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wtf is this series about? too much hetero going on. has anyone read up ahead? is this ACTUALLY yuri with romance between two women? is it gonna end in a het ending? or is it one of those let's showcase a lot of hetero stories and show as little yuri as possible until the very last panel?

543633_50
joined Sep 10, 2022

wtf is this series about? too much hetero going on. has anyone read up ahead? is this ACTUALLY yuri with romance between two women? is it gonna end in a het ending? or is it one of those let's showcase a lot of hetero stories and show as little yuri as possible until the very last panel?

It's a series about romance and a teacher asked to help people. So it'll have a bunch of different romances of all types, as well as a lot of problem solving. The main couple is gay, as you can see from the first 2 chapters and that's part of the author's focus (and they aren't the only ones). I get wanting only one thing but it's not abnormal or weird to have a variety of relationship types in a series about relationships, both platonic and romantic.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

wtf is this series about? too much hetero going on. has anyone read up ahead? is this ACTUALLY yuri with romance between two women? is it gonna end in a het ending? or is it one of those let's showcase a lot of hetero stories and show as little yuri as possible until the very last panel?

I've never read a series like that. What would be an example of one?

joined Apr 10, 2023

It's a series about romance and a teacher asked to help people. So it'll have a bunch of different romances of all types, as well as a lot of problem solving. The main couple is gay, as you can see from the first 2 chapters and that's part of the author's focus (and they aren't the only ones). I get wanting only one thing but it's not abnormal or weird to have a variety of relationship types in a series about relationships, both platonic and romantic.

got it. thank you for the warning, sir. I'll put it in the "not yuri" list and just forget it. also glad someone pointed out the cover image. it's clearly a man pushing her down and she's blushing.

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joined Sep 10, 2022

It's a series about romance and a teacher asked to help people. So it'll have a bunch of different romances of all types, as well as a lot of problem solving. The main couple is gay, as you can see from the first 2 chapters and that's part of the author's focus (and they aren't the only ones). I get wanting only one thing but it's not abnormal or weird to have a variety of relationship types in a series about relationships, both platonic and romantic.

got it. thank you for the warning, sir. I'll put it in the "not yuri" list and just forget it. also glad someone pointed out the cover image. it's clearly a man pushing her down and she's blushing.

This is still a yuri series. But you're free to not read it.

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joined Jan 14, 2020

got it. thank you for the warning, sir. I'll put it in the "not yuri" list and just forget it. also glad someone pointed out the cover image. it's clearly a man pushing her down and she's blushing.

  • author calls it yuri
  • author shows yuri relationship and sexual activity
  • you call it not yuri

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joined Oct 19, 2023

No, but you see, only men are allowed to wear blue shirts with cuffs and have short, unpainted nails

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

No, but you see, only men are allowed to wear blue shirts with cuffs and have short, unpainted nails

Our MC's nails are also unpainted and short, and the shirt color doesn't matter. It's not about gender stereotypes, the hand is somewhat larger and given the size of our cast members so far it's entirely possible it belongs to one of the men. Possibly the guy that's "joking" around with her. Maybe the concern is completely wrong and that is a woman's hand. I don't think the concern is unfounded because the direction of the series is confusing right now. Some people are convinced that it is and will remain lesbian focused, others are concerned it will steer away from that and focus more on a male love interest angle in the future. Presently with the 3 chapters that are translated on Dynasty we don't know where the series will go, so we'll just have to see what happens.

543633_50
joined Sep 10, 2022

No, but you see, only men are allowed to wear blue shirts with cuffs and have short, unpainted nails

Our MC's nails are also unpainted and short, and the shirt color doesn't matter. It's not about gender stereotypes, the hand is somewhat larger and given the size of our cast members so far it's entirely possible it belongs to one of the men. Possibly the guy that's "joking" around with her. Maybe the concern is completely wrong and that is a woman's hand. I don't think the concern is unfounded because the direction of the series is confusing right now. Some people are convinced that it is and will remain lesbian focused, others are concerned it will steer away from that and focus more on a male love interest angle in the future. Presently with the 3 chapters that are translated on Dynasty we don't know where the series will go, so we'll just have to see what happens.

The author has talked about the series though and we've posted that a few times, so I don't see the worry still.

