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I really wish they would tone down the panty-shots I forgot how jarring it is to read straight dude fanservice.
Yet another het hentai artist poorly trying to make a yuri manga and believing for it to be yuri it needs tone of fanservice between the girls.
But fanservice is a good thing!
That's really a matter of personal taste and the nature of the fanservice. Like the fanservice here is the kind you normally see aimed at straight guys and to be entirely blunt it's kind of nauseating and dehumanizing to me.
The girls seeing other girls' panties and blushing and groping them is good, but the almost obligatory seeming molester scene, especially with him not getting his comeuppance, was not a good choice by the mangaka. I love the goofy club leader and her girlfriend.
Yet another het hentai artist poorly trying to make a yuri manga and believing for it to be yuri it needs tone of fanservice between the girls.
But fanservice is a good thing!
That's really a matter of personal taste and the nature of the fanservice. Like the fanservice here is the kind you normally see aimed at straight guys and to be entirely blunt it's kind of nauseating and dehumanizing to me.
Is like you said, a matter of personal taste so saying that a panty shot is only enjoyable for straight dudes would be yours and not the general rule... Because many girls would say "ooh that's sexy" except for of course (and yeah I will say it again) That train scene which is just dumb because no matter the culture, no one is naive enough to end in that situation twice furthermore that situation won't happen again the next day.
So cheesy and dumb.....
This is awesome!
That's really a matter of personal taste and the nature of the fanservice. Like the fanservice here is the kind you normally see aimed at straight guys and to be entirely blunt it's kind of nauseating and dehumanizing to me.
Pretty sure both (or as many as you want to exist) genders can enjoy that.
That train scene which is just dumb because no matter the culture, no one is naive enough to end in that situation twice furthermore that situation won't happen again the next day.
Well it is obvious something she is going to fight off later to show her character growth.
That train scene which is just dumb because no matter the culture, no one is naive enough to end in that situation twice furthermore that situation won't happen again the next day.
Well it is obvious something she is going to fight off later to show her character growth.
Yeah I hope she takes out a sword and cut his hand at the end.
Yet another het hentai artist poorly trying to make a yuri manga and believing for it to be yuri it needs tone of fanservice between the girls.
But fanservice is a good thing!
That's really a matter of personal taste and the nature of the fanservice. Like the fanservice here is the kind you normally see aimed at straight guys and to be entirely blunt it's kind of nauseating and dehumanizing to me.
Is like you said, a matter of personal taste so saying that a panty shot is only enjoyable for straight dudes would be yours and not the general rule... Because many girls would say "ooh that's sexy" except for of course (and yeah I will say it again) That train scene which is just dumb because no matter the culture, no one is naive enough to end in that situation twice furthermore that situation won't happen again the next day.
That's not what I said at all. What I said is that it is the style of fanservice you see in media aimed at straight men/boys because it IS. It's exactly the kind of thing you see almost exclusively in shounen/seinen ecchi manga. This kind of voyeuristic objectification of teenage girls just is not at all common in yuri that is marketed for women especially not in works that aren't already pornographic.
I try to sympathize with you, first I would have to understand how you think that the ecchi should be handled in yuri aimed to women, but I already have problems if I have to acknowledge that there's fanservice for women and fanservice for men... Like Shoujo Yuri and Shonen Yuri. I don't know if you are the type that thinks "Yuri is beautiful and pure" or maybe you just don't like ecchi at all, I will waste my time trying to read beyond what you said anyway, we think too different from the start. I just like what I see, you can call me pervert (I am, no doubt), that's someone who would enjoy this kind of things, not just straight men, that's my second problem... And my third and last problem is that stupid train scene twice, I'm sure I feel disgusted as much as you do about that one.
I really like the lead knight character. She is just one of those kind of characters I really dig. All noble and determined. The "refusal" scene was a little surprising and super amusing. her love interest, well. I don't care for these kind of characters but I know why they are such constants in fiction in general.
the story is about as typical as can be but I can't say that really bothers me. Fanservice does but that's just me.
