Sylke perhaps you should've just listened Casusby, lol. seems like this forum had already calmed down otherwise.

I'm the one who went too far, that's actually fucking hilarious. SillieHonka I continue to hold very little, if any at all, respect towards you, and if you can believe it it's not because the fact that you're a trans woman, but I'm sure you can't believe that. I'm sure the feelings pleasantly mutual as your first reply towards me had aptly demonstrated.

yup. you really spoke truth to power, keep it up!

^ that part was blatantly racist and antiblack. I am going to respond how I should. I should have been more explicit about this but I will be now. I don't believe I said anything untoward in kind as someone white. I'm not gonna mince words and I am going to step up and shut down that mockery when I see it. That was a racist thing to say as it specifically is a phrase used by black activists and you used it to mock me first. I'm done here.

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• "genderfuck" is a very queer term actually that is employed by very queer people like me in very queer places. I'm not sure why you would think it's transphobic or fetishizing - I really dont get it.

I understand where the usage has been for a long time, I am saying this as a transfem that gets real autistic about language and changes in language, there has been a shift in people using it the way I've noted where it is less rebellious spirit, and more envy of visible transness. Same change happening with sapphic being used around trans lesbians' relationships to cis lesbians becoming more common. The word morphing into this kind of shorthand for "not entirely lesbian" is having transmisogynistic consequences of separating trans lesbians from their lesbianism. Maybe its too label obsessed but my non trans woman partner has noticed that particular pattern too.

I spent nearly a decade in the queer activists circles

This is real bizarre to me because later you position yourself above "social justice activism" and the posturing there is immediately antithetical to what queer means. In the first place I've never stated that this was the extent of my activism or activism period, or that my intent was ever fixing this site specifically I mean FFS we cant get a nonbinary tag on Pale-Blue Saudade, I am mostly here just spilling my opinion to the wind and have given up on this site being any kind of hospitable place to trans people and trans readings of text. I'd love it if I could come here and talk about my plural readings but those take a backseat when there is such pushback against the former.

• I loved prunus girl (and find Boku Girl hilarious) and I'm among the most queer transwomen you can imagine

Ah yes boku girl where the pervert crossdresser was a product of his father's sexual assault which is framed as a joke and the main characters femininity is validated by heterosexuality. And prunus girl really relied on "tr*p reveal" punchlines and the only thing halfway salvageable is its cageyness around the trans character's identity, which can be mischaritably read as nonbinary, but is really just doing the whole "there is no trans" mouthpiece thing. I feel the same way about Colorless Girl tbh which itself had to do a tremendous backpedal to get to "errr MCis only kinda nonbinary???" . Yes does it tell you the male mc isnt exactly gay, sure, but it doesnt fare well to how it treats the bodies of transfeminine people. Also lets not one-word trans man and trans woman., I know its nitpicky but that doesnt change that that is not our language and mashing them together serves a little nasty purpose.

But overall, I'd just say one thing : nuance. It's what's usually lacking in social justice activism.

All this appeal to nuance and people are still dodging the whole balls thing. Why am I seeing a panel of panties with balls stretched out over the sides like its the funniest thing ever. Just straight dysphoria bait. It'd be one thing if in context it was a doll being like fuck I popped my tuck (I have all the fire for cis queens that are too on their "dick and balls in dresses/skirts/panties or "meaty tuck" jokes, its pretty obvious it comes from a place of transphobia), but the context is transvestigation, the entitlement to knowing what is inside that article of clothing and the appeal to one bodily standard for what is worn.

So that's my nuanced view on it : it's quite bad and poorly executed, but I dont think it's transphobic either, so far. Might change my mind later.

