also thanks for the fast translation (and all your work as a whole) ElPsyKongroo! it's only been 3 days since the last chapter! (not remotely suggesting/requesting that you should keep this pace btw :P)

Really? 3 days? I feel like I've been slacking so much, I was sure it had been way more time.

Edit. Anyway, imma do some other projects so there might be a little break for Girly.

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cause then all you transfems here are allowed to hang me for my hopeful comments and for pissing anyone off, i'm fine with it...

No.
To be clear to posters here: no matter who you are, what your background is, or your feelings on the content is, continuing to push on what is acceptable behavior here is, will not be tolerated.

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I missed a lot of discourse here, but my position is: Eru isn't an example of a predatory transbian archetype because the character is clearly framed as sympathetic, even in the previous chapter and certainly in this one. Even if the sympathetic backstory itself is kinda nonsensical lol.

wtf wtf wtf
This has to be the most bizarre case of "fetching mid from the jaws of peak"-writing I've seen this year. Why... no, with the human brain being a pattern recognition machine, how do you even do that?!

still rooting for Kitano & Girly though, idc idc.

Idk if I can root for this pairing, at least as it is now. Until Girly overcomes his aversion in another way, an "it's okay if it's you" will always leave a sour taste.
(Also obviously I must uphold the agenda of shipping Kitano with the MacGirlfin and Girly with whatever schmuck so we can have yaoi and yuri.)

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Wow, That has honestly got to be one of the dumbest character motivations I've seen in a manga in a very long time, lol. Turns out slapping "sick mom" on a story doesn't automatically make it good.

what a dumbass. literally nothing is stopping him from just becoming the signboard girl

...Yeah, Eru's got a negative intelligence score. And what was the author smoking? Or were they cramming so hard for a deadline that they were delirious? I'm failing to see anything resembling logic in this development. Not even internal 'this is a comedy' logic.

Casusby forbade me to comment here so here I am, because I hate to disappoint.

Honnestly, pleasantly surprised by nearly all posters here, including those I disagree with or those that are very angry. (Zesc your posts are so fucking good.) Looks like the classic activist shitshow. I won't add much to the discussion, just point a few things :
- "genderfuck" is a very queer term actually that is employed by very queer people like me in very queer places. I'm not sure why you would think it's transphobic or fetishizing - I really dont get it. I spent nearly a decade in the queer activists circles of my countries, where the more genderfucking you are the better. I'm friend with transmen, transwoman, and weird lifeforms that enjoy destroying gender everyday as a permanent performance and middle-finger to patriarchy. Genderfuck is our vocabulary.
- I loved prunus girl (and find Boku Girl hilarious) and I'm among the most queer transwomen you can imagine - HRT, FFS, SRS, but also tatooed enby short hair butch with leg hair that doesnt give the slightest fuck about how they're gendered. Most people IRL are so uncertain about my gender that they bug in real time.
- I do agree though that a lot of trans manga are perpetuating tropes that are harmful - but I dont quite understand why those would be the one quoted here. I pointed some in the past that didnt sit right with me, but honnestly prunus girl for example is very good at communicating a lot of very good and healthy stuff.

But overall, I'd just say one thing : nuance. It's what's usually lacking in social justice activism.

I dont like this manga, I find it rather poor in quality actually. I kinda liked it at first, but the more it unfolds, the worse I think it is. But is it transphobic ? Mmm not so sure. On the contrary I think "queer" and "genderfuck" are fitting. The manga annoys me quite frequently and some things make me thing the author would need the same educationnal experiences as their MC. But transphobic ? Doesnt quite feel like it so far. It pictures some transphobic acts, but it doesnt feel like it's validating them. Quite the opposite. Jokes are on common transphobic tropes, but are they communicating transphobia ? I dont think so either.

So that's my nuanced view on it : it's quite bad and poorly executed, but I dont think it's transphobic either, so far. Might change my mind later.

I don't agree with you much SillieHonka, but I like how articulate you are, and I understand the anger. It's not blind and stupid anger, so even though I don't agree with you, I can respect that.

