Literal translation: "For a while, I don't want to be together" (in a sense of being in the same place)

Sounds good (the double negative translation did look really awkward, I would have assumed it was a typo except for the defense).

Did a bit of reading up, I wasn't previously familiar with tai transformation verbs for desire... いたくない is transform from いる for negative desire I think (いる becomes いたい for desire then いたくない for negation)... with so much of the meaning (and word length) coming from conjugation Japanese can feel very dictionary un-friendly sometimes.

So at a certain point, I just stopped caring what happened with any of the adults in this series and just hoped for the happiness of all the teenagers. I thought maybe the manga was doing that on purpose, showing the more hopeful nature of young love and the more dirty, complicated nature of adult love. But now the flashback is showing me that this dysfunctional relationship started when all the adults were teenagers, so I guess that shoots that theory in the foot.

circamoore posted:
Did a bit of reading up, I wasn't previously familiar with tai transformation verbs for desire... いたくない is transform from いる for negative desire I think (いる becomes いたい for desire then いたくない for negation)... with so much of the meaning (and word length) coming from conjugation Japanese can feel very dictionary un-friendly sometimes.

Exactly. It's true figuring which word it is can be sometimes hard, but I think the biggest issue here was that word iru is really short and is in tier where you always remove "ru" and replace it with appropriate form, unlike where "ru" is part of conjugation. Normally "to want" is created by turning verb into "masu" form and then swapping "masu" for "tai", like iku, ikimasu, ikitai, which makes it easier to distinguish, but in case of iru, imasu, itai, it can be hard to notice at first glance.

As for her lying about meeting with Reiichi, I don't think we have enough information to know what's going on. It seems pretty unlikely they were actually having an affair, which raises questions about why she lied. Personally, I suspect pg. 21 might be the answer. The last time she pretended to be in a relationship with Reiichi it blew up in her face, so this time she wanted to pretend she had no contact with him whatsoever, so Kaoru wouldn't be mad at her. The idea that Kaoru might find out she was lying probably didn't even enter her head, assuming the whole thing wasn't entirely spur of the moment and it got any thought at all. After that, it was just more flailing when she got caught out.

A part of me wants to say she lied because she didn't want Kaoru to misunderstand and think something did happen between her and Reiichi but another part of me wants to say she's messing with her and is cheating with Reiichi. The part of me that believes the later keeps looking back to her conversation with Uta and her giving Uta Kaoru's phone knowing Kaoru would give it to her. Why lie when she knows Uta probably told Kaoru she got the phone from her?

Everyone in this story is unlikable and hopeless

As for her lying about meeting with Reiichi, I don't think we have enough information to know what's going on. It seems pretty unlikely they were actually having an affair, which raises questions about why she lied. Personally, I suspect pg. 21 might be the answer. The last time she pretended to be in a relationship with Reiichi it blew up in her face, so this time she wanted to pretend she had no contact with him whatsoever, so Kaoru wouldn't be mad at her. The idea that Kaoru might find out she was lying probably didn't even enter her head, assuming the whole thing wasn't entirely spur of the moment and it got any thought at all. After that, it was just more flailing when she got caught out.

A part of me wants to say she lied because she didn't want Kaoru to misunderstand and think something did happen between her and Reiichi but another part of me wants to say she's messing with her and is cheating with Reiichi. The part of me that believes the later keeps looking back to her conversation with Uta and her giving Uta Kaoru's phone knowing Kaoru would give it to her. Why lie when she knows Uta probably told Kaoru she got the phone from her?

This is a Heisenbergian Manga Series:

Risako has no reason to hide her present relationship with Reiichi (which is why she casually informed Uta that she was present at Kaoru’s accident when returning the phone, knowing full well that Uta would inevitably tell Kaoru) AND she simultaneously does have a reason to hide her relationship with Reiichi (which is why she lied to Kaoru about never having seen Reiichi since the wedding).

As we have seen in this forum, which one is the case for any given reading depends on the position of the observer.

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This is a Heisenbergian Manga Series:

Risako has no reason to hide her present relationship with Reiichi (which is why she casually informed Uta that she was present at Kaoru’s accident when returning the phone, knowing full well that Uta would inevitably tell Kaoru) AND she simultaneously does have a reason to hide her relationship with Reiichi (which is why she lied to Kaoru about never having seen Reiichi since the wedding).

As we have seen in this forum, which one is the case for any given reading depends on the position of the observer.

Side note: What do you mean by "Heisenbergian"? If you're referring to the physics principle, then you've used it wrong. Because in Heisenberg's principle, when you know one you can't know the other.