That's the thing though is poorly executed and bad handlings of topics like disability or SA inevitably become voyeuristic/exploitative and are highly prone to expressing some kind of ableism or apologia in those cases, I don't see why trans narratives would be exempt. People will criticize Bridget and the only way I can answer is that she is allegorically an intersex trans woman, it works but it also sucks that that isn't text and that reading probably gives room for the trope of intersex ppl always having to be the contingency argument rather than full people, though in it does feel like it hits the beats the recent intersex trans fem film "Mi Señorita Querida"

I don't agree with you much SillieHonka, but I like how articulate you are, and I understand the anger. It's not blind and stupid anger, so even though I don't agree with you, I can respect that.

I at least appreciate the respect, but:

However, I agree with Scorpion and Zesc

the former did go too far and expressed an extreme level of callousness towards the topic that its more of a safer assumption they dont particular care/actively denigrate capital q Queer politic that you yourself seem conflicted in attaching yourself to.

As stated before the fire I have for other people comes from watching this pattern over and over. For the record, I am a trans woman whose favorite trans manga is Uniforms at 19, so I don't have this high sheen plastic perfection demand of representation, though I will say titles like "I want to be a cute anime girl" I will state do have their place for example (boring as those might be). My heat coming for others is just based on how hostile and destructive this genre has been for others like me and myself personally and for the resultant "community" or evolution of crossdressing into "femboy identity" and alllllll the transmisogyny involved with how 'tr*p" morphed into that term without any real examination of the transmisogyny underlining it across social medias. I think a lot of people forget the recent history there, even the "nazi femboys" which persist still, and have attempted to salvage—what to me amounts to a calculated wave of transmisogyny in the fash breeding ground that animanga has been in the last decade and a half—something against their own interests. To me it feels pretty clear when a transfem author is playing with crossdressing/femboy tropes like Sisters of Dorley or if a cis(?) author is truly listening like "Love Me for Who I Am" which excusably stumbles on the language. This manga is careening down a grassy hill in comparison. I don't want other trans people in the place I was 13 years ago, reading things like Prunus Girl and Boku Girl and trying to derive themselves or project onto media clearly interested in preserving cisness (the former less so iirc) and heterosexuality and trying to inoculate the reader against the idea of transition, dysphoria, or trans identity. I know I am a little misdirected and not being kind and patient to my younger, closeted denial self or people in a position similar to that. I know everyone has their internalized shit and yes, the fact that I gave this a chance past the first chapter is evidence of myself holding onto internalized shit in some degree. My message was primarily aimed at trans women.

Do I think this one is like, as bad as Boku Girl or other GB/CD titles, no not yet, but I think on its face the premise is barely removed from something you'd see in an h-manga (a whole other can of transmisogyny worms). That's the other part is it is doubling down on this idea that passing is easy, given its so impossible to accomplish a successful reverse transvestigation. I's been said that in this genre, especially when it has juxtaposed ugly caricatures that do assert womanhood, that this treats trans women that pass as a fantasy and those that fail to do so as a moral failure (though that part isn't in as much play given curly attempted to undesrstand, but I'd argue his character is "morally dubious, well-intentioned teen") . At it's worst, not exactly healthy stuff to put in your head but at it's best isnt as reassuring to me personally. I can totally see this manga going through dysphoria inducing reveals of "hidden masculine traits" of their girls like with the balls thing to the affect of communicating that passing is an artifice, but not in a positive or affirming way as in like most of "passing" is bullshit but passing has at least a significant role in safety. Back on the title though, a troubling formula seems to be emerging with: x character still has y, therefore not the "real girl", even if regardless of the fact that it could try and reprimand after, I don't think that's efficient or respectful storytelling to be, here's error in gratuitous detail, here's course correction, then we do it again the next two chapters. It is how kitano went and its how people defending this setup around freaking balls are perceiving it to go. I can't help but see it as the manga equivalent of quote tweeting transphobia to your trans followers. It's a destructive anger-feeding habit that I will admit still has hooks in me. It is different though when a presumed cis author is doing it though, as opposed to it being something we do to ourselves. I just dont want anyone else to go through it and thats so stupidly ironic. Darth Plageuis the goddamn transsexual.

