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Heres%20wakasa
joined Jul 28, 2016

Disgusting. Not only does this insult You's character by portraying her as a cheap person who sleeps with some random girls, it also insults Love Live as a series by using a non-existent characters in a supposedly derivative work.
If this had a random boy instead, you'd all be screaming that it was "hetshit" and whatnot...

Heh, I can't deny that I would see this as hetshit or whatnot if she actually was sleeping around with some random dudes... but, you know, since she's sleeping around with some random girls instead, it's all good. I think calling it an insult to You as a character and the entire series is going a bit too far though. People can interpret characters however they want; even if their interpretation really makes zero sense, it's their own interpretation and there's hardly a need to be so outraged over it. Pito clearly loves Love Live, and she (I believe?) is by no means insulting the series by portraying You in this manner. Honestly, I never watched Love Live myself, so I don't really know how outlandish this interpretation of You is, but, well, it makes for an interesting read and that's really all that matters to me.

Sorry if this doesn't really make any sense, it's 2 AM here and I really should be going to sleep right about now... oh well...

(Italics mine.) One example of trans yuri. Mermaid Line chs. 6 and 7. I, at least, think it's really good. (And oh yeah, I kind of liked the chapter under discussion too.)

Thanks for recommending that series! Ch 6 and 7 (plus the others) were all fantastic; it's a shame that there ain't more yuri out there from this author, but, oh well, what can you do...

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joined Mar 23, 2014

4/10 needs more You's abs

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Saki.-.the.player.full.1418900
joined Mar 21, 2015

"but, you know, since she's sleeping around with some random girls instead, it's all good."
Nice double standards. If you think faceless generic female is good, then by the same logic a faceless generic male is also good, unless of course you have some weird bias going on, like the "females are more pure" bullshit...

"I think what you meant was that you feel insulted by this."
Uh no, you're wrong. I mean exactly what I said, that this work is disrespectful to the series and character in question.

Faceless generic non-character garbage (and by this I mean they have 0 worth artistically as far as a derivative work is concerned) shouldn't be accepted here. This comic being here just shows how inconsistent Dynasty is when it comes to the quality of works.

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A2bcf11834a1918b3f09b4219b2a099f_r
joined Aug 16, 2014

I mean exactly what I said, that this work is disrespectful to the series and character in question.

Yeah, love, I'm sure all those poor fictional characters are deeply offended by how they're being portraited in fanmedia.

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Rosmontis
Nevrilicious Scans
joined Jun 5, 2015

nyanya posted:

unless of course you have some weird bias going on, like the "females are more pure" bullshit...

Nah. It is simple yuri makes everything better.

Happy%20face
joined Oct 12, 2016

Good yuri. I'm a sucker for disaffected girls pursuing age gap.

Nice double standards. If you think faceless generic female is good, then by the same logic a faceless generic male is also good, unless of course you have some weird bias going on, like the "females are more pure" bullshit...

I appreciate that you're applying your healthy and not weird slut-shaming bias towards any fan work, regardless of the genders of the sluts in question. Look forward to seeing you bring the hammer down on all dynasty's promiscuous girls, and presumably not just the transgender ones.

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joined Jun 14, 2016

Disgusting. Not only does this insult You's character by portraying her as a cheap person who sleeps with some random girls, it also insults Love Live as a series by using a non-existent characters in a supposedly derivative work.
If this had a random boy instead, you'd all be screaming that it was "hetshit" and whatnot...

I think what you meant was that you feel insulted by this.

Saki.-.the.player.full.1418900
joined Mar 21, 2015

I mean exactly what I said, that this work is disrespectful to the series and character in question.

Yeah, love, I'm sure all those poor fictional characters are deeply offended by how they're being portraited in fanmedia.

What does this have to do with fictional characters being offended?
It's a fact that you're insulting something and that's precisely what I'm saying. Seems like you're admitting to being ok with it and in that case, I don't need to speak with you anymore since I'm actually not judging. Just remember that facts don't change just because of what you think.