This is a Heisenbergian Manga Series:

Risako has no reason to hide her present relationship with Reiichi (which is why she casually informed Uta that she was present at Kaoru’s accident when returning the phone, knowing full well that Uta would inevitably tell Kaoru) AND she simultaneously does have a reason to hide her relationship with Reiichi (which is why she lied to Kaoru about never having seen Reiichi since the wedding).

As we have seen in this forum, which one is the case for any given reading depends on the position of the observer.

Side note: What do you mean by "Heisenbergian"? If you're referring to the physics principle, then you've used it wrong. Because in Heisenberg's principle, when you know one you can't know the other.

Well, right—since human beings are not theoretical concepts in physics, believing both things to be true about Risako simultaneously would be “cognitive dissonance.”

There’s a lot of that going around.

This is a Heisenbergian Manga Series:

Risako has no reason to hide her present relationship with Reiichi (which is why she casually informed Uta that she was present at Kaoru’s accident when returning the phone, knowing full well that Uta would inevitably tell Kaoru) AND she simultaneously does have a reason to hide her relationship with Reiichi (which is why she lied to Kaoru about never having seen Reiichi since the wedding).

As we have seen in this forum, which one is the case for any given reading depends on the position of the observer.

Side note: What do you mean by "Heisenbergian"? If you're referring to the physics principle, then you've used it wrong. Because in Heisenberg's principle, when you know one you can't know the other.

Well, right—since human beings are not theoretical concepts in physics, believing both things to be true about Risako simultaneously would be “cognitive dissonance.”

There’s a lot of that going around.

No, I mean if you wanted to make a reference that both things can be happening at the same time, you could use Schrödinger because it says what you described above.
I think it can actually apply in humans too. Like being happy and sad at the same time is possible for someone to feel.

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This is a Heisenbergian Manga Series:

Risako has no reason to hide her present relationship with Reiichi (which is why she casually informed Uta that she was present at Kaoru’s accident when returning the phone, knowing full well that Uta would inevitably tell Kaoru) AND she simultaneously does have a reason to hide her relationship with Reiichi (which is why she lied to Kaoru about never having seen Reiichi since the wedding).

As we have seen in this forum, which one is the case for any given reading depends on the position of the observer.

Side note: What do you mean by "Heisenbergian"? If you're referring to the physics principle, then you've used it wrong. Because in Heisenberg's principle, when you know one you can't know the other.

Well, right—since human beings are not theoretical concepts in physics, believing both things to be true about Risako simultaneously would be “cognitive dissonance.”

There’s a lot of that going around.

No, I mean if you wanted to make a reference that both things can be happening at the same time, you could use Schrödinger because it says what you described above.
I think it can actually apply in humans too. Like being happy and sad at the same time is possible for someone to feel.

Thank you for the correction regarding terminology. Any available conceptual apparatus for reconciling mutually exclusive possibilities will be extremely useful for readers of this series.

I look forward to seeing the author’s visual representation of Reiichi having an affair with Risako and Reiichi not having an affair with Risako simultaneously.

As for her lying about meeting with Reiichi, I don't think we have enough information to know what's going on. It seems pretty unlikely they were actually having an affair, which raises questions about why she lied. Personally, I suspect pg. 21 might be the answer. The last time she pretended to be in a relationship with Reiichi it blew up in her face, so this time she wanted to pretend she had no contact with him whatsoever, so Kaoru wouldn't be mad at her. The idea that Kaoru might find out she was lying probably didn't even enter her head, assuming the whole thing wasn't entirely spur of the moment and it got any thought at all. After that, it was just more flailing when she got caught out.

A part of me wants to say she lied because she didn't want Kaoru to misunderstand and think something did happen between her and Reiichi but another part of me wants to say she's messing with her and is cheating with Reiichi. The part of me that believes the later keeps looking back to her conversation with Uta and her giving Uta Kaoru's phone knowing Kaoru would give it to her. Why lie when she knows Uta probably told Kaoru she got the phone from her?

The real reason is that the story is crap but the author needs us to keep coming back for more.

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As for her lying about meeting with Reiichi, I don't think we have enough information to know what's going on. It seems pretty unlikely they were actually having an affair, which raises questions about why she lied. Personally, I suspect pg. 21 might be the answer. The last time she pretended to be in a relationship with Reiichi it blew up in her face, so this time she wanted to pretend she had no contact with him whatsoever, so Kaoru wouldn't be mad at her. The idea that Kaoru might find out she was lying probably didn't even enter her head, assuming the whole thing wasn't entirely spur of the moment and it got any thought at all. After that, it was just more flailing when she got caught out.

