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She cares a lot for her, as maybe she would for an older sister who has life issues.

Hard to reconcile that with "honmei chocolate", which I gather is not something you give to family members, and her recent fantasizing about being in a romantic relationship with Keiko.

Billportrait
joined Jan 17, 2014

She cares a lot for her, as maybe she would for an older sister who has life issues.

Hard to reconcile that with "honmei chocolate", which I gather is not something you give to family members, and her recent fantasizing about being in a romantic relationship with Keiko.

She is her ''Senpai'', really think about that for a second

I think this story is a, maybe throwback you could say, about the Senpai-Kouhai relationship, which is just probably something very alien outside of Japan

Nezchan Moderator
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She cares a lot for her, as maybe she would for an older sister who has life issues.

Hard to reconcile that with "honmei chocolate", which I gather is not something you give to family members, and her recent fantasizing about being in a romantic relationship with Keiko.

She is her ''Senpai'', really think about that for a second

I think this story is a, maybe throwback you could say, about the Senpai-Kouhai relationship, which is just probably something very alien outside of Japan

From the discussion here about honmei chocolate, and the context of a good many other manga, it seems to be something you do not give in a Senpai-Kouhai relationship.

Billportrait
joined Jan 17, 2014

to be fair, at one point in life, didn't you admire someone so much that you got confusing messages from your brain that was very much like love but not really? ヽ(*・ω・)ノ

No? must have been just me then

Natsuki
joined Feb 5, 2015

Honmei choco, heavily sighing, romantic dream...I don't think that Ran cares about keiko only because she is her "senpai". She must have other feelings for her, love or not, whatever it is, their relationship is already more than just a senpai-kouhai relationship. And I reckon that honmei choco is only given by a person to someone they like or love, other than that it's giri choco.

It is possible that this series is coming to an end, but I really hope that Shou doesn't let it end without settling Keiko's issues with her mother and her ex.

Billportrait
joined Jan 17, 2014

I think I am being a bit misunderstood here, Ran keeps calling her Senpai throughout, they seem to be on an entirely different level than normal friends but Ran still thinks of her as her Senpai even tough they are years away from school already, I know that there are other stories that take place after school where those grown ups reenact those ''Senpai'' addressing forms because, well you don't get any younger, do you it's just this void of ''Friendship <<<<<< ------ >>>>>> Lover'' that I fail to understand completly right now and subsequently don't really have a name for it and I just think an Senpai-Kouhai relationship is an manifestation of this, I don't believe it's ''just'' which would mean I think of it as an downgrade of sort

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Nezchan Moderator
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Ran calling Keiko Senpai in a culture where married couples call each other "Father" and "Mother" doesn't seem particularly unusual.

Billportrait
joined Jan 17, 2014

well, but we are talking about two established individuals we know a lot about and yet so little, not some passive cultural thing

I will stop here though, don't really have to add anything anymore, anything else would become spam-short

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

It's just a phase.

Roomfortwo
joined Feb 11, 2014

I think Ran calling Keiko "senpai" is mostly out of "old habits die hard" rather than anything else.

Image
joined May 2, 2014

Soooo σ^_^; About Ran Dreaming about dating keiko does that mean finally there is a hope that they might end up tougher , Yes I think there is (Cuz I don't think dreaming about been with her mean nothing , this shit ain't straight in my opinion |( ̄3 ̄)| , I think in the next chapters things will get more interesting after reading Rans dream Chapter I have some pretty high hopes for some developments some shoujo ai hopefully.... (⌒-⌒; )

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joined Mar 28, 2014

Does anyone have a real Vol.3? Just curious if Chapter 32B really is part of the Vol.4 as it's listed here now. It should be called 32.1 and be part of Vol.3, I believe. 32.5 will be a Full-Colour chapter from the Vol.4

I think Ran calling Keiko "senpai" is mostly out of "old habits die hard" rather than anything else.

Mostly this. But it does have a particular taste that Ran's subconsciously abusing to make their quite intimate relationship less stressful for Keiko.

@takachi It's possible that the next chapter will be the talk with the ex, but then again, so is the visit to Keiko's mom, it has been mention quite a while ago, and it hasn't happened yet.

I can't completely disagree, even though up till now all volume-last chapters were flashbacks/retrospectives to summarize and extend the volume.
For example, Vol.1 was introducing the characters and their issues. Vol.2 was character development, digging deeper into the details and explaining their problems. Vol.3 was Ran's confession as she learned that Keiko's ex is still a possible threat. Vol.4 is Ran facing little response from Keiko and exposing the fact that Keiko's still concerned about her ex. That's why to me it sounds more logical that this Volume ends with a resolution of some sort. Whether it's a proper closure between Keiko and her ex, or whether this is time for Ran to leave Keiko's home - ugh, I wonder.
On the other hand, perhaps, solving issues with her mom fits into 24 pages much better than the whole ex thing, and is therefore a better option... I wonder, I just don't feel that it's good timing for it.

To be honest, if you remove your yuri googles, Ran's emotional involvement toward Keiko may be totally non romantic.

She cares a lot for her, as maybe she would for an older sister who has life issues.

We seek yuri here because Shou wrote yuri before, but there's no indication that this is actual yuri or that any romance, even one-sided, is taking place.