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omfg is this whole shtick cause i said this is genderfuckery the manga??? cause if it is let me make it clear right now, no i didn't mean it in any transphobic or fetishizing way, i'm literally in the trans umbrella myself, i was just saying how every one's gender idenitity, presantation and even their sexualities are a mess it's hard to define anyone as of now, which is also apparent due to the fact this manga literally made the admins here to come up with a whole new tag to explain whatever the fuck is going on. i really hope this manga does indeed explore gender and sexuality well and not in a bigoted or fetishized way, all that's left for us to do is wait and see where it goes! i feel like most of us here are in the same page but we're not understanding each other and are mad too early...

no i was just taking an extra shot at the usage of "genderfuck" which is primarily in employ by ppl who envy trans womens dysphoria in fetishistic ways bc they feel inadequate about their own transition/transness. Thats besides the point though is there is no wait and see, it is already on the page

I don't see how you can read this manga and think that its intended lesson on crossdressing is that, actually, no one should do it. The plain reading is that boys in dresses are cute, not boys in dresses are dangerous. Eru's not great here, but he hasn't hurt anybody and I really doubt he's about to start. He literally tells us that his shtick doesn't work, and he's just going to crush on Girly for a while.

You're bringing in a lot of culture war baggage that the author is probably only vaguely aware of. This story has already hopped out of any of the neat channels that we might have expected it to follow.

"this manga is transphobic and fetishizing" in no way translates to:

this manga is negative about crossdressing and is telling people not to

Now, if you think trans lives are just an advanced form of crossdressing then dear god you need to educate yourself. the fact the manga is letting you conflate the two demonstrates it is clearly is laundering transmisogyny under the guise of "we made them sexually appealing though!1!1!1!" it is quite the opposite i think this manga would prefer transgender identity never to exist or be invoked from how it already framed kitano, it would spoil the "joke" that Girly has won their affections, it spoils the fantasy thats laid bare by every boy-in-panty shot in here. The plain reading is they are almost exclusively sexualized either as a joke or purely out of fetishization. There was an immediate crass joke about genitalia being incompatible with womens clothing in the first few pages of this chapter, remember? I'm surprised you forgot!

and no trans issues arent a culture war hang-over, we bear no responsibility for the pivot and attack on all sides we have faced, it doesnt make our issues less relevant, especially given the history of trans fetishization and transmisogyny in animanga that has been criticized by japanese trans people.

You're ignorant and youve well proven my point about desiring a languid allyship that dissolves the second there is conflict.

more nuggets of wisdom from the pinnacle of internet virtue, please, tell us more.
I think my allyship is not so easily dissolved by some internet clownery. why would I hate a whole group of people all because of some, let's face it, inane arguments for the both of us.
but of course, feel free to keep yapping about how you're better than me, than all of us. o the holiest of ally.

illiterate if you think i am an "ally" but go ahead and stare at the pictures and the picture-letters of this one all you want i guess, everyone else here is doing so without any recollection of what they mean.

yeah no this is just transphobic schlock idc how you wanna fool yourself into thinking this is that progressive or accepting

jesus fuck some of you have an endless reservoir of goodwill for proven transmisogynists/ transmisogynistic tropes bc you really dont think all too differently, just again, people want the appearance of allyship.

I didnt even get to the "preying on lesbians by presenting female" part. Classic bit of transmisogyny faced by trans lesbians.

so true or whatever, that's DEFINITELY what this work is all about, yup. you really spoke truth to power, keep it up!

i mean its just transphobic gag after transphobic gag that serve up terf strawmans about "predatory, perverse men" deceiving women, what the fuck else is it other than a TERF rag? what are you giving me to respond to here other than "im mocking a phrase popularized by BLM activists to tell everyone else to laugh alongside me at the ridiculous tr*nny." You're ignorant and youve well proven my point about desiring a languid allyship that dissolves the second there is conflict.

