t even bring the idea of subspace and that the majority of people don’t just fall into it as if that is SOMETHING to REMOVE safe words!?!? how does that make NO GOD DAMN SENSE also your totally LYING that Japan doesn't not use safe words!!! i had to Look really hard for this garbage idea you presented

at the end of the god damb day! a safe word is a way to stop the play! THAT’S IT! you can decided to not use it if you wanna go that route! but YOU NEED A WAY TO GOD DAMN STOP! if some one what's to use LITERALLY the word STOP then that is literally in a nutshell what a safe word is! and you literally have no proof that they don’t use no safe word.

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Oh my god, I actually agree with a post from XadarxBlack. Is the world ending or something?

That massive paragraph about "eastern bdsm" and safewords is such complete bullshit it's infuriating. The idea that it's somehow safer for the sub to have no control and leave their safety purely to the dom's prerogative is absolute nonsense. That'll definitely protect people from abusers, just completely removing all safety measures against abuse, what a brilliant idea, why didn't anyone ever think of that before?
And another thing, safewords aren't just for the sub? Doms can use safewords too? Like if they're uncomfortable with what the sub is asking for?
Dumbass.

Cute manga tho.