However, I agree with Scorpion and Zesc in the sense that you should nuance your views a bit on this one. Being angry about something is fine (and I get how you would get angry at this manga - not blaming you for it), but you're not fighting cis straight guys reaking misogyny here. 90% of this thread is made of trans women. This forum has enough problematic people for you to get angry at - the ones on this topic shouldnt be your prime target. ;)

cause then all you transfems here are allowed to hang me for my hopeful comments and for pissing anyone off, i'm fine with it...

No.
To be clear to posters here: no matter who you are, what your background is, or your feelings on the content is, continuing to push on what is acceptable behavior here is, will not be tolerated.

Lol it's ok admin i wasn't being that serious. I won't continue with the emotional convos I'll just come back when the next chapter drops like normal. Here is to nuance and understanding each other!

This manga honestly reads like one of those fantasies that were posted often in /tttt/ a few years ago (not sure if they're still posted, I don't go there anymore) and s_ss_ tumblr blogs but like, a cute and wholesome PG version of them. I'm here for Kitano-chan.

Eru isn't an example of a predatory transbian archetype because the character is clearly framed as sympathetic, even in the previous chapter and certainly in this one. Even if the sympathetic backstory itself is kinda nonsensical lol.

yeah ch5 really drives this point home with the, again, very meh, backstory (but since we're reading this manga not like there's other choice regarding its story than just take it as it tells us):

his mother's sick but she insists on working because she's the signboard girl -> he needs to find a sighboard girl to alleviate her burden -> the first girl he found (that kinda looks like his mother?) rejects him but offers him a suggestion (find a girlfriend) -> that suggestion becomes his holy grail -> he needs to find a girlfriend with the primary (if not only) goal of alleviating his sick mother's burden -> he accidentally cross-dresses and got a girl's contact info for the first time so he's been doing it since -> [then, hopefully, as many have already suggested, he stops being a dumbass and realizes there has been a signboard girl aside from his mother all along]

Idk if I can root for this pairing, at least as it is now. Until Girly overcomes his aversion in another way, an "it's okay if it's you" will always leave a sour taste.

I think that should be addressed somewhere down the line

(Also obviously I must uphold the agenda of shipping Kitano with the MacGirlfin and Girly with whatever schmuck so we can have yaoi and yuri.)

wait, hold on, you GENIUS, keep cooking. also MacGirlfin is just great.

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Casusby forbade me to comment here so here I am, because I hate to disappoint.

Honnestly, pleasantly surprised by nearly all posters here, including those I disagree with or those that are very angry. (Zesc your posts are so fucking good.) Looks like the classic activist shitshow. I won't add much to the discussion, just point a few things :
- "genderfuck" is a very queer term actually that is employed by very queer people like me in very queer places. I'm not sure why you would think it's transphobic or fetishizing - I really dont get it. I spent nearly a decade in the queer activists circles of my countries, where the more genderfucking you are the better. I'm friend with transmen, transwoman, and weird lifeforms that enjoy destroying gender everyday as a permanent performance and middle-finger to patriarchy. Genderfuck is our vocabulary.
- I loved prunus girl (and find Boku Girl hilarious) and I'm among the most queer transwomen you can imagine - HRT, FFS, SRS, but also tatooed enby short hair butch with leg hair that doesnt give the slightest fuck about how they're gendered. Most people IRL are so uncertain about my gender that they bug in real time.
- I do agree though that a lot of trans manga are perpetuating tropes that are harmful - but I dont quite understand why those would be the one quoted here. I pointed some in the past that didnt sit right with me, but honnestly prunus girl for example is very good at communicating a lot of very good and healthy stuff.

But overall, I'd just say one thing : nuance. It's what's usually lacking in social justice activism.

I dont like this manga, I find it rather poor in quality actually. I kinda liked it at first, but the more it unfolds, the worse I think it is. But is it transphobic ? Mmm not so sure. On the contrary I think "queer" and "genderfuck" are fitting. The manga annoys me quite frequently and some things make me thing the author would need the same educationnal experiences as their MC. But transphobic ? Doesnt quite feel like it so far. It pictures some transphobic acts, but it doesnt feel like it's validating them. Quite the opposite. Jokes are on common transphobic tropes, but are they communicating transphobia ? I dont think so either.