yeah no this is just transphobic schlock idc how you wanna fool yourself into thinking this is that progressive or accepting bc that balls joke is framed so ugly and not in a "laughing with you" way. "no balls haver would EVER wear panties... because of their big BALLS har har" also proving the point someone made about "genderfuck" being tme folks fetishizing a perceived wrongness of transfeminine bodies and wishing they could fully inhabit our bodies and lives as a final conquest of them. jesus fuck some of you have an endless reservoir of goodwill for proven transmisogynists/ transmisogynistic tropes bc you really dont think all too differently, just again, people want the appearance of allyship. I didnt even get to the "preying on lesbians by presenting female" part. Classic bit of transmisogyny faced by trans lesbians.

i mean 'gene' is in the meat of the word. its inherently a word denoting birth / family / reproduction even before it took scientific meaning. regardless i think it is important to note that abstaining from its use isn't ceding the word to bigots, but rather abstaining is refusing the spread of the ideas and beliefs underpinning the words usage by bigots. Yes, even twitch streamers (an alt right pipeline) who use it to describe non normative sexuality are freely doing the work of unsavory folks.

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probably the nazism-eugenicist roots of the word "degenerate" and the usage of the word in the last decade (esp among alt right and alt right pipeline propagandists) not being too dissimilar, flanderization notwithstanding. the exaggeration greases the wheels on "there is a lesser, detrimental kind of life/lifestyle that most be destroyed to deliver us from total ruin" that is delineated in the historical, nazi-regime usage.

i dunno yall should we add the transgender tag?

It’s tagged as transgender. I thought it was included all along.

simply being facetious about example three hundred thirty two of "trans character faces the camera and says 'im transgender / have gender dysphoria'" that continues to invite unwanted debates around said identity—not that ive seen it with this manga bc literally spells it out for the audience and its correctly tagged, but elsewhere in manga that have wielded not much less subtlety.

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i dunno yall should we add the transgender tag?

ik the trope in context is not an actual display of violence but i do still find it worrisome in bisual depiction. that said it is much stronger intention in the text to have miwas worries grounded by, "I found a woman like myself, she has shown me what womanhood can be and now I am not as troubled with my path."

just add the tag. its exhausting to see this dance again for literally the trans identity people love to go "Nuh-uh, [transfem] character could be this identity (that im conveniently not counting as trans, either)1!1!!" it is literally an umbrella term. again its this phenomenon of weirdly choosing when to treat fictional characters as real people at the same time the author is being treated as a fictional character whose intentions are totally open to interpretation. theres very clear choices made by the author that are contextualizing a trans reading being made repeatedly.

Okay y'all, this may be a hot-take but.

I don't think it's wild to have sex with someone you've been dating/married to for many years while they're drunk.

I personally don't, because I prefer not to, but I know my girlfriend has expressed several times that it would be fine and has gotten really really pouty over me not touching her while she's inebriated.

Does consent matter? Yes, always, absolutely. Can consent be revoked at any time? Yes, of course. Are there some consents which are assumed at certain times in a relationship or per relationship? Also yes. I don't ask for permission everytime I kiss my girl--that'd be odd and it's well established I'm allowed to do that. If at any point she doesn't want me to kiss her, she can say it and I won't but until then, I'm assuming I can--- that's not crazy pos rapist behavior (to quote some comments here)

Which brings us back to. They have implied or explicit permissions within their relationship and having sex with one party drunk is not an insane one after many years of partnership. Just my two cents after reading some strong opinions on Harlo.

there is a complete contextual framework you are missing. Ema has been coerced into this marriage, by hario and everyone around her, the societal mechanism of lesbophobia.. Hario has been pressuring and guilting her for lack of sex, He has used coercive tactics. The shame and guilt motivating Ema to intentionally endanger herself with one outcome in mind were deliberately stoked by Hario. That 'i am inebriated" communicates instantly and precisely one thing to Hario, at least textually, strongly indicates that this is a historical pattern in relationship. Ema may be intentionally using the alcohol purely to endure the "duties" she has been made to feel obligated to, to dull and kill her body and memory temporarily so that it can be consumed, but this is under clear duress. it is marital rape. I dont think its an untoward interpretation for her to have ritualized sexual self-harm within a relationship that is foundationally self-harm. I dont know what others here understanding of self-harm or suicidality is—I firmly believe they are intense social failures, not personal failures—but I do not think she is able to act in full agency because of people like her mother and Hario who have shaped her environment over many years.