A part of me wants to say she lied because she didn't want Kaoru to misunderstand and think something did happen between her and Reiichi but another part of me wants to say she's messing with her and is cheating with Reiichi. The part of me that believes the later keeps looking back to her conversation with Uta and her giving Uta Kaoru's phone knowing Kaoru would give it to her. Why lie when she knows Uta probably told Kaoru she got the phone from her?

The real reason is that the story is crap but the author needs us to keep coming back for more.

Yagakimi thread is that way.

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Yagakimi thread is that way.

Lol this made me laugh

The real reason is that the story is crap but the author needs us to keep coming back for more.

Yagakimi thread is that way.

I may be misinterpreting what you're saying here, but are you implying that YagaKimi is a crap story (to your taste at least)?

The real reason is that the story is crap but the author needs us to keep coming back for more.

Yagakimi thread is that way.

I may be misinterpreting what you're saying here, but are you implying that YagaKimi is a crap story (to your taste at least)?

I would read it as, “If you want nothing to complain about, go that way.”

The real reason is that the story is crap but the author needs us to keep coming back for more.

Yagakimi thread is that way.

I may be misinterpreting what you're saying here, but are you implying that YagaKimi is a crap story (to your taste at least)?

I would read it as, “If you want nothing to complain about, go that way.”

I would read it as, people who read yagakimi consider everything else crap

The real reason is that the story is crap but the author needs us to keep coming back for more.

Yagakimi thread is that way.

I may be misinterpreting what you're saying here, but are you implying that YagaKimi is a crap story (to your taste at least)?

I would read it as, “If you want nothing to complain about, go that way.”

I would read it as, people who read yagakimi consider everything else crap

The fact that that’s a lie is a mark against that reading.

The real reason is that the story is crap but the author needs us to keep coming back for more.

Yagakimi thread is that way.

I may be misinterpreting what you're saying here, but are you implying that YagaKimi is a crap story (to your taste at least)?

I would read it as, “If you want nothing to complain about, go that way.”

I would read it as, people who read yagakimi consider everything else crap

The fact that that’s a lie is a mark against that reading.

Let me rephrase that.
Most people who read yagakimi......

The real reason is that the story is crap but the author needs us to keep coming back for more.

Yagakimi thread is that way.

I may be misinterpreting what you're saying here, but are you implying that YagaKimi is a crap story (to your taste at least)?

I would read it as, “If you want nothing to complain about, go that way.”

I would read it as, people who read yagakimi consider everything else crap

Well, I've read YagaKimi (and it's my favourite yuri, lol), but I don't consider everything else crap. Partly because there are other great yuri manga I like, but partly because I also love non-yuri stuff, like a few popular fantasy or sci-fi universes, a good several high-quality mapping series or franchises, and, of course, the great and permanently unfinished story of history.
That said, I am planning to put some yuri in season 2 of the Alternate Distant Future of the World mapping series that I'm planning to make. Anyone want some spoilers? If yes, HMU over at Dynasty Cafe.

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Raws for chapter 30 https://m.imgur.com/a/s6XcDYz
I'm really starting to not trust Reiichi and I still have my doubts about Risako. We'll have to wait for translations and what happens next to confirm things.

At the beginning I had always thought Reiichi was a nickname Kaoru gave him rather than his actual name.

Without Uta or even kuro’s side story, it’s like bleh I don’t honestly care about your could be cheating drama.

Raws for chapter 30 https://m.imgur.com/a/s6XcDYz
I'm really starting to not trust Reiichi and I still have my doubts about Risako. We'll have to wait for translations and what happens next to confirm things.

Wow. Kaoru's circumstance is frickin sad :(

Jesus Christ Karou's time in high school is pretty depressing.

At the beginning I had always thought Reiichi was a nickname Kaoru gave him rather than his actual name.

The kanji for his name are 怜一　怜 means wise - I can only assume it is ironic (一 (ichi/one) is fairly common for eldest sons).

I've just come to a realisation while reading the few last chapters (waited before reading them cuz thos cliffhangers are killing me) idk if anyone has come to this conclusion, or if it has been stated before, but I was quite proud of me lol.
What if the title of this series "my unrequited love" isn't about Uta not being able to reach kaoru, but karou that was never able to reach reiichi ...
Tbh I hope it's that so I can get my lewd yuri ending xD