So that's my nuanced view on it : it's quite bad and poorly executed, but I dont think it's transphobic either, so far. Might change my mind later.

I don't agree with you much SillieHonka, but I like how articulate you are, and I understand the anger. It's not blind and stupid anger, so even though I don't agree with you, I can respect that.

However, I agree with Scorpion and Zesc in the sense that you should nuance your views a bit on this one. Being angry about something is fine (and I get how you would get angry at this manga - not blaming you for it), but you're not fighting cis straight guys reaking misogyny here. 90% of this thread is made of trans women. This forum has enough problematic people for you to get angry at - the ones on this topic shouldnt be your prime target. ;)

Why are you acting like some kind of authority? Like having your own opinion is one thing but this reads like you genuinely expect people to weigh your opinion over anyone else's.

• "genderfuck" is a very queer term actually that is employed by very queer people like me in very queer places. I'm not sure why you would think it's transphobic or fetishizing - I really dont get it.

I understand where the usage has been for a long time, I am saying this as a transfem that gets real autistic about language and changes in language, there has been a shift in people using it the way I've noted where it is less rebellious spirit, and more envy of visible transness. Same change happening with sapphic being used around trans lesbians' relationships to cis lesbians becoming more common. The word morphing into this kind of shorthand for "not entirely lesbian" is having transmisogynistic consequences of separating trans lesbians from their lesbianism. Maybe its too label obsessed but my non trans woman partner has noticed that particular pattern too.

I spent nearly a decade in the queer activists circles

This is real bizarre to me because later you position yourself above "social justice activism" and the posturing there is immediately antithetical to what queer means. In the first place I've never stated that this was the extent of my activism or activism period, or that my intent was ever fixing this site specifically I mean FFS we cant get a nonbinary tag on Pale-Blue Saudade, I am mostly here just spilling my opinion to the wind and have given up on this site being any kind of hospitable place to trans people and trans readings of text. I'd love it if I could come here and talk about my plural readings but those take a backseat when there is such pushback against the former.

• I loved prunus girl (and find Boku Girl hilarious) and I'm among the most queer transwomen you can imagine

Ah yes boku girl where the pervert crossdresser was a product of his father's sexual assault which is framed as a joke and the main characters femininity is validated by heterosexuality. And prunus girl really relied on "tr*p reveal" punchlines and the only thing halfway salvageable is its cageyness around the trans character's identity, which can be mischaritably read as nonbinary, but is really just doing the whole "there is no trans" mouthpiece thing. I feel the same way about Colorless Girl tbh which itself had to do a tremendous backpedal to get to "errr MCis only kinda nonbinary???" . Yes does it tell you the male mc isnt exactly gay, sure, but it doesnt fare well to how it treats the bodies of transfeminine people. Also lets not one-word trans man and trans woman., I know its nitpicky but that doesnt change that that is not our language and mashing them together serves a little nasty purpose.

But overall, I'd just say one thing : nuance. It's what's usually lacking in social justice activism.

All this appeal to nuance and people are still dodging the whole balls thing. Why am I seeing a panel of panties with balls stretched out over the sides like its the funniest thing ever. Just straight dysphoria bait. It'd be one thing if in context it was a doll being like fuck I popped my tuck (I have all the fire for cis queens that are too on their "dick and balls in dresses/skirts/panties or "meaty tuck" jokes, its pretty obvious it comes from a place of transphobia), but the context is transvestigation, the entitlement to knowing what is inside that article of clothing and the appeal to one bodily standard for what is worn.

So that's my nuanced view on it : it's quite bad and poorly executed, but I dont think it's transphobic either, so far. Might change my mind later.

That's the thing though is poorly executed and bad handlings of topics like disability or SA inevitably become voyeuristic/exploitative and are highly prone to expressing some kind of ableism or apologia in those cases, I don't see why trans narratives would be exempt. People will criticize Bridget and the only way I can answer is that she is allegorically an intersex trans woman, it works but it also sucks that that isn't text and that reading probably gives room for the trope of intersex ppl always having to be the contingency argument rather than full people, though in it does feel like it hits the beats the recent intersex trans fem film "Mi Señorita Querida"

I don't agree with you much SillieHonka, but I like how articulate you are, and I understand the anger. It's not blind and stupid anger, so even though I don't agree with you, I can respect that.