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joined Feb 24, 2015

Good lord this could all be fixed if the teacher had a spine. Also these kids have seemingly no respect for the teacher whatsoever. I hope this gets fixed asap

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

No, but you see, only men are allowed to wear blue shirts with cuffs and have short, unpainted nails

Our MC's nails are also unpainted and short, and the shirt color doesn't matter. It's not about gender stereotypes, the hand is somewhat larger and given the size of our cast members so far it's entirely possible it belongs to one of the men. Possibly the guy that's "joking" around with her. Maybe the concern is completely wrong and that is a woman's hand. I don't think the concern is unfounded because the direction of the series is confusing right now. Some people are convinced that it is and will remain lesbian focused, others are concerned it will steer away from that and focus more on a male love interest angle in the future. Presently with the 3 chapters that are translated on Dynasty we don't know where the series will go, so we'll just have to see what happens.

The author has talked about the series though and we've posted that a few times, so I don't see the worry still.

Personally I think the tone of the series is weirdly uncomfortable and off putting at the moment, and that present tone paints the cover in an uncomfortable light in my opinion. Yeah you're telling me that the author promises it will be lesbian focused, the tags are saying it will be, and you're trying to reassure people which is appreciated. I just can't shake the feeling until we see where series goes as it gets translated and more chapters release. Maybe that's just me, but I am trying to remain open as I said with "we'll just have to see what happens".

joined Jan 14, 2020

The cover looks more like "possible rape attempt" than like romance.

The series is uncomfortable. MC is a punching bag at school and in a likely toxic (but yuri) relationship at home.

Something can be pure yuri and still very uncomfortable. (Detached Relationship. Various "no, she does end up dead" yuri.)

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

The cover looks more like "possible rape attempt" than like romance.

The series is uncomfortable. MC is a punching bag at school and in a likely toxic (but yuri) relationship at home.

Something can be pure yuri and still very uncomfortable. (Detached Relationship. Various "no, she does end up dead" yuri.)

I'm well aware that any story regardless of sexuality can be any amount of toxic or wholesome. My point is just that cover after the 3rd chapter strikes me as possibly one of the guys pinning her own, and it's uncomfortable. People think I'm wrong and that's fine, I'm just sharing what I think and maybe I am wrong. Again, we'll see what happens.

CreamyDesk19
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joined Jan 22, 2022

What in the clusterfck

Eterna%20rinebow%20small
joined Oct 20, 2017

The cover looks more like "possible rape attempt" than like romance.

The series is uncomfortable. MC is a punching bag at school and in a likely toxic (but yuri) relationship at home.

Something can be pure yuri and still very uncomfortable. (Detached Relationship. Various "no, she does end up dead" yuri.)

Wouldn't the choice of cover image be even more absurd for a supposed yuri manga if it depicted the female main character being straight up assaulted by a character of ambiguous gender?

This creator decided that the audience's first impression with this story should be the female main character being pushed on the floor by a character of unclear gender. I don't think it's unreasonable to make inferences based on this (in combination with the overwhelming presence of heterosexuality others and I have pointed out before), e.g. that F/F is at the very least not going to be the principal relationship type in this story.

A Detached Relationship is a disturbing read, but if you look at discussions about it, nobody questions whether it's yuri or not. Of course lesbian media can be weird/gross/disturbing/toxic/etc., but if you actually interact with that kind of content, the general pattern is that mistreatment by female characters is presented as hot, fun, or at least interesting, while mistreatment by male characters (if that sort of thing is depicted at all) is presented as something that just kind of sucks. F/F relationships and dynamics are 'prioritized' over heterosexuality, even when said F/F relationships and dynamics are unhealthy/unethical. When lesbian media depicts the encroachment of heterosexuality on the female protagonist, it tends to treat it as a bad thing, not as neutral or "wow isn't that just crazy".

I'm not saying that the main character here is necessarily heading for a straight endgame. But the vibes are deeply unusual (in a way that has nothing to do with "toxic yuri") and I don't find the main character serving as a punching bag to straight people novel or interesting; I don't see any indication that it's in service of anything other than indulging a straight audience.

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joined Aug 29, 2019

Personally I think the tone of the series is weirdly uncomfortable and off putting at the moment [...]

Good, that means it's working as intended. (in my view)

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joined Oct 20, 2017

Personally I think the tone of the series is weirdly uncomfortable and off putting at the moment [...]

Good, that means it's working as intended. (in my view)

I invite any of you guys to explain what the reader is intended to take away from all the extremely banal straggotry the main character keeps enduring, with literally no narrative pushback so far, beyond "lol that's crazy" or "hear me out guys".

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543633_50
joined Sep 10, 2022

Personally I think the tone of the series is weirdly uncomfortable and off putting at the moment [...]

