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Copy%20of%20corn%20thief%20maki%20maki%201
joined Jun 17, 2014

Cripes, did you take your jerk pills today, Thiaguinho-sama? You seem to be having fun being nasty over something nobody said. I didn't say Female Only solely meant porn. Nor did anyone else. So calm the hell down. Although your overreaction to the conversation about it seems a good enough reason to oppose it. It's not amusing either, which is the advantage of the current tag or Missing Y Chromosome.

As to usage, Chantelune's observation seems pretty accurate, and I'd go further to say it likely should be reserved for series with decent sized casts that are entirely female. Which would apply really well to New Game and Yuri Yuri, which are all-girl ensemble stories which make it very clear there aren't and won't be any boys involved.

damn nez chill he was just explaining stuff, what part sounded like a jerk? why are we arguing about this anyways. don't take this too seriously.
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67763073_p3
joined Dec 18, 2013

Why WAS the tag renamed to this anyways?

12343
joined Jan 8, 2016

Because thats not how biology works

Dark_Tzitzimine
67763073_p3
joined Dec 18, 2013

That is a stupid reason then.

Roomfortwo
joined Feb 11, 2014

People can get overly serious about the oddest things.

joined Oct 12, 2013

You can't tell me how seriously to take things!

4f51117132779849a26d7739f9e4a595
joined Oct 28, 2015

In my opinion, the presence of men only matters if there is het coupling, which we already have the het tag for. But, if there was a need for the tag, I do think that something along the lines of "Females Only" would be easier to understand, particularly for newcomers. I think that "404" is amusing, but isn't the point of a tag system to help what people are looking for as accessible as possible? Just sayin' s'all...

I also think that the link between mentioning the Y chromosome and the 50% chance that if one's mother is a carrier of the autism gene that one will inherit autism, or the 100% chance that one will inherit the gene if their mother is autistic (providing that it is a simple sexually inherited trait at all, as I do not know for sure) is a bit of a long bow to draw.

Anyway, that's my two cents on the topic (^-^)

Thevoid
joined Nov 13, 2015

I also think that the link between mentioning the Y chromosome and the 50% chance that if one's mother is a carrier of the autism gene that one will inherit autism, or the 100% chance that one will inherit the gene if their mother is autistic (providing that it is a simple sexually inherited trait at all, as I do not know for sure) is a bit of a long bow to draw.

Autism is not always genetic (it can be the result of a mutation or miscarriage as well), but it certainly can be. And for the record, autism can be inherited by either parent, not just the mother. I got it from my father, as did both of my half siblings (my sister got high-functioning autism like me, but my brother's was a bit more severe, though still not very inhibiting). Although we were lucky enough to inherit both his autism and his high intelligence, I also know other people who were not so fortunate.

12343
joined Jan 8, 2016

That is a stupid reason then.

Looking stupid forever doesn't seem like a stupid reason, nevermind that I would never have thought of this as a TAG

By the by, to the people dedicated to step on the landmine called females only, I wanna see you tell them to tag all stories that contain male-as-female cross-dressing with Yuri and/or Females only

67763073_p3
joined Dec 18, 2013

Why? Cross Dressing is a completely thing different to what this tag is supposed to represent, the total absence of males in the setting.

And c'mon, since when being biologically accurate has mattered for mangakas? If we're being THAT accurate then Science Babies should be renamed as well.

Rosmontis
Nevrilicious Scans
joined Jun 5, 2015

Nezchan posted:

You seem to be having fun being nasty over something nobody said. I didn't say Female Only solely meant porn.

Oh really?

Nezchan posted:

...but that's such a hentai tag >_<

That is exactly where I took it from. It does it job well though. Also as if Dynasty wasn't full of hentai tags already ;x

Which works until you realize that most of the stuff tagged with it isn't porn at all. Yuru Yuri, New Game, and so forth.

Try harder next time.

Also I'm pretty sure insulting or being aggressive toward other users is against rules, so I expect you to edit your post.

Nezchan posted:

As to usage, Chantelune's observation seems pretty accurate, and I'd go further to say it likely should be reserved for series with decent sized casts that are entirely female. Which would apply really well to New Game and Yuri Yuri, which are all-girl ensemble stories which make it very clear there aren't and won't be any boys involved.

On hentai sites, everything that has no males whatsoever is tagged with this kind of tag. If we are not going to use it for all series that has no male characters and only for those longer series with bigger female cast, the question should be if we need that tag at all or if at least it should be described (and named) better.

On topic of descriptions, one of reasons I agree the tag needed to be change, was because it wasn't clear on first glance. At least it has description (I'm pretty sure though it had none before, but maybe I remember wrong), but some tags, that tells you nothing if you didn't know what they mean before, doesn't. Like Ahegao (which is such perfect hentai tag). Sure, you can go into description, but as I said, the main idea of tag is to make searching for stuff easier and more intuitive.

I don't mind joke/reference tags and I have to say parodying error 404 was clever, but one the end of the day this is what matter the most:

GUMI is life posted:

I do think that something along the lines of "Females Only" would be easier to understand, particularly for newcomers. I think that "404" is amusing, but isn't the point of a tag system to help what people are looking for as accessible as possible? Just sayin' s'all...

Also on note of old tag name:

GUMI is life posted:

I also think that the link between mentioning the Y chromosome and the 50% chance that if one's mother is a carrier of the autism gene that one will inherit autism, or the 100% chance that one will inherit the gene if their mother is autistic (providing that it is a simple sexually inherited trait at all, as I do not know for sure) is a bit of a long bow to draw.