I at least appreciate the respect, but:

However, I agree with Scorpion and Zesc

the former did go too far and expressed an extreme level of callousness towards the topic that its more of a safer assumption they dont particular care/actively denigrate capital q Queer politic that you yourself seem conflicted in attaching yourself to.

Chat, is he stupid?

Sylke perhaps you should've just listened Casusby, lol. seems like this forum had already calmed down otherwise.

I'm the one who went too far, that's actually fucking hilarious. SillieHonka I continue to hold very little, if any at all, respect towards you, and if you can believe it it's not because the fact that you're a trans woman, but I'm sure you can't believe that. I'm sure the feelings pleasantly mutual as your first reply towards me had aptly demonstrated.

Sylke perhaps you should've just listened Casusby, lol. seems like this forum had already calmed down otherwise.

I'm the one who went too far, that's actually fucking hilarious. SillieHonka I continue to hold very little, if any at all, respect towards you, and if you can believe it it's not because the fact that you're a trans woman, but I'm sure you can't believe that. I'm sure the feelings pleasantly mutual as your first reply towards me had aptly demonstrated.

yup. you really spoke truth to power, keep it up!

^ that part was blatantly racist and antiblack. I am going to respond how I should. I should have been more explicit about this but I will be now. I don't believe I said anything untoward in kind as someone white. I'm not gonna mince words and I am going to step up and shut down that mockery when I see it. That was a racist thing to say as it specifically is a phrase used by black activists and you used it to mock me first. I'm done here.

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I'm done here.

thank you so much. and this time I'm sincere. (/sincere /genuine)

Why do you guys want this discussion to end ? Genuinely asking. Often in online communities there's this need to shut down heated discourse, but that discourse can be important and useful. You solve 0 problems by burying them and you don't grow up as an individual either. Personally I find this discussion interesting and the quality of the interventions if quite high for an internet debate.

Why are you acting like some kind of authority? Like having your own opinion is one thing but this reads like you genuinely expect people to weigh your opinion over anyone else's.

Not on purpose. Could be I'm just french and I don't translate my feelings well. Or I'm just french period. ;)

I understand where the usage has been for a long time, I am saying this as a transfem that gets real autistic about language and changes in language, there has been a shift in people using it the way I've noted where it is less rebellious spirit, and more envy of visible transness. Same change happening with sapphic being used around trans lesbians' relationships to cis lesbians becoming more common. The word morphing into this kind of shorthand for "not entirely lesbian" is having transmisogynistic consequences of separating trans lesbians from their lesbianism. Maybe its too label obsessed but my non trans woman partner has noticed that particular pattern too.

No, I think your concerns are valid. The whole sapphic/lesbian thing, just like bisexual/pansexual, cristallyzes a problem we have in activism in general with needing to aknowledge a difference, without using it as leverage to oppress people. I do think also that the semantics are really hard on autistic people when they get blurry and bad things infiltrate in them.

However I think you conflate semantics variations with bad uses they have way too much. You are right that "sapphic" can be used as a way to oppress trans people, but not always. It's not structural to the term. It has good uses too, and some people need it. It helps include the trans men that do not always want the term "lesbian" used. Self-determination means we need to be able to chose the way we identify. Of course we can argue about whether or not that's a good idea ! But then it becomes something to discuss calmly inside our community - not something to get angry about.

Which leads to another point I want to stress out again : I really think you shouldn't misdirect your anger. I don't say that to tone police you - is that even really sensical between us ? are we in an oppression dynamics currently ? I dont think so - I say that because ANGER (as an activism tool) is something that should be used against oppressors. Just like calling out. When I see trans women calling out other trans women, I get so tired and sad - callout is a tool to fight cis white guys and/or people in position of unfair power. Callout against minorities from minorities is just unfair violence. If we can't even discuss and educate between us, how are we supposed to do it with others ?

