I had no idea "chin-grab-kabedon" was a thing, even less that some fans favored it.

I'm so out of the loop.

I didn't either before this chapter. But now I know it's a thing and I favor it so...

Oh I was wondering why it was short but I see now

Naturally born lady killer who loves a natural born lady killer princess. Very unfortunate.
The fact that Iro-chan ships them doesn't surprise me though lol

Oh I sort of like Izumi and Akazawa together

Oh I sort of like Izumi and Akazawa together

Same, but to be fair, I'd ship Izumi with literally anyone so long as it means she'll stop meddling with Kanade and Nanaki.

I still think it should end up polyamorous but y'all know my inclinations. I think everything should.

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GIMME A HIGH FIVE!

Oh I sort of like Izumi and Akazawa together

Same, but to be fair, I'd ship Izumi with literally anyone so long as it means she'll stop meddling with Kanade and Nanaki.

Sorta agree with this too. She's obviously not gonna win over Nanaki, and she is kind of toxic. I hope she can move on and find someone else

Oh I sort of like Izumi and Akazawa together

Same, but to be fair, I'd ship Izumi with literally anyone so long as it means she'll stop meddling with Kanade and Nanaki.

Sorta agree with this too. She's obviously not gonna win over Nanaki, and she is kind of toxic. I hope she can move on and find someone else

Akazawa Iroha for example?

Useless chapter of useless les

I still think it should end up polyamorous but y'all know my inclinations. I think everything should.

Same!

When you're poly it's hard not to see that as a resolution to a lot of love triangles lol

I still think it should end up polyamorous but y'all know my inclinations. I think everything should.

Same!

When you're poly it's hard not to see that as a resolution to a lot of love triangles lol

I guess I just don't see it here. Neither of them have any interest in Izumi.

I still think it should end up polyamorous but y'all know my inclinations. I think everything should.

Same!

When you're poly it's hard not to see that as a resolution to a lot of love triangles lol

Polyamory end are a rare treat because it's something who can't be thrown like that to resolve a triangle with nobody hurt, might say it's even a cheap way to end a love triangle. I'm rarely a fan of polyamory ending and frankly speaking i don't see it happening here because of Izumi's attitude. I'm not sure she want to share her princess with anybody.

^ If you ask me, she should learn to cope with her princess not actually being hers, getting over it, and then finding some other girl like, for example, Iroha

I still think it should end up polyamorous but y'all know my inclinations. I think everything should.

Same!

When you're poly it's hard not to see that as a resolution to a lot of love triangles lol

Did you ever read Ephemeral Asterism off "I'll Send Her Home on the Last Train"? The ending isn't quite explicitly polyamorous but like, it's inches away from being there, and it resolves a love triangle. I'd never actually read it through before, always starting it then going "looks too angsty and it'd just make me sad" but... I read it yesterday and it was so perfect.

Akazawa Iroha for example?

You get my drift

I still think it should end up polyamorous but y'all know my inclinations. I think everything should.

Same!

When you're poly it's hard not to see that as a resolution to a lot of love triangles lol

Did you ever read Ephemeral Asterism off "I'll Send Her Home on the Last Train"? The ending isn't quite explicitly polyamorous but like, it's inches away from being there, and it resolves a love triangle. I'd never actually read it through before, always starting it then going "looks too angsty and it'd just make me sad" but... I read it yesterday and it was so perfect.

I did! And yeah, it feels like the author didn't quite think of poly as a valid conclusion even though it would've made perfect sense as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe it just comes off as a cop-out for some people? I've also seen people argue that all parties need to be into each other mutually, which isn't how it's worked out for me.

I still think it should end up polyamorous but y'all know my inclinations. I think everything should.

Same!

When you're poly it's hard not to see that as a resolution to a lot of love triangles lol

I guess I just don't see it here. Neither of them have any interest in Izumi.

I will definitely admit that it'd take a lot of work for that one. Izumi's attitude is pretty possessive, although I wonder how much of that would abate if she wasn't extremely starved for romantic attention.

Really, I think I just want Izumi to date everyone.

I personally wouldn't like a poly ending. There is always something very romantic when it's just 2 people involved. When there is a third or more persons involved, there's always the risk of someone feeling left out, or developing jealousy...

I say nay...

Izumi is better off with Azakawa. Leave Kuro and Shiro (literally Yin and Yang) for one another hehe

I still think it should end up polyamorous but y'all know my inclinations. I think everything should.

Same!

When you're poly it's hard not to see that as a resolution to a lot of love triangles lol

Did you ever read Ephemeral Asterism off "I'll Send Her Home on the Last Train"? The ending isn't quite explicitly polyamorous but like, it's inches away from being there, and it resolves a love triangle. I'd never actually read it through before, always starting it then going "looks too angsty and it'd just make me sad" but... I read it yesterday and it was so perfect.

