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Lol'd at people getting mad because the main pairing isn't the focus. Did you read the title or what ? It was about Kaede,not them. Kaede have equally things on her mind that could be deal with. And ffs, we had already a lot about the 2 MCs to let have side characters chapters no ? Side characters moving faster than MC ? Yeah dude crazy right, it's like the first time it happen. Seriously, it happen all the time,just look at Useless Lesbians Princesses.
It's not even a case of a side character growing faster than the MCs, Kaede is still behind in dealing with her own issues compared to them and said issues are thematically connected to Koyuki and Konatsu's. I understand some people's frustration in having to wait a month each time only to have to wait longer for what they want to see, but they should know by now that Kaede is the third most important character in the series and every time she receives focus, it's always in the context of her not wanting the MCs to make the same mistakes as her.
I wonder how old or young the author is. I feel like I'm reading a novel with a psychological theme from the 90's and and early 2010's. This could have been conceptualized and written by someone in their late 20's or 30's.
For me, the story isn't a coming-of-age romance with characters glorifying their newfound "feelings" for each other, with an obligatory fuck chapter near the end of it. Romance essentially is an idealization of human emotions and subjective experiences and places them above cold-hard logic and reason. I'm amazed at how the story is crafted as an idealization of the feelings of impending isolation and facing sadness and the heroism of people navigating those emotions in any way they can.
If I'm going to stretch my conclusion, the story has some elements of City of Angels, sweetened form. It's a kind of romantic heroism, where people know what's going to happen, that something will remain a cycle in itself, a kind of "impending doom". Yet, despite that they still go on and cherish people around them or the memory of them; or the process with which they come to terms with their lot in life.
Sigh. I got bored and reread the chapters. I can't blame if some "drops" this. Themes like "loneliness" and "separation" aren't easy to sell to the audience and it's hard to wrap them around a conventional romance with bombastic happy endings. However, I believe those who drop this work will miss out. This is one of the best GL works I've seen.
Also, GLORIOUS ART!
It's not even a case of a side character growing faster than the MCs, Kaede is still behind in dealing with her own issues compared to them and said issues are thematically connected to Koyuki and Konatsu's. I understand some people's frustration in having to wait a month each time only to have to wait longer for what they want to see, but they should know by now that Kaede is the third most important character in the series and every time she receives focus, it's always in the context of her not wanting the MCs to make the same mistakes as her.
Good post. To me, this series is really one of the type that reads much better when completed rather than chapter by chapter in serialization (I mean, when I re-read what’s been been done so far—I know it’s not completed).
That’s because it’s such a slow burn, and because (to me, one of the things that makes it so narratively interesting) the plot doesn’t work by having a character realize something that solves their problem—the “epiphany as resolution” model. Here characters work their way towards tough realizations that then reveal they have further work to do.
If this were using a much more standard approach, Konatsu, because she is lonely herself, would be the only one to realize how lonely Koyuki is, she’d break through Koyuki’s shell—boom, yuri ending.
But here, Koyuki’s realization of her own loneliness opens up a whole new set of things she needs to learn and to change about herself, and the same is true of Konatsu and Kaede as well.
Poor Fuyuki—he’ll never replace Glasses-chan in Kaede’s heart. . .
I'm afraid that it's like a lot of manga and that the author takes a lot of time and an "auxiliary" chapter and that in the end it's a kind of rush with a hurried end or with a lot of questions or opportunities to go deeper wasted.
I don't dislike kaede and fuyuki but it makes a whole chapter about something quite banal, the author wants to make too much melancholy at the slightest opportunity, you have to balance the situations, otherwise you get the impression that all these people are depressive and their lives are miserable.
I hope that in the next chapter we will finally have real interactions especially between konatsu and koyuki, because otherwise I'll start to think that the author is trying to save time for X reasons... and please don't take the easy shortcut where kaede wants to prevent konatsu and koyuki from making the same mistake. And it would also be frustrating if the story ends with an obvious melancholic good bye between konatsu and koyuki as just good friends, it would be a waste personally.
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Good post. To me, this series is really one of the type that reads much better when completed rather than chapter by chapter in serialization (I mean, when I re-read what’s been been done so far—I know it’s not completed).
I think right now, we are all experiencing the pain that readers of long-running shoujo (and Shonen) romance manga feel, I can't imagine reading something like Fruits Basket or Maid-sama as it was being published lol.
And yeah, I always go back to re-read this manga in particular because there are so many things that happened in previous chapters that make more sense due to information coming out in later chapters.
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Needs more actual fish. This is aquarium tease!