I have no idea what chances of getting autism has to do with anything too. If you have 2 X chromosomes you are a girl. If you have 1 X and 1 Y, you are a boy. So if Y chromosome is missing, then by all means, you get only females character.

Ratte posted:

By the by, to the people dedicated to step on the landmine called females only, I wanna see you tell them to tag all stories that contain male-as-female cross-dressing with Yuri and/or Females only

And what it has to do with anything? If someone is cross-dressing in some story, by definition it has at least 1 male in it, and if you are trying to tag it with either of this tags you are just doing it wrong (unless it is Transgender, then it is a whole different story, and it isn't a cross-dressing) so I see no issue here.

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Nezchan Moderator
Meiling%20bun%20150px
joined Jun 28, 2012

Try harder next time.

Reading comprehension, yo. Still didn't say what you think I did.

Are you one of those people that says you can't tag futa and yuri together?

That would be the people who run the site, actually.

If you have 2 X chromosomes you are a boy. If you have 1 X and 1 Y, you are a girl.

Um, I hate to tell you this...

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Rosmontis
Nevrilicious Scans
joined Jun 5, 2015

Nezchan posted:

If you have 2 X chromosomes you are a boy. If you have 1 X and 1 Y, you are a girl.

Um, I hate to tell you this...

Mixed it up thanks to that thing you posted that is wrong. If it doesn't even have basic facts right, why you posted it again?

Yuri Girl 1001 Uploader
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joined Mar 29, 2013

Wow. No matter what your position on this tag discussion, things have suddenly blown up here.

Well, I don't really want to wade into this discussion, so I'll show myself out now.

Nezchan Moderator
Meiling%20bun%20150px
joined Jun 28, 2012

Nezchan posted:

If you have 2 X chromosomes you are a boy. If you have 1 X and 1 Y, you are a girl.

Um, I hate to tell you this...

Mixed it up thanks to that thing you posted that is wrong. If it doesn't even have basic facts right, why you posted it again?

Because it was a joke, making fun of the incredibly stupid comment in the pic.

Rosmontis
Nevrilicious Scans
joined Jun 5, 2015

Nezchan posted:

Nezchan posted:

If you have 2 X chromosomes you are a boy. If you have 1 X and 1 Y, you are a girl.

Um, I hate to tell you this...

Mixed it up thanks to that thing you posted that is wrong. If it doesn't even have basic facts right, why you posted it again?

Because it was a joke, making fun of the incredibly stupid comment in the pic.

Oh, that explains a lot. I focused more on autism part, thinking it were some research results or something and it was the reason for tag change. Missed the mistake on chromosomes because of that.

Pic1
joined Aug 29, 2013

Are you one of those people that says you can't tag futa and yuri together?

That would be the people who run the site, actually.

I agree that Futa and Yuri shouldn't be put together, due to the fact that Futa isn't always intended to be Yuri. So Kudos to the wise people who made that decision!

Rosmontis
Nevrilicious Scans
joined Jun 5, 2015

Rebly82 posted:

Futa isn't always intended to be Yuri.

What in case it is?

A2bcf11834a1918b3f09b4219b2a099f_r
joined Aug 16, 2014

Rebly82 posted:

Futa isn't always intended to be Yuri.

What in case it is?

Torches and pitchforks?

4f51117132779849a26d7739f9e4a595
joined Oct 28, 2015

I also think that the link between mentioning the Y chromosome and the 50% chance that if one's mother is a carrier of the autism gene that one will inherit autism, or the 100% chance that one will inherit the gene if their mother is autistic (providing that it is a simple sexually inherited trait at all, as I do not know for sure) is a bit of a long bow to draw.

I just re-read the picture that Nez-chan posted, and now I feel like an idiot (^_^;)

What's the real reason for the change then?

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Thevoid
joined Nov 13, 2015

I'm glad I didn't mention anything about chromosomes when I saw that pic. Lesson of the day: don't trust everything you read on the internet, half the time you're either looking at a post by an idiot or a troll.

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

404 : Single fuck given not found.

Ozy_avatar
joined Jan 30, 2013

The reason I said Female Only feels like a hentai tag, is because in vast majority of hentai readers, you can often see threesomes tagged with Yuri, whille Het tag doesn't exist - so that tag can be used for searching actual yuri. Well, it's more about "mood" than meaning.

Personally, I'm not too fond of this one, cause it's "internet-y". And chromosome version was "science-y".

How about "No males land" ^_^

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Nezchan Moderator
Meiling%20bun%20150px
joined Jun 28, 2012

She-Woman Man Hater's Club, maybe?

Dark_Tzitzimine
67763073_p3
joined Dec 18, 2013

The reason I said Female Only feels like a hentai tag, is because in vast majority of hentai readers, you can often see threesomes tagged with Yuri, whille Het tag doesn't exist - so that tag can be used for searching actual yuri. Well, it's more about "mood" than meaning.

Personally, I'm not too fond of this one, cause it's "internet-y". And chromosome version was "science-y".

How about "No males land" ^_^

I don't know what readers do you use but Hentai Galleries and Ex Hentai tag as Yuri, every single piece of work that has two women being intimate. As you can guess, this leads to a TON of het works being tagged as yuri.

These days, to look there for actual yuri content you have to use the "females only" tag that fits perfectly with the way we're using this tag here.

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