LOL, nice try. But you don't need the goggles to see the obvious. Ran is invested in Keiko, both romantically and sexually. I bet that Keiko's even completely aware of it, but is just afraid of developing the relationship further. It kinda makes sense if you look at it from the perspective of the entire series.
In the past she confused friendship with love. She spontaneously decided to have sex with a guy and realized that the relationship hadn't ever been close to love. She got hurt. And thus got herself busy with studying.
Later, she confused a crush with love. Just like the last time, she went for kids and a shotgun wedding without giving it much thought. She got hurt again when she realized that one needs time to live together and prove the strength of their relationship. So she got herself busy with Ran.
Now she kinda does everything properly - she doesn't want to rush it. This explains her BD present for Ran. In addition, it's also a confusing relationship because of the sexuality. She really needs time to face it and accept/reject it in order not to get herself hurt again. And only when she understands it herself will she be able to return and forgive her mother who apparently made the same mistake in the past with a shotgun wedding. The only difference being Keiko actually getting born. And that explains why her mother would say some harsh words to Keiko on the phone, when she learned that her daughter got into such a state. Getting dirty wasn't really about a miscarriage. It was about getting pregnant with the first guy Keiko fell for. This also explains the sudden change in Keiko's relationship after the miscarriage. The change was not because of the miscarriage, the change was because of what Keiko's mum told and reminded her about. The miscarriage drama only proved that having a crush is not enough to form a decent family.

Wow, actually, having written that, I'm pretty much in for the closure of the relationship between Keiko and her ex in the next two chapters. And the next volume - Keiko's path to accepting/rejecting Ran.

it's just this void of ''Friendship <<<<<< ------ >>>>>> Lover'' that I fail to understand completly right now and subsequently don't really have a name for it and I just think an Senpai-Kouhai relationship is an manifestation of this, I don't believe it's ''just'' which would mean I think of it as an downgrade of sort

@Maus, I kinda can relate to such a relationship. I had such a relationship (or a very similar one) with a guy. We lived together. I really liked him, emotionally, romantically. I felt really comfortable being next to him. I could imagine living with him for the rest of my life. But. He just didn't excite me like a girl would. I didn't feel disgusted kissing him, but I neither felt aroused doing that, like, at all. It's, like, void. I've never fantasized about him either, and when I tried, denying the obvious, I only got myself stressed. These days I still like him a lot. He's pretty much a family member to me, a brother, but that's it, not a lover.
I'm kinda afraid Keiko might be the same with Ran. There have been some hints that she might be at least a bisexual. But while I'm absolutely certain that Ran is gay, I have my doubts about Keiko. We'll see

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Easypart
joined May 28, 2014

to be fair, at one point in life, didn't you admire someone so much that you got confusing messages from your brain that was very much like love but not really? ヽ(*・ω・)ノ

No? must have been just me then

Yes I know the feeling, you might as well call it love, but you can't for some reason.

Confusing messages a new genre in manga. Inventor: Higashiyama Shou. Manga where you keep guessing what the fuck they're feeling, and what you're reading, and why you can't stop reading..

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joined Oct 28, 2014

Yes, I have all the volumes and the structure is as follows:

Volume 1: Chapters 1 to 11.

Volume 2: Chapters 12 to 22. Chapters 22A and 22B are fused as Chapter 22.

Volume 3: Chapters 23 to 32. Chapters 27A and 27B are fused as Chapter 27 and 32A and 32B are fused as 32.

All volumes have a short chapter on color at the beginning, but have no title.

So far there is no indication which will be the last chapter of the fourth volume.

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joined Mar 28, 2014

Yes, I have all the volumes and the structure is as follows:

Volume 1: Chapters 1 to 11.

Volume 2: Chapters 12 to 22. Chapters 22A and 22B are fused as Chapter 22.

Volume 3: Chapters 23 to 32. Chapters 27A and 27B are fused as Chapter 27 and 32A and 32B are fused as 32.

All volumes have a short chapter on color at the beginning, but have no title.

So far there is no indication which will be the last chapter of the fourth volume.

Oh, then it's quite clear. Chapter 43 is the last chapter in Vol.4. It will likely be released online as two chapters: 43A and 43B.
UPD. No I'm being dumb here. The last chapter could as well be 44. Ah, whatever..

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joined Aug 17, 2015

ran just put up senpai's T-short .....

Nezchan Moderator
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joined Jun 28, 2012

ran just put up senpai's T-short .....

I always miss little things like that.

Sj2
joined Nov 23, 2014

it's just this void of ''Friendship <<<<<< ------ >>>>>> Lover'' that I fail to understand completly right now and subsequently don't really have a name for it and I just think an Senpai-Kouhai relationship is an manifestation of this, I don't believe it's ''just'' which would mean I think of it as an downgrade of sort

Would this be the word you're looking for?

Natsuki
joined Feb 5, 2015

@Maus
I guess I misunderstood what you meant. I thought you were saying that Ran behaves like that because keiko's her senpai. My bad orz

Ran keeps calling Keiko senpai, is because in the senpai-kouhai system, once you are a kouhai you are a kouhai and your senpai will always be your senpai and that is how you will address your senpai. Unless your senpai allows you to call them by their names or something else. That's my understanding, but I could be wrong.

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joined Feb 4, 2015

Why didn't Keiko eat her yummy nut? Dx

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joined Mar 28, 2014

Why didn't Keiko eat her yummy nut? Dx

Because it's too precious and she'd rather preserve it. Somebody needs to persuade her, that she's deadly hungry, and the nut is her only resort to survival.

Credit
joined Jul 14, 2013

Keiko: Maybe I should eat you then <3
Me: YES!!! DO IT!!! JUST DO IT!!!
Keiko: Sigh....
Me: T_T ~ Why...

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joined Mar 14, 2014

ran just put up senpai's T-short .....

I always miss little things like that.

Now for some Bubbline-like shirt sniffing from Ran.

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joined Mar 14, 2014

Why didn't Keiko eat her yummy nut? Dx

Because it's too precious and she'd rather preserve it. Somebody needs to persuade her, that she's deadly hungry, and the nut is her only resort to survival.

Considering Ran's trolling abilities, she can probably do it.

joined May 23, 2013

Ran is gay no doubt about that XD she just doesn't know how to make a move with het Keiko.

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