They're definitely gay but the tag just subtext, and they're just cousins but the tag is incest. lmao

"Subtext" and the girl looks like she's 5 seconds away from pouncing on her cousin at any given moment

Which girl, though?

That was the joke I was going for lmao.

Then you should just have answered "Yes" to my counter-setup. :D

can we get a 3 volume series of them? :)

Mutual Yuri Crush tag when

Too bad, she was so focus on her cousin that she didn't hear her aunt saying "take care of my Sumire" :/

They're so cute indeed.

And clearly she does have a chance. ^_^

(I bet Sumire wore that underwear just for her.)

sweet

Kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss

cousins are absolutely still incest i'm slightly flabberghasted by peoples heightened standards there. like they share grandparents?? and like, they aren't exactly estranged or anything social-wise. its not a "lesser" form of incest gawd!! gatekeepers smh
(glad the tags there even if its funny on a story thats technically subtext if you want to try REALLY hard to deny the obvious)

cousins are absolutely still incest i'm slightly flabberghasted by peoples heightened standards there. like they share grandparents?? and like, they aren't exactly estranged or anything social-wise. its not a "lesser" form of incest gawd!! gatekeepers smh
(glad the tags there even if its funny on a story thats technically subtext if you want to try REALLY hard to deny the obvious)

ppl might be half-joking but i think it's more about cultural desensitization than "gatekeeping". Unlike closer relations, incestuous relationships between cousins are perfectly legal and less stigmatized in Japan and large parts of Europe. In the Western cultural hemisphere it's mainly the USA who are the most (vocally) hardline in that regard.

So it's not that it's not incest, but there is a difference in "severity", let's say.

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If you define 'incest' as "sex between relatives" then sure, first-cousin is incest, but then so what? The more common definition of incest is illegal or immoral, prohibited, sex between relatives. (Or, "relatives", often not even genetically related just connected by marriage, e.g. in-laws being prohibited.) And that is completely culturally arbitrary, beyond the most immediate family. First-cousin marriage is legal in most of the world (with even avunculate marriage legal in some developed countries) and positively desirable in many societies.

Read Jane Austen or the Bronte sisters, or Wilkie Collins, and most of the books feature first-cousin marriage as not even noteworthy or even slightly racy.

they aren't exactly estranged or anything social-wise. its not a "lesser" form of incest

If you're rational about the problems of incest, rather than "eww, squick!", it is lesser. The genetic risk to children is a lot lesser than with sibling incest, and gays can't have kids with each other anyway. And the emotional risks and entanglements and potential abuses of being involved with a sibling or offspring are likewise far lower for cousins, who here are more like childhood friends with an extra connection, as someone already said.

Like, try making an argument against this relationship that's rooted in harm or consent-violation, rather than "I think it's gross!"

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Like, try making an argument against this relationship that's rooted in harm or consent-violation, rather than "I think it's gross!"

unfortunately that's how a lot of people base their morality on, "I think it's gross!"/"I don't like it" = "it is immoral"
fairly certain a good chunk of homophobic people think exactly like that

Wholesome Incest

Wholesome Incest

The purpose of tagging means that tags don't have to be consistent, especially when they're ambiguous. If a lot of people think it was a wholesome non-incestuous story, while other people think first cousins are horrible incest, then you end up tagging both (so the first group can find it, and the second group can avoid it), even if few if any people think it's a "wholesome incest" story.

I thought the wholesome tag means this relationship doesn't involve anything not consented by both parties, and would be considered "a healthy relationship"?

ppl might be half-joking but i think it's more about cultural desensitization than "gatekeeping". Unlike closer relations, incestuous relationships between cousins are perfectly legal and less stigmatized in Japan and large parts of Europe. In the Western cultural hemisphere it's mainly the USA who are the most (vocally) hardline in that regard.

[emphasis mine] Sources on that? This seems like really weird US-exceptionalism lol. Because at least for Europe I assure you that implying they marry cousins is a rather common attack on a given ethnicity (and thus subject to the standard european pecking order of North/Central > West > South > East > Balkans). Worldmetrics records an massive decrease in japanese acceptance within the last 20 years.

Like, try making an argument against this relationship that's rooted in harm or consent-violation, rather than "I think it's gross!"

unfortunately that's how a lot of people base their morality on, "I think it's gross!"/"I don't like it" = "it is immoral"
fairly certain a good chunk of homophobic people think exactly like that

Didn't you know? Killing a roach makes you a hero, killing a butterfly a villain. Most morals are confabulated to meet bias or aesthetic preferences, not a genuine ruleset. Anybody with genuine grasp of philosophy is just "unfair", and "twisting words" (ppl don't even know the term "sophistry" anymore smh). But as always, seeing the flaw in others is easy, but building your own consistent framework is difficult, even more so living by it. (Hint for anyone in the audience who believes in "the greatest good for the greatest number": No you fucking don't.)

I thought the wholesome tag means this relationship doesn't involve anything not consented by both parties, and would be considered "a healthy relationship"?

Nah, that'd apply to basically all non-toxic yuri. It's generally used in the sense of "heartwarming", "uplifting" or "balm for the soul" kind of stuff. Heck, A Girl Who Will Die One Day is tagged Wholesome.

Heck, A Girl Who Will Die One Day is tagged Wholesome.

Well that would be because A Girl Who Will Die One Day is absolutely heartwarming and especially uplifting.

Dunno about current stigma but ironically, SE Europe is one of the few areas where cousin marriage is illegal, along with China, Scandinavia, and much of the interior US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#Legal_status

Of course, with modern birth rates and mobility, there are a lot fewer cousins to potentially marry, and a lot more other people to meet.

Worldmetrics records an massive decrease in japanese acceptance within the last 20 years.

That link is useless here. It doesn't link to sources, and doesn't define incest, but most of the entries seem to be about immediate family incest, not cousins.

I have seen reports that younger Japanese people are less accepting of cousin marriage than older, but how much so and how strongly ("I wouldn't do it" vs "we should shame and ban it"), I dunno.