I assure you "genderfuck" is -ours-, and if cis fetishists start to use it against us, we will do as always : be louder, and middle finger them. But honestly, I believe your experience of this use is very personal and local - as pointed by many here - so don't get too concerned about this.

This is real bizarre to me because later you position yourself above "social justice activism"

Oh fuck no, not at all. It's my whole life. I am critical of the problems we have, in activist communities. That's what I mean. I think Zesc pointed a bit of the same thing :
- us being too hard on our sisters and brothers, often even more than on our oppressors
- us lacking nuance on social justice discourse, being too 1/0 - when in fact social justice is all about nuance
- activism purity (which is related)

(Sorry a lot of those terms I know in french but not in english : "pureté militante", "adelphes", etc.)

We shouldn't be fighting between us. A third of the world hates us, we don't have time to hate ourselves on top of that. If we don't have the energy to be patient with our cis neighbours, at least we have to try hard to be with our sisters and brothers.

I do get angry too - the dynasty discord is tired with me because I get real mad once in a while. I got suspended for being real mad twice on this forum. I regret none of those times - I got mad for very very valid reasons every time. However, I very very very rarely get mad at people that aren't cis guys. With cis guys you often have to get angry at some point, because they often won't listen otherwise. Tbh they often won't listen even if you do get angry, but hey, at least someone said the things. But anger is never the best option - it's the one you use when the other failed.

I am mostly here just spilling my opinion to the wind and have given up on this site being any kind of hospitable place to trans people and trans readings of text. I'd love it if I could come here and talk about my plural readings but those take a backseat when there is such pushback against the former.

Well know that I do appreciate your comments, I left the dynasty forums long ago because people were unsufferable, but I find all the people on this thread articulate and constructive, even if you fight.

(also I appreciate Casusby work on this quite a lot - I thought their whole personality was being grumpy, but turns out they're actually quite nice and funny :D )

You can add me on discord @clarasylke to discuss this. I encourage you to join the dynasty discord too if you aren't on it, people can be really upsetting on discord too, but a lot of them are really nice, and the trans woman community is sweet imo.

Ah yes boku girl where the pervert crossdresser was a product of his father's sexual assault which is framed as a joke and the main characters femininity is validated by heterosexuality.

I said it was funny, not that it was nonproblematic - Boku Girl doesnt talk much about transidentity imo. It's a fun read for trans women (I personnally think) and it makes me laugh a lot, but the IQ is negative and that's OK.

I'm not saying Boku Girl is any good, I'm just saying it's not transphobic. I read it recently and it did not offend me - unlike Girly Debut that offended me a few times already. Even then I dont think Girly Debut is particularly transphobic - it's written by a cis guy that is as uneducated as his MC. That's how i see it.

And prunus girl really relied on "tr*p reveal" punchlines and the only thing halfway salvageable is its cageyness around the trans character's identity, which can be mischaritably read as nonbinary, but is really just doing the whole "there is no trans" mouthpiece thing.

You analyze it through the prism of transidentity, but you can't use this prism if the manga is not even talking about it. It's like getting mad at Horou Musuko because the trans guy wans't a trans guy at all. That's not what it's talking about. (I'm aware of the author being seen as problematic by some and dug into it the other day : they're most likely not)

Prunus Girl MC is a very good representation of nonbinary and/or genderfluid MC. I rarely felt more gender-represented in a manga. MC doesnt give a fuck. The whole manga is about not knowing whether they are male or female - and you never, ever know, which is why it's so good. Because it doesnt matter. That's what the manga is telling you. Who cares if the MC is girl, guy, or whatever ? I think they themselves say they're genderfluid/nonbinary - not with those words, but it's litterally what they say.

Prunus Girl MC is like "yeah, I'm a trap. A litteral, self-identitying trap. You wanna get a taste, cute boy ?" and I love that. They're playing with gender codes and genderfucking their way out of it until everyone has to agree that yeah, gender is dumb, and everyone should do whatever they want. This is why I think Prunus Girl is, in fact, one of the best mangas in term of its message.

