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cute

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Meiling innocent

Yuibless
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Being Meiling is suffering.

Dark_Tzitzimine
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joined Dec 18, 2013

Aw not even when Sakuya is head over heels for her Meiling can catch a break.

satoremienjoyer
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Being Meiling is suffering

You beat me to it

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Narrow Escape
joined Jun 8, 2022

The opening bit with Sanae explaining which of her moms tops the other is amusing (seems they switch, good for them), but the theological implications of Kanako intentionally syncretizing a pre-existing husband with Suwako are actually intriguing, considering how gods in-setting are shaped by belief.

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joined Nov 14, 2016

Aw not even when Sakuya is head over heels for her Meiling can catch a break.

No she can't

glasswaregrass
joined May 15, 2024

The opening bit with Sanae explaining which of her moms tops the other is amusing (seems they switch, good for them), but the theological implications of Kanako intentionally syncretizing a pre-existing husband with Suwako are actually intriguing, considering how gods in-setting are shaped by belief.

I really think Suwako husband is a human tbh. She doesn't have that feeling of someone going with someone stronger or equal her. Just me saying.

joined Apr 24, 2020

The opening bit with Sanae explaining which of her moms tops the other is amusing (seems they switch, good for them), but the theological implications of Kanako intentionally syncretizing a pre-existing husband with Suwako are actually intriguing, considering how gods in-setting are shaped by belief.

To follow up on this (you personally may or may not know, but it's a fascinating topic):

The two main gods worshipped at the real life Suwa Grand Shrine are named Takeminakata (husband, also known as Suwa Grand Deity) and Yasakatome (wife).

Kanako is obviously named after Yasakatome, but takes most of her role and backstory from Takeminakata, who in the version of the legend that ZUN is obviously using invaded the Lake Suwa region and conquered it from its native gods, including one named Moriya (represented by Suwako).

This means that Kanako basically represents both sides of what in real life is a married couple of gods, while Suwako is the native god she secretly kept around. Various Touhou authors have done different takes on this, but here with risui the implication I choose to get is that Kanako is mostly Yasakatome, while Takeminakata got the credit for Kanako's work (being the man) only to end up syncretized out of the equation (because he was disturbing the yuri, I guess).

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Heres%20wakasa
joined Jul 28, 2016

I was wondering what was going on with Kanako and Suwako, so thanks for explaining that? I’m curious though, what does syncretizing mean in this context anyway? I looked it up, but I’m not sure how it works if a god syncretizes with another god or something like that.

Narrow Escape
joined Jun 8, 2022

According to Wikipedia:
"Religious syncretism is the blending of two or more religious belief systems into a new system, or the incorporation into a religious tradition of beliefs from unrelated traditions. This can occur for many reasons, and the latter scenario happens quite commonly in areas where multiple religious traditions exist in proximity and function actively in a culture, or when a culture is conquered, and the conquerors bring their religious beliefs with them, but do not succeed in entirely eradicating the old beliefs or (especially) practices."

So to sum up, it's when religious beliefs of disparate origins are blended together; often in the form of one god worshipped by a traveling people joining the pantheon of deities known in the lands they travel through, or in the instance of two separate figures of worship being conflated together into a single being. The latter is what we're discussing here

If I was to give an example of such a thing myself, this could happen in the real world if two adjacent cultures came into contact and both have say a trickster deity in their cultural zeitgeist. Some people might decide that hey, maybe they're actually the same god and start to spread that idea. Years down the road you have trouble disentangling two or more original lines of folklore that were gradually sanded down to make them being the same entity make more sense. For example if Trickster Deity A has a habit of turning into a pig in the course of his mischief, while Trickster Deity B had an affinity for birds; the later Trickster Deity AB might be depicted as a winged boar.

The difference is that in the real world these are just stories, bits of mostly oral tradition that are passed down over generations, changing as they are told over and over again. In a setting where the gods in question have their own thoughts, memories, and personhood, I feel like the notion of intentionally attempting to shape the religious canon (which will in time reshape the god itself to match) takes on more of a sinister tilt.

Consequently, that actually makes sense to me as the sort of scheme that the ever-ambitious Kanako might come up with to deal with a stubborn native deity who has made herself indispensable to the continued prosperity of her lands. Best case scenario for her: either she or the mentioned husband incorporate the legends of taming the Mishaguji into their own folklore while the god of Moriya is forgotten. Evidently, that is not how that gambit played out.

All that being said even in Risui's version (of Zun's version) of events the only thing pointing to any of what I just said being even kinda relevant is that offhand "Get Syncretizin'" in one panel of a chapter that wasn't focusing on them. But it piques the curiosity nonetheless.

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Kebaaaaaab. Chiyari's a real one, accepted in Spain

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Poor Meiling lol

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Will they ever release a physical copy? I thought I saw a promotion for one, but none are available for purchase as far as I can see.

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