They could go the Class S route lol & I would hate them forever, of course.

Yagakimi by Kyoani. Last episode: "Everything was just adolescence guys"

last edited at Mar 26, 2018 11:05PM

Yagakimi by Kyoani. Last episode: "Everything was just adolescence guys"

Anime original ending with Touko ending up with Doujima & Yuu with Maki. 10 am news the next morning reports the total destruction of KyoAni studio.

Yagakimi by Kyoani. Last episode: "Everything was just adolescence guys"

Anime original ending with Touko ending up with Doujima & Yuu with Maki. 10 am news the next morning reports the total destruction of KyoAni studio.

A Maki harem with Yuu, Touko, and Sayaka. Throw in some sibling rivalry with Rei-chan.

See, you guys made me hurt my brain, and now bleach won’t wash that imagery away—I’m going to have to go with battery acid.

Shouta, Saikawa, & Kana, respectively. I can't believe you forgot the name of the good girl Kana. This is a crime punishable by death.

Oh yeah, the shota named Shouta... what a subtle pun. About Kana though... I definitely agree. This crime is of the utmost severity. I'll turn myself in within the hour and await my execution...

Yagakimi by Kyoani. Last episode: "Everything was just adolescence guys"

Anime original ending with Touko ending up with Doujima & Yuu with Maki. 10 am news the next morning reports the total destruction of KyoAni studio.

A Maki harem with Yuu, Touko, and Sayaka. Throw in some sibling rivalry with Rei-chan.

See, you guys made me hurt my brain, and now bleach won’t wash that imagery away—I’m going to have to go with battery acid.

What have I begun?! I can no longer live in a world where these things are at all feasible... I'm gonna have to be executed right now, cops.

See, you guys made me hurt my brain, and now bleach won’t wash that imagery away—I’m going to have to go with battery acid.

Maybe tide pods will help

Edit: Holy shiet, I just realized I misspelled Kanna's name. I guess I'll join Minutoh in the execution room.

last edited at Mar 27, 2018 12:36AM

Shouta, Saikawa, & Kana, respectively. I can't believe you forgot the name of the good girl Kana. This is a crime punishable by death.

Oh yeah, the shota named Shouta... what a subtle pun. About Kana though... I definitely agree. This crime is of the utmost severity. I'll turn myself in within the hour and await my execution...

Yagakimi by Kyoani. Last episode: "Everything was just adolescence guys"

Anime original ending with Touko ending up with Doujima & Yuu with Maki. 10 am news the next morning reports the total destruction of KyoAni studio.

A Maki harem with Yuu, Touko, and Sayaka. Throw in some sibling rivalry with Rei-chan.

See, you guys made me hurt my brain, and now bleach won’t wash that imagery away—I’m going to have to go with battery acid.

What have I begun?! I can no longer live in a world where these things are at all feasible... I'm gonna have to be executed right now, cops.

Don't worry KyoAni will just rewrite what you said so it never happened.

Yagakimi by Kyoani. Last episode: "Everything was just adolescence guys"

Anime original ending with Touko ending up with Doujima & Yuu with Maki. 10 am news the next morning reports the total destruction of KyoAni studio.

A Maki harem with Yuu, Touko, and Sayaka. Throw in some sibling rivalry with Rei-chan.

See, you guys made me hurt my brain, and now bleach won’t wash that imagery away—I’m going to have to go with battery acid.

What have I begun?! I can no longer live in a world where these things are at all feasible... I'm gonna have to be executed right now, cops.

Don't worry KyoAni will just rewrite what you said so it never happened.

Wait, this is still just all in our imaginations, right? RIGHT?

[Lies on floor in fetal position, rocking and trembling]: “It’s still just the manga, it’s still just the manga, it’s OK, Nakatani-sensei will protect us, it’s still just the manga . . .”

Chapter 30's raw is out
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5617848472?lp=home_main_thread_pb&mo_device=1&pn=0

Chapter 30's raw is out
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5617848472?lp=home_main_thread_pb&mo_device=1&pn=0

I can't read the dialog but i'm already gonna just sat wow... Can't wait to be able to read it.

Do we know how many acts are in the play? At least two, right?

(I thought I remembered a reference, but it would take me forever to find it, if it's there at all.)

Do we know how many acts are in the play? At least two, right?

(I thought I remembered a reference, but it would take me forever to find it, if it's there at all.)

Pretty sure it has two parts. Remember chapter 22, the first part was over after Touko's character breaks down. Then there was a pause and Ichigaya mentioned Touko's acting wasn't that good in the second half of the script. Then Koyomi and Yuu rewrote the ending, and I assume part two is where Yuu's role got much bigger (what was seen in chapter 26). So yeah, 2 parts.

Do we know how many acts are in the play? At least two, right?

(I thought I remembered a reference, but it would take me forever to find it, if it's there at all.)

Pretty sure it has two parts. Remember chapter 22, the first part was over after Touko's character breaks down. Then there was a pause and Ichigaya mentioned Touko's acting wasn't that good in the second half of the script. Then Koyomi and Yuu rewrote the ending, and I assume part two is where Yuu's role got much bigger (what was seen in chapter 26). So yeah, 2 parts.