Good, that means it's working as intended. (in my view)

I invite any of you guys to explain what the reader is intended to take away from all the extremely banal straggotry the main character keeps enduring, with literally no narrative pushback so far, beyond "lol that's crazy" or "hear me out guys".

I think it'll be easier to let the chapters come out and speak for themselves. Beyond what's already been said about the authors words, there's not much else. The authors Twitter does not hide the yuri focus at all but other characters will have their own relationships and those will not all be yuri.

That image is also not the only one used for the series and isn't the volume cover. The other major images and sketches are between our main couple and the volume 1 cover is of them as well (with Kaede holding the back of Nami's head, going for a kiss).

I also don't think there have been weird vibes either besides that in this series she's apparently supposed to be a problem solver and is running into various problems to solve.

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joined Aug 29, 2019

Personally I think the tone of the series is weirdly uncomfortable and off putting at the moment [...]

Good, that means it's working as intended. (in my view)

I invite any of you guys to explain what the reader is intended to take away from all the extremely banal straggotry the main character keeps enduring, with literally no narrative pushback so far, beyond "lol that's crazy" or "hear me out guys".

I am not sure what you mean. Our main character is a meek pushover lacking people skills and self-confidence. Narratively we're still setting up the mess her inability to speak up gets her into. We're not at the "solving" or "growth" portion yet, we're in the early stages of rising plot.

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joined Oct 20, 2017

I also don't think there have been weird vibes either besides that in this series she's apparently supposed to be a problem solver and is running into various problems to solve.

Did you miss that the "problem solver" role was foisted on her because she's routinely slut shamed at her workplace? Or the part where a bunch of students cornered her and accused her of all sorts of shit because someone spread rumors about her and that male teacher?

This manga seems to be about an ostensibly queer woman doing unpaid work managing the relationships of straight people at her workplace, while getting nothing but disrespect and humiliation in return. While such a premise has potential on paper, this manga does not treat this woman's situation with the weight it deserves. It does not try to spin a suspenseful, thrilling, or even a funny story out of it. And the way it's set up now, the only plot hook I can discern is that if she solves enough mysteries, the harassment will stop and everyone will love her.

In other words, this manga depicts a grossly misogynistic and hostile workplace, but instead of any indication that the story will challenge the actual problems with that, the protagonist's journey looks like it will be about doing unpaid labor "solving mysteries", for the benefit of the most deeply unsympathetic people ever, until the problem magically goes away.

It's possible that the main character's journey will instead be about growing a backbone and learning to say no, but that kind of conflicts with the mystery-solving thing (since growing a backbone means saying no to the mystery-solving crap), and shifting all of the blame on her for her mistreatment would be all kinds of gross anyway.

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543633_50
joined Sep 10, 2022

I also don't think there have been weird vibes either besides that in this series she's apparently supposed to be a problem solver and is running into various problems to solve.

Did you miss that the "problem solver" role was foisted on her because she's routinely slut shamed at her workplace? Or the part where a bunch of students cornered her and accused her of all sorts of shit because someone spread rumors about her and that male teacher?

This manga seems to be about an ostensibly queer woman forced to manage the relationships of straight people at her workplace, while getting nothing but disrespect and humiliation in return. That is a pretty fucked up situation, and while it would be a premise brimming with potential on paper, this manga does not seem to treat it with any weight.

In other words, this manga depicts a grossly misogynistic and hostile workplace, but with the tone of a slice-of-life series. You really don't think that's weird?

It’s been 3 chapters. That's a lot to say so early into a series and I don't really agree. I'd hope this series doesn't get the same odd treatment "Boys Gilding the Lily Shall Die!?" got here. People can get very hostile very quickly, even for otherwise very good and very popular yuri series. Give it and the author a little bit of grace.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

I also don't think there have been weird vibes either besides that in this series she's apparently supposed to be a problem solver and is running into various problems to solve.

Did you miss that the "problem solver" role was foisted on her because she's routinely slut shamed at her workplace? Or the part where a bunch of students cornered her and accused her of all sorts of shit because someone spread rumors about her and that male teacher?

This manga seems to be about an ostensibly queer woman doing unpaid work managing the relationships of straight people at her workplace, while getting nothing but disrespect and humiliation in return. While such a premise has potential on paper, this manga does not treat this woman's situation with the weight it deserves. It does not try to spin a suspenseful, thrilling, or even a funny story out of it. And the way it's set up now, the only plot hook I can discern is that if she solves enough mysteries, the harassment will stop and everyone will love her.