Saki.-.the.player.full.1418900
joined Mar 21, 2015

Good yuri. I'm a sucker for disaffected girls pursuing age gap.

Nice double standards. If you think faceless generic female is good, then by the same logic a faceless generic male is also good, unless of course you have some weird bias going on, like the "females are more pure" bullshit...

I appreciate that you're applying your healthy and not weird slut-shaming bias towards any fan work, regardless of the genders of the sluts in question. Look forward to seeing you bring the hammer down on all dynasty's promiscuous girls, and presumably not just the transgender ones.

This has nothing to do with slut shaming, it's about portraying a character and a series as something that they aren't. It's also about quality standards (dynasty's).
Don't bring morality to this discussion please.

nyanya posted:

unless of course you have some weird bias going on, like the "females are more pure" bullshit...

Nah. It is simple yuri makes everything better.

This isn't even yuri... But even if it was, I'd love to hear you explain that in a rational and consistent way.

A2bcf11834a1918b3f09b4219b2a099f_r
joined Aug 16, 2014

Sorry I didn't recognize you, dear.

It's also about quality standards (dynasty's).

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

joined Jun 14, 2016

If Dynasty had any sort of quality standards they would ban 90% of the forum and it's posts

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Hinataskype
joined May 26, 2011

Guys, you heard it here first, you can't make fan content if it's not 100% canon to the series. delete all doujins except some of the touhou ones.

drpepperfan Admin
Ss%20(2018-09-18%20at%2004.40.05)
joined Oct 12, 2010

Now now, let's try not to get into this again. Try to keep discussion on this subject to a absolute minimum please.

last edited at Apr 14, 2017 2:47AM

Omochikaeri_thumb
joined Nov 2, 2013

Guys, you heard it here first, you can't make fan content if it's not 100% canon to the series. delete all doujins except some of the touhou ones.

Oh boy! Now we can delete any doujin that I dont agree with!

Saki.-.the.player.full.1418900
joined Mar 21, 2015

I guess it's time to bring all the doujins with faceless males raping girls from yuri series to Dynasty then.
Because the concept of quality of derivative works doesn't actually exist right?

Heres%20wakasa
joined Jul 28, 2016

"but, you know, since she's sleeping around with some random girls instead, it's all good."
Nice double standards. If you think faceless generic female is good, then by the same logic a faceless generic male is also good, unless of course you have some weird bias going on, like the "females are more pure" bullshit...

I agree that the "females are more pure" argument is pure bullshit, and I also agree that my weird bias is a pretty bad double standard. I'm still not really sure why I'm okay with certain things like these (and more innocent things such as kabedons) when it ain't a male that's involved/"taking the lead" or whatnot, but I'd say it's more because I hate male characters than because I view women as being all pure and innocent. Well, I could get into this more, but I don't want this thread to be any more clogged up than it already is...

I guess it's time to bring all the doujins with faceless males raping girls from yuri series to Dynasty then.
Because the concept of quality of derivative works doesn't actually exist right?

As much as I love this place, I must say that plenty of the doujins on here are completely horrible. By completely horrible, I mean they range from, well, just not good but, admittedly, with good intentions at heart to just ridiculously disturbing and awful. I haven't been brave enough to read any of SOFTCHARM's or John K Peta's "works of art" yet, but, well, the point is that I don't think the people in charge of uploading stuff to Dynasty ever really cared about this concept anyway. They just upload whatever they want, which is why we have some het stuff here too like 14-sai no Koi (that's probably not the best example, but there are definitely some others that I forgot about). Not saying that's bad, of course... it's their site, after all, so they can do what they will with it. That kind of stuff... I'd presume that the staff would not want that kind of stuff on this site, so they simply don't upload it onto this site. Of course, my assumptions might be and probably am completely wrong or at least really poorly worded, so I apologize in advance if they are wrong and offend anyone in the staff.