Thanks. Clearly there's a turn built into the structure of the play: first Amnesia-chan gathers information about who she used to be, then she decides what to do about it. I just wasn't sure if that Chapter 22 rehearsal break was a "this is a good place to stop until after lunch" deal, or an actual curtain-intermission act break.

Chapter is out on mangadex.

It was great, it's been a while since I've said something meaningful in this thread but I really don't know what else to say... I'm just hoping time flies twice as fast for the next chapter

It was great, it's been a while since I've said something meaningful in this thread but I really don't know what else to say... I'm just hoping time flies twice as fast for the next chapter

It really was and dear god do I want to see the play animated in full.

To be honest, I kinda want to see SHAFT animate it... They're often pretty unique with animation as a medium, and I think their willingness to focus on slow-paced dialogue without feeling the need to make it bombastic and ridiculous would serve this series well.

It's pretty funny that Sayaka was written to be a older girl chasing after a cute high schooler's skirt.

To be honest, I kinda want to see SHAFT animate it... They're often pretty unique with animation as a medium, and I think their willingness to focus on slow-paced dialogue without feeling the need to make it bombastic and ridiculous would serve this series well.

That's the last studio I want to see animate YagaKimi. I love them but they don't know the concept of subtlety.

last edited at Mar 28, 2018 3:12AM

That's the last studio I want to see animate YagaKimi. I love them but they don't know the concept of subtlety.

What makes you say that? I thought they did quite well on some of the first season of Bakemonogatari's talking scenes, although they kinda went a bit bonkers with the following season. I think if they involved Nakatani in an advisory capacity, their willingness to play with animation style might work quite well for adapting her tendency to use visuals as a method to enhance the narrative. Other studios tend to view animation as a pragmatic necessity to communicate visuals of a scene instead of viewing it as a method by which they can amplify characterisation or emotion.

My ideal would obviously be either Ohara Masakazu, the wokest bae, or Tokoro Tomokazu of Haibane Renmei fame, but nobody can have everything.

It just needs someone who's confident enough to allow lingering, contemplative shots which let the characters and dialogue settle into them, as well as someone who can be adventurous when it comes to using audio/animation/etc. as an additional narrative avenue.

Kind of a rare ask in anime these days. Feels like everything is just a brainstorm that's dictated to you via dialogue. The last thing I enjoyed with any kind of complexity was Ga-Rei -Zero-.

I think Shaft's take on this would be fascinating. We already have characters with unsettling personality quirks and flaws, Shaft's creative visual direction could make it even more special than the manga. The Monogatari series's problems are rooted in the novels.

What makes you say that? I thought they did quite well on some of the first season of Bakemonogatari's talking scenes, although they kinda went a bit bonkers with the following season. I think if they involved Nakatani in an advisory capacity, their willingness to play with animation style might work quite well for adapting her tendency to use visuals as a method to enhance the narrative. Other studios tend to view animation as a pragmatic necessity to communicate visuals of a scene instead of viewing it as a method by which they can amplify characterisation or emotion.

The way Shaft uses visuals to communicate ideas is nothing like what this series does. One of YagaKimi's biggest selling points is that it is able to capture emotions and feelings through subtle visual storytelling. You don't see Nakatani puts flower patterns or sparkle effects over the characters' faces to amplify any emotions, its charm is in the slight changes in facial expression, body position, panel composition, character acting, etc. It's very naturalistic in its visual storytelling, not experimental. Giving the Shaft flare would make it a different series, if you ask me. This is why I wish for KyoAni because they are the best studio at more naturalistic subtlety.

The only occasion where I kinda want to see more experimental directing style in this series would probably be with ch 10, specifically Touko's POV. KareKano got me imagining that chap directed by Anno, but that's like an impossible dream, more so than hoping for Shaft or KyoAni or Madhouse to adapt this.

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It just needs someone who's confident enough to allow lingering, contemplative shots which let the characters and dialogue settle into them, as well as someone who can be adventurous when it comes to using audio/animation/etc. as an additional narrative avenue.

Takaharu Ozaki only fully directed one thing so far (GLT). But this sounds like it could be him. I dunno what a YagaKimi by White Fox would be like though.

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The way Shaft uses visuals to communicate ideas is nothing like what this series does. One of YagaKimi's biggest selling points is that it is able to capture emotions and feelings through subtle visual storytelling. You don't see Nakatani puts flower patterns or sparkle effects over the characters' faces to amplify any emotions, its charm is in the slight changes in facial expression, body position, panel composition, character acting, etc. It's very naturalistic in its visual storytelling, not experimental. Giving the Shaft flare would make it a different series, if you ask me. This is why I wish for KyoAni because they are the best studio at more naturalistic subtlety.

I agree with your criticism of having flower patterns and sparkle effects being bad for the narrative, but I also don't connect that criticism with SHAFT. As I've said, I associate Bakemonogatari very positively with understated talking scenes with creative animated flair.

Can you elaborate on some examples, maybe?