She's drunk, full stop. Even if that wasnt abundantly clear, she talked about it in a very disembodied, passive way. It was very much implied "done to her". shes apologizing not for anything that was her choice but because she could not fight what was going to happen to her..

she needs to divorce her rapist soon. i think that warrants cheating

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oh im locked tf in

i dont actually recognize femboy as a thing really. It was derived from discourse around "tr*p" without engaging fully with the transmisogyny therein. It's not that i dont think ppl who choose the label dont exist or it doesnt help them describe their expression in some way, I just think its a wildly irresponsible word with too much history to be reclaimed at this time, particularly by TME ppl. It is still tied to a fetishized transfemininity and i think its usage in the denial aspect of capital T Transphobia is clearly outlined when people use it to minimize a perceived severity of one label or another to something more ambiguous. I mean the phrase i've literally seen be used for me reading her as a trans woman is "jumping the gun".

When "trans woman" is seen as an escalation from NB or femboy rather than something positionally distinct, I am immediately skeptical of your ability to see trans women as women. It wasnt that long ago that "drag queen" or "sissy [fetishist]" sat in the spot where NB and femboy now occupy in functional usage. Especially with the prevalence of people degendering trans women. "I didnt know if you were nonbinary or not so I used they" vs "I didnt know if you were just doing drag* or not" (a perceived acitvity of gay men). This is not me saying I dont think NB people exist or whatever, just that there are some that have transmisogynistic shit internalized that should be hashed out, not worn as a label. I couldnt imagine any world in which Xiaoyang would like that label, as there is still 'boy" in it.

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but to clarify yeah the usual pattern i have seen is it is almost always male readers that get sore about the topic in yuri media specifically or else fifteen year olds who desire "unproblematic media". While i may be hyperbolic and overgeneralizing the cut of what I meant is I think its stupid to read a chapter that so clearly depicts a woman held hostage by the heterosexual politic and be like "hrrmm this woman might be a cheater, i dont like that". It belies a deference to heterosexuality and to men, which people who are not straight cis men really do not like to hear they have. Hence, putting on the proverbial silencer with generalizing it as "men".

every so often i forget that men read yuri until good ol forum comments start getting raw around men getting cheated on by lesbians / bi women or having their relationships cease in favor of gay ones. Anyway im excited to see ohsawa yayois take on the terror and violence that marriage enforces upon queer women in small towns.

I don't know who exactly you are talking about, but I'm a woman. And I don't like cheating, regarding of the gender. What kind of comment is that, seriously? Do you implied being cheating on it less of an issue if your partner is gay/bi?

This is a yuri board, gay women can do no wrong and men are all scum and deserve less than nothing /s

unironically yes

every so often i forget that men read yuri until good ol forum comments start getting raw around men getting cheated on by lesbians / bi women or having their relationships cease in favor of gay ones. Anyway im excited to see ohsawa yayois take on the terror and violence that marriage enforces upon queer women in small towns.

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yeah pretty much my thoughts... idk what was going on with the darker bodysuit? thing? seemed more like a dicey skin tone thing

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those character designs are just a bit questionable, bordering on rather mean spirited. I hope this manga talks abt how drag houses came from ballroom houses (majority black trans women) because i think that understanding of the history is super necessary 2 how one would go about forming a drag house.

they dont get to skip over trans fem identities and go straight for more nuanced and complex identities and expressions when there is such a lack of explicitly trans fem characters. whether yall want to acknowledge it or not, leaving it ambiguous and refusing to explicitly name things either way, does oversimplify and does erase transness of all varieties. we simply are not at the place where cis authors and cis audiences can thoughtlessly play touys with far more nuanced trans identities than either party wants to honestly address.