The MC is not made fun of ever - in fact, everyone fucking loves them, even adores them. This is the opposite of a transphobic representation. If the male reader doesn't like them genderfucking everything, they're a loser - it's what it says, basically.

It's also not fetishist, as far as I remember the "wow a girl with a dick so hot" message is completely absent of the whole manga.

Also lets not one-word trans man and trans woman., I know its nitpicky but that doesnt change that that is not our language and mashing them together serves a little nasty purpose.

Most of us aren't even speaking english as our primary language - so yeah you're indeed nitpicking, but I hear you. I know the distinction is sometimes pointed out because I read stuff outside french activism circles obviously, but in France that distinction doesnt exist at all. We have our local TERFs to worry about hahaha.

All this appeal to nuance and people are still dodging the whole balls thing. Why am I seeing a panel of panties with balls stretched out over the sides like its the funniest thing ever.

Yeah, that's one of the things that offended me. But nuance in fact is that : differentiating "this thing offended me", and "it is transphobic".

If the manga was all about depicting trans women as men in girls clothing, and everything was a way to make fun of "a 'male' body in a skirt", I would so agree with you. But it's not. Half of the manga is weirdly positive actually. And don't you think that the fact none of them can guess "who is the --real woman--" is actually extremely trans-positive ? Isn't it the best "fuck you" one can give to the whole "we can always tell" discourse ? The MC essentialist views are litterally destroyed in an educational way - this is not what transphoby looks like.

This is why I talk about nuance. You are obsessing a bit (I say that with kindness) on the few things that are problematic, and you infer that they reveal something about the manga as a whole - but I dont think they do.

I think the manga isn't really good, but isnt transphobic either - just poorly executed, with good things and bad things in it, but right now the good things outweight the bad by a fair margin in my opinion. There's so many worse representations to talk about.

but the context is transvestigation, the entitlement to knowing what is inside that article of clothing and the appeal to one bodily standard for what is worn.

There's nothing problematic about cis guys travesting and other cis guys trying to guess - it's all fun and games. If it push cis guys to play around with their gender and sexuality, all the best.

It's not the investigation that is problematic, it's when it targets a trans woman, or someone who is doing it seriously and wants privacy. But none of them are trans women as far as we know of, so far - Kitano could be one, but if she is, her treatment is overall quite OK so far. (faaaaar from perfect, don't get me wrong - but nothing to get really angry at imo)

However I do agree that normalizing "transvestigation" is a problem - but just like before, I dont think this prism makes much sense when we're talking about people that are not trans.

The whole chapter about trying to see someone panties is CRINGE, yes, but it's also not supported by the author. Multiple characters are clearly stating that it is fucking wrong - so if anything, it's condemned.

I'd say the main problem is that the author portrays bad stuff and points it's bad, but does it clumsily. This is why I say the manga is poorly executed, but not transphobic. It does a bad job, but that's all there is to it.

When you say that this being poorly executed is a problem : yes. I agree 100% with you. But is this worth so much heat ? Nah. Again, just a bad manga, who otherwise has good things in it.

that you yourself seem conflicted in attaching yourself to.

I don't. I'm annoyed at activism patterns I often see, especially in young activists circles. I'm 38, joined a shitton of circles over the years, and the problems I pointed often appear in circles with young people - under 25, or even under 22. Not always, but often. We should do a better job at welcoming young queer people in activism, and educating on nuance and why it's important. Anger is easy to master, nuance is harder.

^ that part was blatantly racist and antiblack. I am going to respond how I should. I should have been more explicit about this but I will be now. I don't believe I said anything untoward in kind as someone white. I'm not gonna mince words and I am going to step up and shut down that mockery when I see it. That was a racist thing to say as it specifically is a phrase used by black activists and you used it to mock me first. I'm done here.

I won't comment on that, as I'm white, and french, so I have no idea what this is about. All I can say is we call each other out way too fast in our communities, be it homophobia, transphobia, racism, ableism, etc. So I tend to ponder. And at the same time, I also heard something extremely racist once, and saw my black and maghrebin friends get suddenly very sad and tense, without me realizing AT ALL it was racist, because I had no idea what it was referencing - as I'm very privileged on this. So really, idk.