I think Shaft's take on this would be fascinating. We already have characters with unsettling personality quirks and flaws, Shaft's creative visual direction could make it even more special than the manga. The Monogatari series's problems are rooted in the novels.

Yeah, I really dislike when otherwise creative visual works are ruined by bad source material. Accel World was such an egregious example of that. Such amazing scene composition and colour usage ruined by necessity of accuracy. :(

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I was thinking of Shaft aswell. I would love if Shaft adapted Yagakimi like 3-Gatsu. I feel like the series are somewhat similar. I also wouldn't mind a more creative approach like the Monogatari Series.

I agree with your criticism of having flower patterns and sparkle effects being bad for the narrative, but I also don't connect that criticism with SHAFT. As I've said, I associate Bakemonogatari very positively with understated talking scenes with creative animated flair.

Can you elaborate on some examples, maybe?

By those, I just mean obvious or overt visual cues/effects. Not specifically saying that Shaft uses flower patterns or sparkle effects. It's been a while since I've seen Bakemonogatari, so I really can't comment on it. The most recent work by Shaft that I do remember is 3gatsu. I'm a fan of that anime, but the directing style is not subtle at all. Lots of zooming into faces/eyes turning as transitions. Sad scenes? Let's make everything blue or grey so everyone knows that it's sad. Happy scenes? Let's make everything super shiny with bubbles & bright warm colors to make everyone knows that it's happy. Characters are anxious? Let's distort their figures so everyone knows that they are not ok. It's very experimental and fun and I enjoy it well, but it's very in-your-face & that may make for an interesting adaptation that totally puts the story in a different light, but for now, I prefer something that really captures the essence of this series & also elevates it with audio/animation, rather than redefines it.

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To be honest, I kinda want to see SHAFT animate it... They're often pretty unique with animation as a medium, and I think their willingness to focus on slow-paced dialogue without feeling the need to make it bombastic and ridiculous would serve this series well.

SHAFT would ruin this show. Absolutely not. The show would come out too dark or they would exaggerate scenes that shouldn't be exaggerated. After seeing what WIT Studio did with "Koi wa Ameagari no You ni", I would love to see their take on this manga.

last edited at Mar 28, 2018 5:08AM

By those, I just mean obvious or overt visual cues/effects. Not specifically saying that Shaft uses flower patterns or sparkle effects. It's been a while since I've seen Bakemonogatari, so I really can't comment on it. The most recent work by Shaft that I do remember is 3gatsu. I'm a fan of that anime, but the directing style is not subtle at all. Lots of zooming into faces/eyes turning as transitions. Sad scenes? Let's make everything blue or grey so everyone knows that it's sad. Happy scenes? Let's make everything super shiny with bubbles & bright warm colors to make everyone knows that it's happy. Characters are anxious? Let's distort their figures so everyone knows that they are not ok. It's very experimental and fun and I enjoy it well, but it's very in-your-face & that may make for an interesting adaptation that totally puts the story in a different light, but for now, I prefer something that really captures the essence of this series & also elevates it with audio/animation, rather than redefines it.

I haven't actually seen 3gatsu, but I saw it was directed by the same person as Bakemonogatari, and there were indeed a few zooms and closeups and such in that. In the same vein, though, there are also quite a few zooms and closeups in YagaKimi, except they're communicated through panels instead of through animation, so they're perhaps easier to gloss over.

Nakatani uses quite a few comparative visual choices herself, including some of the things you complain about: the entire background fading out to plain white with the focus solely on Touko; Yuu flinching at how brightly Touko seems to be sparkling before she kisses her; an extremely ominous few panels zooming in on Touko's expression and her eyes as Yuu wonders what's in them; a cutaway to Maki observing two people interacting on the stage of a play to show his emotional distance. Having her as an advisory presence could bring in SHAFT's creativeness to channel the essence of those scenes, while also avoiding too much of the more abstract elements that I think you're complaining about.

Having said that, though, I have to admit, I don't see anything wrong with their inventive use of colour. Perhaps it's a little overstated in 3gatsu, I couldn't say. But! Ohara Masakazu's use of colour in everything he's directed has been stellar, and I think his willingness to go outside the traditional palette is something I greatly admire about him and his works, especially since they're so closely connected to the tone of the scenes and the intent of the narrative. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of KyoAni as animators in general? I find that, while their anime are often very detailed and realistic, their characters often seem like a surreal platonic ideal of a highschooler, and their soundtracks are almost Key-like in how intent they are at (unsuccessfully) dragging an emotion out of me. It's very jarring for me, personally.

It's like... Everything has to look as close to reality as possible, but their characters also have to adhere to some weird standard of moe banality that leaves them feeling incredibly well-realised but also oddly vacuous in some fundamental, unsettling way. I often feel like KyoAni productions are the visual equivalent of aliens shoving slice-of-life and psychological thriller into a predictive text and transposing that onto their understanding of humanity.

Maybe that's just me! But KyoAni stuff always feels hollow, like it's chasing the nostalgia of a Ghibli film without any feeling behind it. All technical skill and no heart. That's absolutely not what I want for YagaKimi.