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i kind of don't get the latest chapter
I liked how this chapter (29 in its entirety) served as a direct sequel to Kaede's first chapter. The one thing that made me the most happy was that this chapter allowed this manga to give depth to a character with an otherwise tropey, plot-device like personality. Regarding her older sister leaving, if she's only two years older than Kaede, she ha to have left as soon as she graduated or even before that. Kaede's response to that was pretty reasonable in my eyes, granted that she hadn't mentioned it at all beforehand, and the fact that her sister didn't even seem bother by the fact that she wouldn't see her anymore must have really hurt for her. Its like someone that you love so much only loving you a fraction of it back, if they can leave you and not bother to stay in touch or anything.
Besides all that, This page was by far the most interesting page of the chapter:
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch29_5#31
If Honami was a normal teen, I would assume she's hiding her vape or something lol. But I think whatever it is that she put in there is going to be important, since I don't even think her desk has a drawer in chapter 24, which is the last time I recall seeing it. The fact that she can't even show it to her brother must mean that it's ultra-embarrassing or secretive.
Overall, I enjoyed this chapter, it really served as a break between the previous arc and what ever the next one will be, and I'm looking forward to the obligatory maybe hand holding with a side of semi-gay next chapter.
Am I the only one worried about Honami-san coming home with a tan? I thought the whole point of the sleepover was that she was going to cram school and didn't have time for stuff. Why would she be outside all day?
You misunderstood the page, even though Fuyuki and Koyuki were the ones on panel when that line was said, it was Kaede saying it to Konatsu, and Konatsu got a little tan because she had been at Aoshima (the cat island) all day with her kouhais of the aquarium club as seen in the previous half of the chapter.
Am I the only one worried about Honami-san coming home with a tan? I thought the whole point of the sleepover was that she was going to cram school and didn't have time for stuff. Why would she be outside all day?
You misunderstood the page, even though Fuyuki and Koyuki were the ones on panel when that line was said, it was Kaede saying it to Konatsu, and Konatsu got a little tan because she had been at Aoshima (the cat island) all day with her kouhais of the aquarium club as seen in the previous half of the chapter.
Gah, another one! I feel like I had a lot of trouble telling who was speaking this chapter. Two others I caught, had to go back and reread when I realized the speaker wasn't who I thought it was. Some visual clue when off-panel characters are speaking would have helped, but that's the artist's choice.
Am I the only one worried about Honami-san coming home with a tan? I thought the whole point of the sleepover was that she was going to cram school and didn't have time for stuff. Why would she be outside all day?
You misunderstood the page, even though Fuyuki and Koyuki were the ones on panel when that line was said, it was Kaede saying it to Konatsu, and Konatsu got a little tan because she had been at Aoshima (the cat island) all day with her kouhais of the aquarium club as seen in the previous half of the chapter.
Gah, another one! I feel like I had a lot of trouble telling who was speaking this chapter. Two others I caught, had to go back and reread when I realized the speaker wasn't who I thought it was. Some visual clue when off-panel characters are speaking would have helped, but that's the artist's choice.
When then speech bubbles are circular without the little v-hook thing at the end, it usually indicates the speaker is not in the panel. That being said, I had to reread the page and use context clues to figure out what was going on, too :/
If Honami was a normal teen, I would assume she's hiding her vape or something lol. But I think whatever it is that she put in there is going to be important, since I don't even think her desk has a drawer in chapter 24, which is the last time I recall seeing it. The fact that she can't even show it to her brother must mean that it's ultra-embarrassing or secretive.
It's her secret stash of aquatic themed yuri manga
It's her secret stash of aquatic themed yuri manga
The twist being that she collects them for the inevitable aquarium date scenes to check the fish and hasn't noticed they're all yuri.
It's her secret stash of aquatic themed yuri manga
The twist being that she collects them for the inevitable aquarium date scenes to check the fish and hasn't noticed they're all yuri.
“I just thought they were really good friends, that’s all”
Its probably just the frog
Right, she bought it together with the salamander while on her field trip the previous year with the intention of giving Konatsu the frog (https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch15#24) but she was too embarassed and just gave her the salamander instead since it wouldn't have as many implications. Then Kaede noticed the frog sitting on Koyuki's desk when she visited her room (https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch18#14 and the next two pages) and now it looks like Koyuki stuffed it into the desk drawer so that Konatsu won't see it upon going to her room, but I expect Kaede to ask where she put it not knowing its real meaning so the cat will be out of the bag.
Or the frog out of the drawer.
This manga is so goofy, I never know what to expect. At least the two main leads can hang out like normal 'friends' now without being bashful about their needs.