Scorpion, I believe you should explain what you meant by using this specific sentence. I'm sure you meant no ill intent, but Sillie is right to point it, even if they annoy the hell out of you.

OK, I'm sure what you guys are discussing is quite brilliant, but since the new chapter just dropped, I'll drag the conversation back to the manga's story itself for now!

So we see that Eru did this to eliminate competition, and frankly I was not surprised since there's no way he'll share precious info without some catch, and as I mentioned last chapter, making Girly the one to go peep is literally a dirty move.

I mean I don't think this motive is any good. What does this guy think getting a girlfriend is about? It's about dedication and mutual respect. No one would be your girlfriend if your obsession is just letting someone do your work for free. I get it, some random girl talked garbage to you and made you get that idea, but where's the common sense? Where's the proper communication? One thing you need to learn in life is that you should never assume things without confirmation.

And yeah, like what other comments have said, you can just be the girl yourself for your mom. You can do it, buddy.

Scorpion, I believe you should explain what you meant by using this specific sentence. I'm sure you meant no ill intent, but Sillie is right to point it, even if they annoy the hell out of you.

no thanks. I have zero need to defend myself against the most bad-faith and baseless accusations.

I appreciate you trying to be more respectful than I managed to do.

the most charitable thing I can try say about SillieHonka is: she would be admirable if she has this much passion about transgender community and racial justice in real life, and making real people around her happy and empowered, or just less alone. and so I sincerely hope that is the case.

I don't care all that much what's accused of me, and she can continue to assume that I'm white, cisgender, heterosexual, and so on. I'm not about to just out myself like many other posters here did to try spare myself from her wrath.

All this appeal to nuance and people are still dodging the whole balls thing. Why am I seeing a panel of panties with balls stretched out over the sides like its the funniest thing ever. Just straight dysphoria bait. It'd be one thing if in context it was a doll being like fuck I popped my tuck (I have all the fire for cis queens that are too on their "dick and balls in dresses/skirts/panties or "meaty tuck" jokes, its pretty obvious it comes from a place of transphobia), but the context is transvestigation, the entitlement to knowing what is inside that article of clothing and the appeal to one bodily standard for what is worn.

SillieHonoka, I think the issue with your interpretations is that you remove individual scenes or aspects of the manga from their full context and present them as fully independent. The context of this (yes, pretty dumb) panel is that both Eru and Girly are flawed, imperfect characters. You can tell because immediately afterward Kitano thinks "now it feels like a boy's school." The absurdity of what Eru and Girly are doing is "the joke." (Edit: And I think it's likely the girl they're talking about isn't the cis girl anyway, which will further demonstrate how they're being dumbasses.)

Is it executed perfectly? Of course not, it's far from a perfect manga. But presenting it as if the joke is targeting trans women is unfair, just like it's unfair for you to argue Eru is a translesbophobic caricature when the character is clearly framed as flawed but sympathetic. And it's extra unfair for you to act like everyone who disagrees with you must not care about transmisogyny.

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Kitano herself says that Eru is cheating on the girls, Eru accepts it with a “So what about it?” attitude but then Girly immediately tells Eru that he's awesome and Kitano it the one who is painted as closed-minded (and that's exactly why she panics and wants to use the makeup). I don't even agree or share SillieHonka opinion but even if you analyze the scenes in their own context, there is a larger social context that informs how these jokes are taken (I assume this is what SillieHonka means) and we all know that trans women are not separated from these stereotypes in the minds of the majority (this apply to the balls joke and the dressing as a girl to pick up girls part) these things don't exist in a bubble, most readers are not trans women or people who care about transmisogyny, most probably don’t even know its a word
I see a lot of people constantly calling out others and saying “You can like this and accept it is problematic” but then go on and deny everything problematic or just be waaaay softer/charitable with the things they like. I simply believe that SillieHonka's position should not be debated and only ignored if some do not think alike, all of this was not necessary, just ignore it and continue talking about the chapter.

