Orchestra csan be louder than a rock band so should be possible

They're gonna play "Concerto for Group and Orchestra" (Deep Purple and the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra), aren't they?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a45ZL2fhX-M

Very few bands can mix orchestra with rock and have it sound natural.

Very few bands can mix orchestra with rock and have it sound natural.

Composers like Morricone and bands like Manowar, Iron Maiden, Deep Purple, Baron Rojo, Feuerschwanz, Nightwish and many others disagree with your assesment, my friend. It's been done a lot of times and usually it is awesome.

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I think my first live concert was going to The Moody Blues with a pit orchestra as a child. Days of Future Passed was recorded with an orchestra. More recently Muse comes to mind. It all sounds natural to me. Maybe I’ve just avoided the disaster ones.

The POV of Japanese teens and a Japanese audience on this as a novelty might be very different. It is entertaining so far at least.

Very few bands can mix orchestra with rock and have it sound natural.

It depends what you mean by "orchestra" tbh, plenty of bands have a violin and other more "orchestral" instruments playing that slap. If you actually just have an orchestra playing and then have some lead guitar and a person singing a rock song then it usually doesn't work, but there are a few exceptions.

Just saying... those musical illiterates (both characters and, maaaaybe, the mangaka) who say that the guitar is not "refined" nor "noble"; somebody should smash them over the head with the collected works of the maestro Joaquín Rodrigo, 1st Marquess of the Gardens of Aranjuez.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oxH-7VklBI

That shouldn't be much of surprise, since guitars are about three centuries older than violins. That's a lot of time to develop traditions and cultural cachet.

I'm starting to wonder how much her father would actually care. Ririsa and her mother obviously think it's important, but it makes sense that they'd be overly sensitive and careful with that sort of thing. Similarly, it makes sense that the younger sister thinks its important, because she's young, personally values the violin, and is looking for flaws she can use to try and drive off her new family. However, in the grand scheme of things, there's nothing wrong with playing the guitar, even in classy settings, so I'd expect the father to care more about some combination of the style of music, type of guitar, and level of success, rather than the specific instrument.

I'm also a bit curious about how the various characters would feel about a more traditionally Japanese option, like the shamisen. They seem to be a more western-styled family, but its traditional origins and presentation definitely lend it an air of dignity. At the same time, shamisen's can also go extremely hard. I mean, basically any instrument can (electric violins are a thing), but rock is a much smaller leap for the shamisen. Also, yes, that is a violin with frets.

Edit: Since I mentioned electric violins, here's a metal violin cover of the Fallout theme, for reference. (The metal/electric portion starts at about the 50 second mark.)

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Just saying... those musical illiterates (both characters and, maaaaybe, the mangaka) who say that the guitar is not "refined" nor "noble"; somebody should smash them over the head with the collected works of the maestro Joaquín Rodrigo, 1st Marquess of the Gardens of Aranjuez.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oxH-7VklBI

That shouldn't be much of surprise, since guitars are about three centuries older than violins. That's a lot of time to develop traditions and cultural cachet.

I fear it's more a matter of the guitar being seen as a "popular" instrument (despite masters like Rodrigo proving that full-blown orchestra-based classic music can be written for it) and the violin is seen as "not a popular" instrument (despite there even existing a word in English for a violinist specialized in popular music, "fiddler").
Such is life.
Want it WORSE? Japan is well-known for classical composers doing work for full orchestras and electric guitar. I know that this piece from the master Keiki Kobayashi is a videogame piece, but it suffices as an example of the genre.

Very few bands can mix orchestra with rock and have it sound natural.

Composers like Morricone and bands like Manowar, Iron Maiden, Deep Purple, Baron Rojo, Feuerschwanz, Nightwish and many others disagree with your assesment, my friend. It's been done a lot of times and usually it is awesome.

Nightwish is overrated.
Therion, Haggard, Moody Blues, Electric Light Orchestra, Rhapsody (of Fire) make it sound great. The statement still stands that few bands can make it natural.

Just saying... those musical illiterates (both characters and, maaaaybe, the mangaka) who say that the guitar is not "refined" nor "noble"; somebody should smash them over the head with the collected works of the maestro Joaquín Rodrigo, 1st Marquess of the Gardens of Aranjuez.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oxH-7VklBI

That shouldn't be much of surprise, since guitars are about three centuries older than violins. That's a lot of time to develop traditions and cultural cachet.

I fear it's more a matter of the guitar being seen as a "popular" instrument (despite masters like Rodrigo proving that full-blown orchestra-based classic music can be written for it) and the violin is seen as "not a popular" instrument (despite there even existing a word in English for a violinist specialized in popular music, "fiddler").
Such is life.

I feel like it has more to do with the fact that rock music has (generally) leaned towards "counter cultural", whereas classical music is more "traditional", for lack of a better term.

I'm not exactly a rocket musicologist though, so I'm not all that well-informed about the subject.

SushiKnight posted:

Just saying... those musical illiterates (both characters and, maaaaybe, the mangaka) who say that the guitar is not "refined" nor "noble"; somebody should smash them over the head with the collected works of the maestro Joaquín Rodrigo, 1st Marquess of the Gardens of Aranjuez.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oxH-7VklBI

That shouldn't be much of surprise, since guitars are about three centuries older than violins. That's a lot of time to develop traditions and cultural cachet.

I fear it's more a matter of the guitar being seen as a "popular" instrument (despite masters like Rodrigo proving that full-blown orchestra-based classic music can be written for it) and the violin is seen as "not a popular" instrument (despite there even existing a word in English for a violinist specialized in popular music, "fiddler").
Such is life.

I feel like it has more to do with the fact that rock music has (generally) leaned towards "counter cultural", whereas classical music is more "traditional", for lack of a better term.

I'm not exactly a rocket musicologist though, so I'm not all that well-informed about the subject.

Rock is much newer and has roots in jazz. By the same token, it also originally came from music produced by black people in the US that was later adopted by white performers due to its popularity.

With that said, guitars don't need to play rock and rock doesn't need to be played with guitars.