Addressing this piece in particular, I'd say that this at least has more "artistic merit" than any of those kinds of doujins. I mean, let's just take a look at the facts: 1 - none of the characters are sexualized at all. You barely even see anything during the sex scene and it's handled fairly tamely, at least in my opinion. 2 - Well, it actually has a story with a well-defined conflict and some fairly philosophical things (of course, that's subjective). Personally, I thought You's thoughts on the lack of afterglow after her first time, so to speak, were fairly well done. Yeah, whether something has artistic merit is all subjective in the end, but I can state with confidence that this work definitely has more artistic merit than any of those pieces of trash.

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joined Sep 30, 2016

the author needs to cut off the head and that who adds anything of shit on this website

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Rosmontis
Nevrilicious Scans
joined Jun 5, 2015

Minutoh don't argue with him, it is our dynasty Troll-kun next alternative account. There is no reasoning with this guy.

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joined Apr 4, 2014

Slept in what did I miss?

Damn this was nice You is slowly becoming one of my favourites in LL. Thanks to the translators and Pito. Can't wait for more

Blyat
joined Sep 12, 2012

I guess it's time to bring all the doujins with faceless males raping girls from yuri series to Dynasty then.
Because the concept of quality of derivative works doesn't actually exist right?

What you describe isn't yuri, this one is. Dynasty is yuri centered so faceless men doujins won't be uploaded here. Not because they're bad or anything, but because they're not what this site is about. I don't think anyone should be in a position to mandate what porn or lewd stories or whatever people like reading.

If you find the quality not to your tastes you should just ignore it. Others might like it. As such, you not liking it is no grounds for having it deleted from the site.

How about we started minding our own business for a change. Would solve many problems.

Setsuko2
joined Jan 20, 2014

I think this site should use the tags to categorize content, and not political correctness.
you know... cuz tags are used for people who LOOK for things in uploads and searches.
Like, Some might look for yuri, but are not interested in stories with transgenderd characters.

Transgender and Yuri tags separate.... and Futanari too ofc (I am not sure about this case specifically, dont know what the artist actually said.).

Have a tag for transgender who identify as women and are attracted to women/in a relationship with.... something like... Transgender-Yuri ? idk, just spitballing here.

lol why would they need a tag with transgender and yuri combined when they can just...add them both to the story XD

either way, i kinda liked it. i don't read any of the original stuff so i have the freedom to have no clue on the accuracy on the character's portrayal lol, and therefore am free to enjoy it as it is lol.

Saki.-.the.player.full.1418900
joined Mar 21, 2015

Minutoh don't argue with him, it is our dynasty Troll-kun next alternative account. There is no reasoning with this guy.

You're wrong. Even IF you were right, that's ad hominem. Please stop.

@Minutoh
"1 - none of the characters are sexualized at all." and "2 - Well, it actually has a story with a well-defined conflict and some fairly philosophical things (of course, that's subjective)."
I agree, those points are the saving grace of this work.

But remember, you and everyone else, that all I'm saying is that "Character A is being depicted doing things that were never implied in the original and those things are of a morally questionable nature" and "The work in question also uses an original character that is in no way related to the source material". These are facts and don't change regardless of what you think.

Swap!-min-min
joined Jan 13, 2017

So that's why this thread has over 80 comments.

Happy%20face
joined Oct 12, 2016

Minutoh don't argue with him, it is our dynasty Troll-kun next alternative account. There is no reasoning with this guy.

You're wrong. Even IF you were right, that's ad hominem. Please stop.

But remember, you and everyone else, that all I'm saying is that "Character A is being depicted doing things that were never implied in the original and those things are of a morally questionable nature"

This has nothing to do with slut shaming, it's about portraying a character and a series as something that they aren't. It's also about quality standards (dynasty's).
Don't bring morality to this discussion please.

Yeah...def not trolling...

joined Jun 17, 2014

Didn't you see you boobs?! oh come on

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