In other words, this manga depicts a grossly misogynistic and hostile workplace, but instead of any indication that the story will challenge the actual problems with that, the protagonist's journey looks like it will be about doing unpaid labor "solving mysteries", for the benefit of the most deeply unsympathetic people ever, until the problem magically goes away.

It's possible that the main character's journey will instead be about growing a backbone and learning to say no, but that kind of conflicts with the mystery-solving thing (since growing a backbone means saying no to the mystery-solving crap), and shifting all of the blame on her for her mistreatment would be all kinds of gross anyway.

That’s quite a lot of dire prediction on the basis of very little textual evidence/plot development.

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It's possible that the main character's journey will instead be about growing a backbone and learning to say no, but that kind of conflicts with the mystery-solving thing (since growing a backbone means saying no to the mystery-solving crap), and shifting all of the blame on her for her mistreatment would be all kinds of gross anyway.

I don't see where you got the idea that mystery solving will be a major focus of this. Aside from the mystery "how do I get rid of these allegations/rumors without exposing my girlfriend".

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joined Aug 12, 2021

man... I kind of hate how extremely motivated the arguments that this series will somehow turn out straight are.

LIke, if we have literal confirmation the story is coworker yuri. and Nami is literally wearing a shirt with sleeves IDENTICAL to the sleeves of the mystery person pushing Kaede down on the cover.

and I know this doesn't help, I know I'm just adding to the pile here, but like, at this point I'd rather just wait until chapter 4 is released because the goalposts of proving the series isn't secretly het keep moving.

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joined Oct 20, 2017

also don't think there have been weird vibes either besides that in this series she's apparently supposed to be a problem solver and is running into various problems to solve.

Did you miss that the "problem solver" role was foisted on her because she's routinely slut shamed at her workplace? Or the part where a bunch of students cornered her and accused her of all sorts of shit because someone spread rumors about her and that male teacher?

This manga seems to be about an ostensibly queer woman forced to manage the relationships of straight people at her workplace, while getting nothing but disrespect and humiliation in return. That is a pretty fucked up situation, and while it would be a premise brimming with potential on paper, this manga does not seem to treat it with any weight.

In other words, this manga depicts a grossly misogynistic and hostile workplace, but with the tone of a slice-of-life series. You really don't think that's weird?

It’s been 3 chapters. That's a lot to say so early into a series and I don't really agree. I'd hope this series doesn't get the same odd treatment "Boys Gilding the Lily Shall Die!?" got here. People can get very hostile very quickly, even for otherwise very good and very popular yuri series. Give it and the author a little bit of grace.

Well, you said you sensed no weird vibes, and in response I tried to put it into words what I find strange about the series so far. And I know that plot twists are a thing, but making some inferences about what the series will be about is not a knee-jerk reaction if we're already 85 pages in. If I'm wrong and the series eventually manages to develop some stakes and tension, crack one decent joke, cough up a single character that acts like a human being, and at least nominally gesture at the actual issues with this environment, I will be humbled but happy. But for now, personally, I get the vibe of an entirely pointless humiliation ritual of a female teacher.

I wasn't sarcastic: I really do invite people to point out potential foreshadowing of some kind of reckoning to look forward to. To identify any hint that this miserable quest will pay off in a non-sexist way. ("She finally grows a spine" is a hollow payoff if the story does not reckon with the misogyny.) I think it's reasonable to hope for something like this halfway through the first volume, given that this series is not adapted from a novel and has a relatively simple premise. In most other manga I would take a few pages of problematic lesbianism at the end of each chapter as a good sign, but the rest of the story here is so mind numbingly Mari-Okada-core that yuri crumbs are not enough to make up for it.

I don't see where you got the idea that mystery solving will be a major focus of this. Aside from the mystery "how do I get rid of these allegations/rumors without exposing my girlfriend".

Mystery-solving was meant to be a catch-all for the protagonist handing out love advice to students, resolving conflicts between students/teachers, and fighting the slut-shaming and other allegations people throw at her.

man... I kind of hate how extremely motivated the arguments that this series will somehow turn out straight are.

What is actually unfair is that even the slightest concern about the intentions of a series is received as an attack on the very character of the author. Hell, I haven't even mentioned a potential het endgame in a while, I have been mostly talking about misogyny in my last few posts. I would not be running my mouth so much if I was just "afraid of het" or whatever. I didn't think I would have to clarify this, but the way people treat the main character at this school would be uncomfortable to witness even if she was straight and uninvolved with that female teacher. The main thing that her being queer changes is that the manga was uploaded here and I learned about it.

Anyway, I'm shutting up now. May the future chapters bring some answers.

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