I was expecting some change, but this is still ridiculous, it looks like the plot of an NTR but without the infidelity.

Oh man I'm hooked on this story! can't wait for more chapters!!!

Holy s- now that masumi know shes hurting satoko
I cant wait for next chapter

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...sooooo, back to the manga at hand... this is was a pretty brutal chapter, wasn't it? They are really reaping the results of their poor boundaries. I'm really glad they pointed out how cruel Masumi is being--thanks to her inability to face her emotions, she's basically using Satoko's desperation and heartbreak for sex without accepting the responsibility of committing... and Satoko really, really drops the ball here. It's like the author is giving in-universe consequences for what we previously thought was just hentai plot contrivance: this weird relationship based on Satoko pushing Masumi's boundaries to get sex and Masumi not taking a stand one way or another has realistic results. And the whole part about the "even though you were saying no" seems like a critique of the hentai trope of the character saying "no" just for the aesthetic and removal of responsibility for engaging in sex.

...y'all, could this story be evolving into something much greater? It looks like it's switching from (really well done) trope-y porn, to a critique of those tropes and what they actually mean in the real world. This is getting so interesting.
Sorry but what? How the fuck is Masumi being cruel? She was just raped. Shes been sleeping with Satoko, HER NIECE, because it's what Satoko wanted, which is already comically unrealistic. In fact when masumi first conceded to Satokos proposition I thought it was dumb as hell but brushed it off as bad hentai plot. Satoko has never respected her boundaries once so far even after Masumi has already given her what she wanted.

Masumis inner conflict about the situation is hers to deal with alone, nothing justifies Satoko constantly being unable to take no for an answer and forcing herself on Masumi.

It's very very common in all hentai to fetishize violating women's boundaries when they say no so this is largely glossed over. Like you said, I'm glad that at least in this chapter, it seemed to actually highlight that rape isnt fun or sexy, it's actually very damaging and traumatic. In no way in hell is Masumi being cruel nor is she to blame for anything that Satoko does to her. Satoko is a twisted fucking degenerate and is entirely responsible for her forceful actions and coercion. And yes Satoko is 18. Legally an adult, globally.

Qué basura acabo de leer en serio. Las cosas estaban relativamente bien con este manga hasta este capítulo, literalmente la acaba de violar y ahora seguramente lo harán pasar como un simple drama y seguirán cogiendo en el próximo capítulo. Un asco, no era tan malo pero tenían que arruinarlo con esta mierda, no me sorprende

First off, non consensual sex is rape, and that's a no-go in all cases.

Secondly, I do understand that both characters are flawed-- from Satoko's pov, Masumi is seemingly using her for sex without responding back to her feelings. That can be traumatizing and damaging for Satoko as well, even if she willinging allows, or even instigates these situations.

Masumi is mainly confused, but Satoko extremely oversteps in this chapter. Like most fictional and non fictional conflicts, actual communication could have avoided all this. But no, they sub talking with sex, so ofc they're confused and misunderstanding each other...

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...sooooo, back to the manga at hand... this is was a pretty brutal chapter, wasn't it? They are really reaping the results of their poor boundaries. I'm really glad they pointed out how cruel Masumi is being--thanks to her inability to face her emotions, she's basically using Satoko's desperation and heartbreak for sex without accepting the responsibility of committing... and Satoko really, really drops the ball here. It's like the author is giving in-universe consequences for what we previously thought was just hentai plot contrivance: this weird relationship based on Satoko pushing Masumi's boundaries to get sex and Masumi not taking a stand one way or another has realistic results. And the whole part about the "even though you were saying no" seems like a critique of the hentai trope of the character saying "no" just for the aesthetic and removal of responsibility for engaging in sex.

...y'all, could this story be evolving into something much greater? It looks like it's switching from (really well done) trope-y porn, to a critique of those tropes and what they actually mean in the real world. This is getting so interesting.
Sorry but what? How the fuck is Masumi being cruel? She was just raped. Shes been sleeping with Satoko, HER NIECE, because it's what Satoko wanted, which is already comically unrealistic. In fact when masumi first conceded to Satokos proposition I thought it was dumb as hell but brushed it off as bad hentai plot. Satoko has never respected her boundaries once so far even after Masumi has already given her what she wanted.

Masumis inner conflict about the situation is hers to deal with alone, nothing justifies Satoko constantly being unable to take no for an answer and forcing herself on Masumi.

It's very very common in all hentai to fetishize violating women's boundaries when they say no so this is largely glossed over. Like you said, I'm glad that at least in this chapter, it seemed to actually highlight that rape isnt fun or sexy, it's actually very damaging and traumatic. In no way in hell is Masumi being cruel nor is she to blame for anything that Satoko does to her. Satoko is a twisted fucking degenerate and is entirely responsible for her forceful actions and coercion. And yes Satoko is 18. Legally an adult, globally.

An additional note, this happens with men a fair amount as well. Sometimes hetero, but especially Yaoi. From what I know, women's boundaries being violated is most common in Hetero works, while men's boundaries being violated is most common in Yaoi. Media with boundary problems is also global, we get things like 50 Shades from America, 365 days from Poland, and so fourth. Not to get super off topic here, apologies if I am.

I am curious how much this author will actually delve into the trauma and the like. Hopefully it's handled well as we progress forward. It would be interesting if this author does address this topic, as we often don't see it addressed in works (like 50 Shades/365 Days), and instead authors often try to romanticize it.

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Oof should've read the rape tag. This is why even if you don't have kinky sex, it's best to establish a safe word. When "no" is used as "yes" instead then you really gotta have that safe word or else consent gets really blurred. Stay safe kids~

Oh, I wasn't expecting this... hmmm, I hope things will get resolved in a proper manner.