As a man myself (more like a young adult but close enough, I guess) I definitely find myself agreeing with majere's assertions. I certainly don't think that yuri is any purer than straight or gay romance, but I definitely do too think that yuri written by women is less pervy and crap than yuri written by men. I mean, just look at all the great works of yuri out there, stuff like Bloom into You, Takemiya Jin's stuff, Morishima Akiko's stuff, Morinaga Milk's stuff, etc. Even when there are nude scenes like that hot tub scene in Bloom into You, they are 1) handled respectfully and 2) actually serve a purpose in the story and are not just thrown in there to fulfill a T&A quota or something. Just compare these things to crap like Valkyrie Drive or Sin Nanatsu no Taizai for God's sake (disclaimer: I could only stand one episode of VD and never watched Sin). Even when it comes to full on porn, I feel that Mira, Ooshima Tomo... that woman who wrote that Miku/Luka Box thing and the devil story all write more realistic, respectful sex scenes than a man ever could (two counterpoints: 1) Mira's debatable, yes. 2) it's not like I have any idea what realistic lesbian sex scenes and, frankly, I'll never know and don't care to know. Well, I guess I kinda to care to know since I always check the Dynasty comments of hentai stuff I read to see how realistic they are... Absurd sex scenes are fine for some people, but, yeah, they ain't for me. I appreciate the little things that let you know that someone legitimately knows their shit and all). I admit that some men do produce good yuri free of fanservice like Fujieda Miyabi, but he's the exception rather than the rule in a world filled with men who view women purely as sex objects... I mean, yeah, I'm probably going too far by claiming that all men who insert fanservice into their works are sexist pigs, but, fuck it, I'm a dude too, and fuck them too. I'm not entirely opposed to fanservice when there's a legitimate reason for it; I was fine with Kill la Kill, for example, just because of how absurd it was. But, yeah, not like this when there are random molestation scenes and panty shots and all that nonsense.
That's not to say that I don't enjoy this series though. It's unique and that's rare these days, the characters are interesting, the combat's a joy to look at... I just wish it had less of this stupid fanservicey stuff.
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Since we are on the topic, did anyone realise that cake made by woman are smoother than cakes made men? It's not like I don't like cakes made by men, I just think that cakes made by women tasted bett..
... yeah as if. Who gives a fk if the maker of a product or author of a manga is black, white, male, female, transgender or in between. If you don't like it, just avoid reading it, and the scanlator will stop translating it when there is not enough interests. Really.
( since it's not like anyone here is paying the mangaka anyway)
The comments in this thread increasingly has became similar to the sort of complaints that deep conservatives had, about how homosexual directors, or actors ruined TV shows for them and wished there are less gay characters in their favourite shows. Heck same argument, many are still claiming that "the pervert homosexuals" tried to insert their fantasy into mainstream entertainment to corrupt the youth too.
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Jesus guys why so serious?
I await more lily knights.
Since we are on the topic, did anyone realise that cake made by woman are smoother than cakes made men? It's not like I don't like cakes made by men, I just think that cakes made by women tasted bett..
... yeah as if. Who gives a fk if the maker of a product or author of a manga is black, white, male, female, transgender or in between. If you don't like it, just avoid reading it, and the scanlator will stop translating it when there is not enough interests. Really.
( since it's not like anyone here is paying the mangaka anyway)The comments in this thread increasingly has became similar to the sort of complaints that deep conservatives had, about how homosexual directors, or actors ruined TV shows for them and wished there are less gay characters in their favourite shows. Heck same argument, many are still claiming that "the pervert homosexuals" tried to insert their fantasy into mainstream entertainment to corrupt the youth too.
God, this ended up being so much longer than I expected it to be... I'm probably derailing this thread so much right now, but at least I can rest assured that I didn't actually start the whole derailment process... I'm still contributing to it though, so I'm still pretty culpable. So, yeah, mods, if you want to remove this or move it to another thread or something, that's fine by me.
I mean, I see your point and all, but this is an entirely different beast. Starting with the cake thing, I mean, how cake tastes comes down to how the baker bakes them and it is certainly not affected by their gender (unless you're being serious about that smoother thing). The presence of fanservice and who it is directed to if it is present is ABSOLUTELY affected by the gender of the writer, however. I admit that I don't really watch/read much female-oriented stuff outside of female-oriented yuri, but I did at least watch Ouran High School Host Club and Kiss Him Not Me. I don't recall Ouran having many female gaze scenes (it's been 2 years since I watched it though, so my memory of it is a bit hazy), and I feel that Kiss Him Not Me actually had more male gaze scenes than female gaze scenes despite (presumably) being directed toward a straight female audience. Well, I guess the yaoi visions would all qualify as female gaze, but they're just that, visions as opposed to the ol' tired "dude falling into a girl's boobs" gag and whatnot. Okay, I'm really getting off track here, but the point is that stuff written by males generally has more fanservice than stuff written by females... I'm not saying that men are misogynistic scumbags or anything, I'm just pointing out that, at least in the land of yuri, that's just how it is. As for things outside of yuri... I have no clue, really, since I don't watch much anime outside of yuri. I think Full Metal Alchemist is written by a woman, and I believe some of the character designs are pretty oversexualized too. Not saying that it's necessarily bad, but, yes, I do know that women can make fanservice-y things too. That said... just compare, like, New Game to Now Loading though. I believe Mikanuji's female, and her stuff has so much less stupid ecchi crap than New Game does (now, if Mikanuji is male, then that invalidates this particular point, but, well, I think the rest is still pretty valid).