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I see a lot of people constantly calling out others and saying “You can like this and accept it is problematic” but then go on and deny everything problematic or just be waaaay softer/charitable with the things they like. I simply believe that SillieHonka's position should not be debated and only ignored if some do not think alike, all of this was not necessary, just ignore it and continue talking about the chapter.

The main reason this "debate" (tbh at this point mostly a weary forum dogpiling on those who do not know when to call it quits) even started is pretty much her deliberately causing a stir and preemptively branding everyone in disagreement a transphobic bigot. (A heavy accusation that hits even harder if you're also trans.)

She's entitled to her interpretation of the work, but not to mine, or anyone elses for that matter,

Other discussions (e.g. if certain tropes are inherently harmful and whether further examination down the road has an impact on thats) are merely incidential skirmishes in the greater mud slinging war. Frankly, as a participant with unintentional collateral, I'd 100% support staff just locking this thread until the next chapter drops; that worked wonders with that Yuri Game Isekai manga.

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[Absolutely unrelated edit but I despise to double-post]

Just saw that the manga is already completed with 4 volumes / 32 chapters.

Huh? With Vol 1 clocking in at only 5 chapters, 27 more over 3 volumes seems a lot. Do the chapters get shorter or something?

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Kitano herself says that Eru is cheating on the girls, Eru accepts it with a “So what about it?” attitude but then Girly immediately tells Eru that he's awesome and Kitano it the one who is painted as closed-minded (and that's exactly why she panics and wants to use the makeup).

I agree but the upshot of this, if anything, is the manga is asserting that dressing as a girl to pick up girls is totally cool and fine. Which I guess you could argue is lesbophobic (though it's not clear the girls Eru is picking up are lesbians), but it's not transmisogynistic.

I don't even agree or share SillieHonka opinion but even if you analyze the scenes in their own context, there is a larger social context that informs how these jokes are taken (I assume this is what SillieHonka means) and we all know that trans women are not separated from these stereotypes in the minds of the majority (this apply to the balls joke and the dressing as a girl to pick up girls part) these things don't exist in a bubble, most readers are not trans women or people who care about transmisogyny, most probably don’t even know its a word

Like I said, the manga is far from perfect. That one panel SillieHonoka keeps pointing to is certainly in bad taste, if nothing else, and the manga does the typical cagey thing of not clarifying whether Kitano is actually transfem (even though she clearly is). And there are definitely aspects of Eru's character to criticize, as I indicated previously. But castigating the manga as a whole as being nothing but transphobic is unfair, and acting like everyone who enjoys the manga is transphobic is even more unfair. I don't care about some hypothetical transphobic audience member who reads the manga. Such hypothetical readers are totally irrelevant to me and my enjoyment of the manga.

I see a lot of people constantly calling out others and saying “You can like this and accept it is problematic” but then go on and deny everything problematic or just be waaaay softer/charitable with the things they like. I simply believe that SillieHonka's position should not be debated and only ignored if some do not think alike, all of this was not necessary, just ignore it and continue talking about the chapter.

The main reason this "debate" (tbh at this point mostly a weary forum dogpiling on those who do not know when to call it quits) even started is pretty much her deliberately causing a stir and preemptively branding everyone in disagreement a transphobic bigot. (A heavy accusation that hits even harder if you're also trans.)

Ok I have to be honest, I don’t know some words she used in her first comment, but she never called anyone transphobic, she said that it doesn’t matter how much one delude themselves this manga is transphobic (her opinion). She saying everyone lets transmisogyny a pass (or doesn’t even notice it) it’s true in general.
And like, I get that being called transphobic when you are trans is sad, but this is the internet, you don’t know with who you are talking about, that goes for both sides obviously, but honestly, I prefer people assuming and latter apologizing that people always disclosing their lives in these types of arguments.

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Huh? With Vol 1 clocking in at only 5 chapters, 27 more over 3 volumes seems a lot. Do the chapters get shorter or something?

It’s a weekly shonen manga, chapters are short by default, that is why you see “48 page long” in the cover as a big announcement because it’s not common and it’s only for certain series (and even popular ones get that only from time to time)

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