Kuroko's outfit is sick this arc, I don't think she normally wears heels, so if she doesn't stab someone with them I will be very upset.

I agree, her outfit is quite sick.

where were you when Murcielago became One Punch no Riddle.

^ HAHAHAHA!!! I know right!?

Also is it just me or have I been noticing more beefy hot chicks lately everywhere I go? Like DAMN! I'm sucker for hot, strong women.

I share the sentiments of others that found Kuroko's action's in School Destruction to have been vile enough to damage my "connection" to her (as well as, IMO, out of character for her). I had to think for a bit on why that is, given the way this manga works and what we know about her. Here's how I explain it.

Up until that point, we never saw Kuroko take deliberate (as opposed to negligent) action to murder someone who wasn't a serious direct threat to her life or safety. Basically, the "big bad" of each arc, with outsized superpowers who absolutely was attempting to kill her at the same time. Under no circumstances can you say that three schoolgirls with baseball bats posed any kind of threat to Kuroko. Her role, by the "rules" of the story, is to execute those that the state is unprepared and unable to handle. No matter how awful the delinquent girls were, as terrible as what they did to Minako was, the state is capable of dealing with normal human battery and sexual abuse.

Even if she wished to mete out some measure of vigilante justice, it's hard to argue that brutal execution is the fit punishment for that crime. And, aside from the umbrella violation which was gross and unnecessary, she also is a participant in the rape of Fuuri by Minako. Even if Murcielago is an "eye for an eye" world, as someone else said, there is a particular resonance behind sexual violation that is not generally there for people watching cartoonishly gory violence. It really damages my ability to sympathize with or support Kuroko (choosing my words carefully here, because, as noted, she is not a hero or a good person even if she can behave in good ways and is the protagonist).

The fact that Kuroko's backstory is that she killed 715 people on her way to death row is largely irrelevant - it's a meaningless number thrown out to aid us in understanding early on that "this is a bad woman." We relate to the character's actions that we see, as they unfold, not to that number. A lot of the aspects of this manga are ridiculously exaggerated, to enjoy it you just have to accept that here it's possible for someone to be fifteen feet tall or a butter knife can cut bone or a 9-year-old girl can leap in the air and execute a man on a moving rollercoaster. It's why as problematic as I find Rinko and that story to be, I can grudgingly accept it by this manga's standards. I have a much harder time with the School Destruction happenings.

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Urara is so precious~

im...IM IN LOVE! <3 Urara is great. first jasper now this, im beginning to think i have a new fetish for bara girls

I need people like Urara or Kuu in my life, even if they are killers and wanted...

I hope Chiyo-chan makes up with Kuu-chan, and wow, what an innocent looking criminal ouo.

Murcielago > whatever else yuri sh*t I've seen, srsly I friggin need more yuri like this it just works amazingly

Murcielago is not yuri.

It's a gory horror manga with some yuri in it.

I would say it's a gory horror yuri manga, considering how much lesbianism is front and center in it.

I can't really call this yuri.

Just ask yourself the question: would the story be different if the MC was a man?

My answer is no. We just would have het sex scenes instead of lesbian sex scenes.

That logic could be applicable to anything with lesbian sex scenes and a female MC. O_o Yuri's just girl-on-girl, isn't it?

Murcielago > whatever else yuri sh*t I've seen, srsly I friggin need more yuri like this it just works amazingly

Murcielago is not yuri.

It's a gory horror manga with some yuri in it.

I would say it's a gory horror yuri manga, considering how much lesbianism is front and center in it.

I can't really call this yuri.

Just ask yourself the question: would the story be different if the MC was a man?

My answer is no. We just would have het sex scenes instead of lesbian sex scenes.

That logic could be applicable to anything with lesbian sex scenes and a female MC. O_o Yuri's just girl-on-girl, isn't it?

I guess the person is implying that for something to be of the Yuri genre, it would have to be something that's geared to an audience looking for girl-on-girl related-stuff, meaning the fact that Yuri-stuff is incidental to Murcielago, it shouldn't be considered "Yuri."

I don't really agree with this though, but I guess we all define things differently.

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Gotta say, I'm glad Jasper from Steven Universe is doing well working as a bartender.

I guess the person is implying that for something to be of the Yuri genre, it would have to be something that's geared to an audience looking for girl-on-girl related-stuff, meaning the fact that Yuri-stuff is incidental to Murcielago, it shouldn't be considered "Yuri."

I don't really agree with this though, but I guess we all define things differently.

I think that's what the first responder was implying, but not the second. I think the second was referring to the frequent criticism of a particular way of writing female action characters as basically "men with boobs." That is, the author gives them all of the behaviors, vices, strengths, weaknesses, and so on of a male hero, but the form of a sexy woman. Oftentimes she's the token "girl who's as good as the boys" on an otherwise all-male team.

In this case I kinda think the critcism fits - Kuroko lusts after and approaches women sexually in a way that is utterly unrealistic for women to do, and of course has an affinity for causing pain and violence that is also very atypical for women. She behaves in almost every way like a male character in her role would. She's also physically imposing and, of course, by virtue of her pathology, devoid of any of the emotional traits that are often associated with female characters.