Masumi better not apologize.

This is just straight up hentai, I don't get why do we have to dig deeper and think logically about this lmao. I'm still enjoying this tho.

Nice. I am interested in seeing how this will turn out

Cancel culture on dynasty. Yikes.

I don't think "I don't like this, it makes me uncomfortable" is cancel culture tbh. Maybe I missed the people asking for the series to be removed or the artist to be punished, though.

Please more of this serie! This conflict is getting interesting! Thanks for the translation!

Oof should've read the rape tag. This is why even if you don't have kinky sex, it's best to establish a safe word. When "no" is used as "yes" instead then you really gotta have that safe word or else consent gets really blurred. Stay safe kids~

Agreed.
My favourite safewords are "no" and "stop" personally.

Not to denigrate people who like to RP in bed and want to act out bad boy/bad girl fantasies, but I think casually having "no" not be "no" in this situation (as we so very often see in Japanese adult content, though not only there) without clarifying that beforehand is not healthy.

Cancel culture on dynasty. Yikes.

I dont think you know what that means lol. Saying you're uncomfortable with a chapter in a hentai series is an opinion, no one is being silenced.

Cancel culture on dynasty. Yikes.

I dont think you know what that means lol. Saying you're uncomfortable with a chapter in a hentai series is an opinion, no one is being silenced.

^Tell that to allahgeprezen who was banned for having an opinion.

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...sooooo, back to the manga at hand... this is was a pretty brutal chapter, wasn't it? They are really reaping the results of their poor boundaries. I'm really glad they pointed out how cruel Masumi is being--thanks to her inability to face her emotions, she's basically using Satoko's desperation and heartbreak for sex without accepting the responsibility of committing... and Satoko really, really drops the ball here. It's like the author is giving in-universe consequences for what we previously thought was just hentai plot contrivance: this weird relationship based on Satoko pushing Masumi's boundaries to get sex and Masumi not taking a stand one way or another has realistic results. And the whole part about the "even though you were saying no" seems like a critique of the hentai trope of the character saying "no" just for the aesthetic and removal of responsibility for engaging in sex.

...y'all, could this story be evolving into something much greater? It looks like it's switching from (really well done) trope-y porn, to a critique of those tropes and what they actually mean in the real world. This is getting so interesting.

Masumis inner conflict about the situation is hers to deal with alone, nothing justifies Satoko constantly being unable to take no for an answer and forcing herself on Masumi.

Hard agree! I didn't realize when I was writing this how those two points seemed to come together, but I was totally not trying to imply that any of Masumi's actions justified or were responsible for her treatment. That's not how any of that works, and ty for pointing that out!

What I was talking about w/regards to Masumi is that they seemed to be having a hentai-typical plot-extending trope going on where Satoko is in love with Masumi and Masumi is like, "we can keep having sex, but I'm not going to tell you how I actually feel," and that undefined relationship status, especially when someone is yearning for a really long time, gets super fucked up. It's often used so that the authors can maintain the stakes of whether a relationship will happen, but I thought it was cool that this work seemed to be investing in showing how that actually takes a toll on the people involved. There's also the fact that not talking about or respecting boundaries is a super common trope in porn stories, usually also to raise the tension, and this is showing how that hurts and twists people's feelings. And then there's the "no means no" part as well.

I meant to point out how each of these tropes, it looks like the author is playing them straight now and dicussing the consequences--I totally did not mean to imply that any part of this justifies any other part.

Cancel culture on dynasty. Yikes.

I dont think you know what that means lol. Saying you're uncomfortable with a chapter in a hentai series is an opinion, no one is being silenced.

^Tell that to allahgeprezen who was banned for having an opinion.

I'm not interested in getting into an argument here but that's pretty clearly a mischaracterization of what happened and why.

im speechless bcs this is the most LOVELY manga i ever read! i mean im the type who loves long/blacked hair manga girl. I hope Ms/Mr Titiduki makes alot of this manga soon!⁄(⁄ ⁄•⁄ω⁄•⁄ ⁄)⁄
that's all from me<3 ja ne!

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im speechless bcs this is the most LOVELY manga i ever read! i mean im the type who loves long/blacked hair manga girl. I hope Ms/Mr Titiduki makes alot of this manga soon!
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I agree, Masumi is at fault for always saying "yes" to Satoko and giving in, and as you said she is clearly doesn't understand the emotional impact which she is creating for herself. Let's ignore the incest part, for now, it is pretty obvious that the relationship will have consequences. However Satoko really hit the nail in her coffin here, was this rape? yes obviously, will this give trauma to both of them and mostly Masumi, yep of course. It doesn't matter if you are in a relationship, if a person agrees to have sex with you then says "I'm sorry I'm not feeling like it" you step down and say "okay, no problem" but this clearly was rape, it didn't have consent. Satoko is an adult, if a person says no, it is a no but she went on it saying "why were you saying no, look at you, you clearly were enjoying it". What in the actual hell was that answer?. Sure she understood her actions when Masumi started to cry but what will "sorry" do for now? Satoko was being forceful and maybe emotionally manipulative towards her own aunt. Actually, in the first chapter, she didn't care if her aunt said "we can't do this, it isn't right", she just had her sad puppy eyes and Masumi gave in. Going back at the incest part, realistically speaking this relationship wouldn't work and clearly, consequences would be brought on the matter. Imagine if her own mother finds out that her daughter is sleeping with her sister and that she raped her too, clearly the family would bein ruin.

New series to be hooked on. very excited for more chapters!