I certainly don't have anything against straight dudes since I myself am a straight dude (maybe bi, I'm not quite sure though, but I'll see later in life, I guess) as opposed to all that asshole conservatives who make those arguments. I'm definitely not saying that the straight dudes who write ecchi stuff are trying to "corrupt the youth" or whatever, I'm just saying that 1. I do not like to see it and 2. yuri written by women generally has less of that objectifying stuff (yes, yes, Mira and others exist, but I already discussed them in my first post in this thread anyhow) and, ergo, I like yuri written by women better. Simple as that, I'm not fucking discriminating against anyone like those homophobes are. It's not like movies and TV shows or whatever with LGBT directors are any different from movies and TV shows with straight directors apart from, perhaps, a desire to tackle LGBT issues more, but it's not every single gay director and actor out there automatically must direct or act in gay stuff. Certainly, there are Japanese dudes that do not indulge in pointless ecchi, but the fact remains that MOST OF THEM DO (I'd say that Western stuff, though, is, for the most part, getting better about all this pointless fanservice-y crap).
And, frankly, I feel that the identity of the writer DOES matter if they are writing a story specifically about their identity. I mean, I'm not saying that straight dudes or even straight girls can't write lesbian stuff cause they absolutely can (Greg Rucka does a great job with Batwoman and Renee Montoya, for instance), but I feel like a transgender writer would generally write a better book about transgender people than some straight person. It's not like you see white people writing books about the black experience in America too often, do you? It's not like how a cake tastes depends at all on the identity of the cook... well, I guess it might since a black cook and an Asian cook might use different ingredients or something. I don't know anything about cooking, but I'd imagine that everyone just follows the set recipes? I mean, even if they don't, this is a completely different topic in my eyes. That's my opinion, at least, and it's certainly a moot point, but it's what I firmly stand by anyway.
And I'd like to point out again that I never once said that I don't like this thing. In fact, I freaking love it. I love to see unique yuri, and this sure is unique yuri. Relationships with that one heartthrob ladykiller or whatever and then that other girl are wonderful (though the other girl in this particular thing could stand to be much more assertive). The art's great, the writing's funny and clever, the combat actually seems to be pretty well-done, and, whaddya know, the girls wear ACTUAL, LEGITIMATE KNIGHT ARMOR. Except when they aren't, which is the only issue I have with it. I mean, if I like something enough, I can look past stupid ecchi crap, and I do like this enough to look past it, but it's still frankly just a waste of space and a waste of time. Okay, maybe not in this particular chapter when the fanservice only occupies like 3 panels at most, but, I mean, some anime devote entire episodes to freaking beach episodes and I have to wonder... is that really necessary??
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Woah, I really didn't wanna step in because surprisingly enough given the type of conversation things were pretty civil, but I think a Wall O' Text (tm) this extensive is is a derail too far.
I'm going to have to ask you fine folks to continue your conversation outside of this threat, at least in the interest of avoiding further clutter.
...seems like Lady Plum Shingyoji Long Croissant died and went to heaven.
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...seems like
Lady PlumShingyojiLong Croissant died and went to heaven.
Wait, if that's what heaven looks like, then she really went without regrets
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Since we are on the topic, did anyone realise that cake made by woman are smoother than cakes made men? It's not like I don't like cakes made by men, I just think that cakes made by women tasted bett..
... yeah as if.
I genuinely believed you. Thinking, 'that's odd. I wonder what the reason must be.'
Lords above, i am gullable.
I hope we get to focus more on knight-chan and her princess. Espescially the more docile of the two who seems a molestation recipient and little else at present. The knight has her character fleshed out so hopefully, at school, we get to see more of the other.
More chivalry, less... Groping. Please.
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chapter 4 where?
OMG isn't that µ's? :D
Yep! Looks lile Nozomi, Eli, Rin and Honoka! :)