I did! And yeah, it feels like the author didn't quite think of poly as a valid conclusion even though it would've made perfect sense as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe it just comes off as a cop-out for some people? I've also seen people argue that all parties need to be into each other mutually, which isn't how it's worked out for me.

In my experience it's really easy to fall for someone when someone you love loves them. Just makes it a lot easier for me. So even if that's not where it starts, that is where it could end up. Also, I thought Ephemeral Asterism was less not quite polyamorous and more, the author doesn't have the words or concepts needed to describe polyamory and this is what they arrived at. Reminds me of early trans works in that way, it's close, but they're kind of missing the context around how something works, so this is just what they thought of. That's just an assumption though, perhaps with no basis in reality. Anyway, in my experience a lot of people that say they don't like polyamorous endings or that it's unrealistic just kinda don't like polyamorous people and are frequently dickish about it anyway, so I usually don't bother with them. Calling it a cop-out is kinda bullshit to me, to go against decades of established tradition in order to do something different is hardly the easy or cowardly way.

Edit: also (to the other person) saying that relationships with 2 people are more romantic than polyamorous relationships, when I could count the number of manga I've read that have actual polyamory on one hand, and the number with 2 people getting together is literally every other romance manga, is just kinda being a dick about polyamorous people. It's not less romantic or less loving to love multiple people. It just isn't. You can personally dislike it, but to call it less romantic is just bias.

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Edit: also (to the other person) saying that relationships with 2 people are more romantic than polyamorous relationships, when I could count the number of manga I've read that have actual polyamory on one hand, and the number with 2 people getting together is literally every other romance manga, is just kinda being a dick about polyamorous people. It's not less romantic or less loving to love multiple people. It just isn't. You can personally dislike it, but to call it less romantic is just bias.

I'm not stating that my opinion is fact. It's just how I personally perceive it for reasons that are also personal for me. It will just never not rub me the wrong way when I imagine the possibility that someone will end up hurt.

Edit: also (to the other person) saying that relationships with 2 people are more romantic than polyamorous relationships, when I could count the number of manga I've read that have actual polyamory on one hand, and the number with 2 people getting together is literally every other romance manga, is just kinda being a dick about polyamorous people. It's not less romantic or less loving to love multiple people. It just isn't. You can personally dislike it, but to call it less romantic is just bias.

I'm not stating that my opinion is fact. It's just how I personally perceive it for reasons that are also personal for me. It will just never not rub me the wrong way when I imagine the possibility that someone will end up hurt.

Literally the entirety of human interactions give a possibility to hurt someone. I've been hurt in every relationship I've been in, the polyamorous nature of them has had nothing to do with the hurt I've received. Yes, polyamory opens up new ways for people to be hurt in relationships. So do gay relationships, where homophobia and lack of societal acceptance start hurting people, but we'd laugh someone out of the room if they said they didn't like manga where the characters ended up gay because it makes them more likely to get hurt.

Really, I think I just want Izumi to date everyone.

She would probably dating no one by the endof the day thought.

or that it's unrealistic

Not unrealistic but not very common in wetsern society. I don't think polyamory is as easy as you made it sound like. It work require a lot of work of all the parts to not fall off into jealousy as polyamory is high maintenance. In term of manga, Polyamory require also high amount of work to not feel like a cheap way to end a love triangle because the author don't know how to end it. One of recent example i have is Luminous=Blue as the polyamory ending come unannounced and fell a bit flat because it come literally in the last pages as a way to not let any of the protagonist on the side.As for this one (stay on topicat least) Izumi is too much possesive to make a polyamory work in any way. I don't see any credible approach the author can made to make it work.

I personally wouldn't like a poly ending. There is always something very romantic when it's just 2 people involved. When there is a third or more persons involved, there's always the risk of someone feeling left out, or developing jealousy...

I say nay...

Izumi is better off with Azakawa. Leave Kuro and Shiro (literally Yin and Yang) for one another hehe

I agree. And in this manga there's not even a slightest hint there will be any polyamory. Nanaki isn't into Izumi at all.

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Literally the entirety of human interactions give a possibility to hurt someone. I've been hurt in every relationship I've been in, the polyamorous nature of them has had nothing to do with the hurt I've received. Yes, polyamory opens up new ways for people to be hurt in relationships. So do gay relationships, where homophobia and lack of societal acceptance start hurting people, but we'd laugh someone out of the room if they said they didn't like manga where the characters ended up gay because it makes them more likely to get hurt.

Okay sis, I'll let you have your opinion and it's valid even if I don't agree at all with comparing it to same sex relationships between 2 consenting adults. Sorry if I sounded insensitive. I'm not too into this topic to go into it any further.

But anyway, I don't think this manga is heading into the polyamory road. And Izumi isnt that likeable either... so far from what we have seen, she is majorly manipulative