But of course, under no circumstances can you pretend this story is striving for anything like realism. Did the Kuroko character have to be a woman? No. Would anything really have changed if she were a man? Other than the Virginal Rose arc, no. Does it matter? Not especially. The artist wanted to draw lesbian sex, and that's just fine with me. :)

Even if this would totally be unrelated to the story and maybe out of character for Kuu, I want her to woe Chiyo back then they have make up sex or smth haha bring back my unconventional otp ;∆;

best series

http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/murcielago_ch45#4
Anybody noticed the Mini-Hinako in the Aquarium?
They are everywhere!

I guess the person is implying that for something to be of the Yuri genre, it would have to be something that's geared to an audience looking for girl-on-girl related-stuff, meaning the fact that Yuri-stuff is incidental to Murcielago, it shouldn't be considered "Yuri."

I don't really agree with this though, but I guess we all define things differently.

I think that's what the first responder was implying, but not the second. I think the second was referring to the frequent criticism of a particular way of writing female action characters as basically "men with boobs." That is, the author gives them all of the behaviors, vices, strengths, weaknesses, and so on of a male hero, but the form of a sexy woman. Oftentimes she's the token "girl who's as good as the boys" on an otherwise all-male team.

In this case I kinda think the critcism fits - Kuroko lusts after and approaches women sexually in a way that is utterly unrealistic for women to do, and of course has an affinity for causing pain and violence that is also very atypical for women. She behaves in almost every way like a male character in her role would. She's also physically imposing and, of course, by virtue of her pathology, devoid of any of the emotional traits that are often associated with female characters.

But of course, under no circumstances can you pretend this story is striving for anything like realism. Did the Kuroko character have to be a woman? No. Would anything really have changed if she were a man? Other than the Virginal Rose arc, no. Does it matter? Not especially. The artist wanted to draw lesbian sex, and that's just fine with me. :)

Somehow I was thinking of an opposite.

To me, a good yuri series is the one that is still good regardless whether the main character is male or female. If she is a lesbian however, it will just add onto the experience.

Like Gunsmith Cats. Really enjoy it, and I'm pretty sure Rally is one :D

http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/murcielago_ch45#4
Anybody noticed the Mini-Hinako in the Aquarium?
They are everywhere!

Lol I didn't notice that. Good eye.

Murcielago > whatever else yuri sh*t I've seen, srsly I friggin need more yuri like this it just works amazingly

Murcielago is not yuri.

It's a gory horror manga with some yuri in it.

I would say it's a gory horror yuri manga, considering how much lesbianism is front and center in it.

I can't really call this yuri.

Just ask yourself the question: would the story be different if the MC was a man?

My answer is no. We just would have het sex scenes instead of lesbian sex scenes.

So you're saying just because it has gory horror in and not the usual school girls love, it's not yuri? Are you really that close minded...

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I need a damn anime for this!!

Tamahime posted:

I think that's what the first responder was implying, but not the second. I think the second was referring to the frequent criticism of a particular way of writing female action characters as basically "men with boobs." That is, the author gives them all of the behaviors, vices, strengths, weaknesses, and so on of a male hero, but the form of a sexy woman. Oftentimes she's the token "girl who's as good as the boys" on an otherwise all-male team.

Most of the time they can be easily applicable to both male and female protagonist though. I guess it is more that the fact she is a women is irrelevant. I mean she not only act as men but is also by all means and purposes treated as men during entire story. I get the point though.

In this case I kinda think the critcism fits - Kuroko lusts after and approaches women sexually in a way that is utterly unrealistic for women to do, and of course has an affinity for causing pain and violence that is also very atypical for women. She behaves in almost every way like a male character in her role would. She's also physically imposing and, of course, by virtue of her pathology, devoid of any of the emotional traits that are often associated with female characters.

Ok, now I see some bias her. So women can't openly assault other women, act cruel and in general be pretty void of empathy? So just because that is commonly associated with women every single fictional female character has to have those traits or she is just a "man with boobs"? Also you kinda ruined your entire argument mentioning the fact Kuroko is a psycho. So even if she originally had any of those "women's traits" because she was born with them impaired, her behavior makes perfect sense (ignoring the fact she just could be heartless bitch). Also women can't be tail, well build or intimidating? Again we are basing that whole "how should women look/act" on very narrow and specific criteria.

I think the people who are saying that if Kuroko was a man everything would be the same is opening the doors for very unfortunate implications.

So, based on what some of you say because of how Kuroko acts, does that mean we should see butch lesbians as man then? Because in case some of you didn't notice yet, Kuroko is basically a butch lesbian, and like a lot of them she acts somewhat masculine, but she's still pretty feminine, but a lot of real life butch lesbians not only act like a man or at least masculine, but also look like a man or androgynous, so by your guys logic, should we assume that if their girlfriends had a relationship with a man it would be the exact same thing because the butch doesn't "act like a woman"?