Its probably just the frog
Right, she bought it together with the salamander while on her field trip the previous year with the intention of giving Konatsu the frog (https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch15#24) but she was too embarassed and just gave her the salamander instead since it wouldn't have as many implications. Then Kaede noticed the frog sitting on Koyuki's desk when she visited her room (https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch18#14 and the next two pages) and now it looks like Koyuki stuffed it into the desk drawer so that Konatsu won't see it upon going to her room, but I expect Kaede to ask where she put it not knowing its real meaning so the cat will be out of the bag.
That is a good point, since I didn’t see the frog in the panel, though why would she try and hide it from Fuyuki, since he would know it’s there? The reason why the page was so interesting to me was that AFTER finding out who it was coming into her room, she told him to wait.
Though it is totally in her character to do something like that. I wouldn’t think that there would be any embarrassment though, considering that chapters 26-28 happened.
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Can't think of what else it would be, she has already turned in her questionnaire for her future career and Konatsu and Kaede already know she's leaving anyway. Anything else would probably be something that hasn't been seen before.
Anything else would probably be something that hasn't been seen before.
That would be nice, but... very unlikely :/
Every month I always have some out-there theory on what is going to happen next, and it doesn't happen. I'm just going to play it save and say its the frog.
"Koyuki, what's that manga you're holding?"
"Ever heard of 'Bloom into You'? Theres a really nice aquarium scene in chapter 24!"
@Palmfire: By the way, since I noticed you posted this both here and on mangadex, chapter 24 doesn't have scenes at Koyuki's house. I'm pretty sure the first time her room is drawn extensively enough to show the desk is in chapter 12, and the drawer is already there: https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch12#49 Then in chapter 18 it's shown to be right under where she put the frog: https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch18#16 If it happened to be missing a few chapters ago, the author just forgot to draw it, but it's not a new addition just for whatever Koyuki wanted to hide now.
@Palmfire: By the way, since I noticed you posted this both here and on mangadex, chapter 24 doesn't have scenes at Koyuki's house. I'm pretty sure the first time her room is drawn extensively enough to show the desk is in chapter 12, and the drawer is already there: https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch12#49 Then in chapter 18 it's shown to be right under where she put the frog: https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch18#16 If it happened to be missing a few chapters ago, the author just forgot to draw it, but it's not a new addition just for whatever Koyuki wanted to hide now.
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch25#4
Ahhh I mean ch 25. To me it looked like her desk doesn’t have a drawer to me, but I didn’t actually go back and look at the previous chapters (lol I usually go through the whole manga to find things for this reason) I think I might have been confusing it with the table from ch 18 too. Thanks for pointing that out.
Also, upon review, the frog is just chilling in the post that you sent me, so it really does make sense that she placed it in the drawer. Man there goes my in depth analysis out the window AGAIN
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I'm afraid that it's like a lot of manga and that the author takes a lot of time and an "auxiliary" chapter and that in the end it's a kind of rush with a hurried end or with a lot of questions or opportunities to go deeper wasted.
I don't dislike kaede and fuyuki but it makes a whole chapter about something quite banal, the author wants to make too much melancholy at the slightest opportunity, you have to balance the situations, otherwise you get the impression that all these people are depressive and their lives are miserable.
I hope that in the next chapter we will finally have real interactions especially between konatsu and koyuki, because otherwise I'll start to think that the author is trying to save time for X reasons... and please don't take the easy shortcut where kaede wants to prevent konatsu and koyuki from making the same mistake. And it would also be frustrating if the story ends with an obvious melancholic good bye between konatsu and koyuki as just good friends, it would be a waste personally.
Thank you. This whole melodramatic thing is such a stretch that the characters have become very unreleatable and unbelievable. They don't act like real people. Real people don't spend most of their waking hours painstakingly psychoanalyzing every freakin word and microgesture that comes from someone they care about. This manga was promising but has become such a drag.
One big redeeming quality is the art. The characters are gorgeous.
Thank you. This whole melodramatic thing is such a stretch that the characters have become very unreleatable and unbelievable. They don't act like real people. Real people don't spend most of their waking hours painstakingly psychoanalyzing every freakin word and microgesture that comes from someone they care about. This manga was promising but has become such a drag.
If you don’t care for the way the story is told, you don’t like it and that’s that. But it’s a given in fiction that we don’t see most of any character’s waking hours—we see the parts that have to do with the theme the story is developing.
Even the most obsessive detective chasing a serial killer also goes to the grocery store, brushes their teeth, says hello to a neighbor, etc., just as off-panel the MCs here can be assumed to study for school, do their chores, chat with classmates and so on.
This has always been a very slow burn, and I wouldn’t be surprised at anyone getting frustrated with the pacing. But I don’t think “realism” is the issue when characters in a romance think a lot about how they feel and about how others feel about them.