Cause really guys, those comments sound more and more really sexist, which is funny because Kuroko is not the first lesbian in manga to act like that, although not as extreme because she didn't try to sleep with all the girls she met, Haruka from Sailor Moon was basically like Kuroko, she flirted with a lot of girls, she not only dressed masculine sometimes, but people even thought she was a man sometimes, so the fact that she was Sailor Uranus aside, should we say that if she was a man it would be all the same thing?

Like I said, really unfortunate implications your guys posts are giving...

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In this case I kinda think the critcism fits - Kuroko lusts after and approaches women sexually in a way that is utterly unrealistic for women to do, and of course has an affinity for causing pain and violence that is also very atypical for women. She behaves in almost every way like a male character in her role would. She's also physically imposing and, of course, by virtue of her pathology, devoid of any of the emotional traits that are often associated with female characters.

What
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Kuroko doesnt fit the "typical" woman?

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I guess the person is implying that for something to be of the Yuri genre, it would have to be something that's geared to an audience looking for girl-on-girl related-stuff, meaning the fact that Yuri-stuff is incidental to Murcielago, it shouldn't be considered "Yuri."

I don't really agree with this though, but I guess we all define things differently.

I think that's what the first responder was implying, but not the second. I think the second was referring to the frequent criticism of a particular way of writing female action characters as basically "men with boobs." That is, the author gives them all of the behaviors, vices, strengths, weaknesses, and so on of a male hero, but the form of a sexy woman. Oftentimes she's the token "girl who's as good as the boys" on an otherwise all-male team.

In this case I kinda think the critcism fits - Kuroko lusts after and approaches women sexually in a way that is utterly unrealistic for women to do, and of course has an affinity for causing pain and violence that is also very atypical for women. She behaves in almost every way like a male character in her role would. She's also physically imposing and, of course, by virtue of her pathology, devoid of any of the emotional traits that are often associated with female characters.

But of course, under no circumstances can you pretend this story is striving for anything like realism. Did the Kuroko character have to be a woman? No. Would anything really have changed if she were a man? Other than the Virginal Rose arc, no. Does it matter? Not especially. The artist wanted to draw lesbian sex, and that's just fine with me. :)

This is a very narrow minded way of looking at things. Basic human emotions and morals (or lack of) are not exclusive to any one group of people.

Trying to define a character like Kuroko, who can be a ruthless butcher or a goofy homemaker depending on the page, by some supposed measures of masculinity or femininity is downright comical.

So women can't openly assault other women, act cruel and in general be pretty void of empathy? So just because that is commonly associated with women every single fictional female character has to have those traits or she is just a "man with boobs"? Also you kinda ruined your entire argument mentioning the fact Kuroko is a psycho. So even if she originally had any of those "women's traits" because she was born with them impaired, her behavior makes perfect sense (ignoring the fact she just could be heartless bitch). Also women can't be tail, well build or intimidating? Again we are basing that whole "how should women look/act" on very narrow and specific criteria.

No. Taken independently, any one trait can of course be found in men and women, we're a big rainbow. I never said she couldn't or shouldn't be any of the things that she is. But the more things that stack up away from relatable behaviors/traits for women, the less relevant it becomes outside of sexual characteristics that she is a woman. This isn't an argument I'm making, I'm just referencing a common feminist criticism of entertainment media.

Kuroko is basically a butch lesbian

Kuroko has no real-life analogue. If any of you know someone like Kuroko... um... run?

Cause really guys, those comments sound more and more really sexist, which is funny because Kuroko is not the first lesbian in manga to act like that, although not as extreme because she didn't try to sleep with all the girls she met, Haruka from Sailor Moon was basically like Kuroko, she flirted with a lot of girls, she not only dressed masculine sometimes, but people even thought she was a man sometimes, so the fact that she was Sailor Uranus aside, should we say that if she was a man it would be all the same thing?

"Flirting" is a very generous way of characterizing how Kuroko acts toward women. And of course she's not the first character to act that way - that's why there's a whole body of thought around the ways that women are characterized in male-oriented movies/tv/comics. No one's saying she "is a man," and it has nothing to do with being masculine or butch, it's about the author either not being able to write women very well, or choosing a rather pandering approach to writing a woman. I'm not sure it matters as more than an intellectual exercise here - it's not that she should be a man or that it's bad that she's a woman, just that when you examine it it's not really relevant to the story.

This is a very narrow minded way of looking at things. Basic human emotions and morals (or lack of) are not exclusive to any one group of people. Trying to define a character like Kuroko, who can be a ruthless butcher or a goofy homemaker depending on the page, by some supposed measures of masculinity or femininity is downright comical.

Again, it's not about whether it's bad or good. The author is free to create whatever kind of character he wants, and if in his story he wants to write about a 6'3" I-cup woman who has remorselessly killed hundreds of people, is utterly emotionless and unflappable in every circumstance, and perceives all beautiful women as sex objects to be lusted after and conquered... well, that's his right. Is that character even remotely realistic? No. I don't personally care, I like the story anyway, it is viscerally satisfying to some very base instincts and is a fun change of pace from standard yuri tropes.

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