That and I'm a little confused as to where Alina came from. Was she only a magius because of complete coincidence?

Alina's presence is the main blemish and problem I have with 10-3, you see, her personal story...

My reason for calling this a blemish, is that you only know this if you have Alina or have otherwise seen her personal story, meaning a fairly important context to the main story is locked behind a 4-star, while the main story itself only gives the footnotes version, I only have Alina because she randomly came home when we were getting anime release rolls a few months back.

That really does only make sense with context. Damn I really want to see her MSS now. I was wondering what was up with the line about her falling from the roof and Nemu/Touko saving her. Especially because that exposition appeared after Ui had been erased, I wasn't sure what had actually happened and what was the reconfiguration of their memories. I think it's a minor flaw of chapter 8 too, when all the magical girls get dragged into the mess. Their interactions are a bonus for those aware of their backstories and nonsensical to the unaware.

Damn I really want to see her MSS now.

Here you go! You can find a lot of those on YT, maybe not all of them, but Alina is way too high profile a character to not have hers there.

I think it's a minor flaw of chapter 8 too, when all the magical girls get dragged into the mess. Their interactions are a bonus for those aware of their backstories and nonsensical to the unaware.

I feel this is something that actually works in the game's favor, in chapter 8 they are casting such a wide net that most regular players are bound to come across someone they are familiar with, maybe not every interaction works for you but at least one or two will, and once you find your one or two, you at least start to understand why you may not understand the others and isn't left entirely confused, where it becomes an issue in chapter 10 because it is a very specific thing about this one character, and a very high profile character at that, and I don't like that sort of information being tightly locked away, even if you can find it online, you in particular, as an example, wouldn't even know what to look for on YT if I hadn't told you that's where the info is.

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That's exactly the same thing I was complaining with Homura's and Madokami's episode stories and while theirs weren't as big, it was still important element to understand the story. I understand it's gacha and Alina is unlimited, but they really can't assume everyone has her. And while I agree chapter 8 took advantage of that, as I said before, it only works assuming you read all those stories, because otherwise you have no clue who those characters are and what their deal is.

The huge thing with chapter 8 is that I look at it from my own perspective, and I was aware of pretty much all girls and familiar with a good chunk of them, it ended up being one of the most exiciting chapters to me as a result, and seeing everyone take a small role was really awesome, so while I acknowledge that it can have issues for someone with a different perspective, I also feel there is no way to fix those issues without removing what made it so good for me, ultimately its biggest strength is also its biggest weakness...

Oh no I agree. I also played it while knowing all the girls, so I really appreciated it and saw it strengths. I simply also acknowledge that not everyone will share that experience.

Just got to chapter 10-2 and it's insane. I'm supposed to beat an enemy with a million hp and none of my attacks barely scratch the boss. :(

Ended up beating the stage with Mifuyu (2s), Rena [Support] (4s), Iroha (4s), and Mayu (2s).

Chapter 10 is the first time where I can't use whatever team* (*megucas I happen to farm bond with) and win using auto battle. I actually had to take it seriously. Fighting Eve was especially nasty, since she gives you curse every turn and remove your buffs the turn you cast any. Not to mention random -20 MP to single target to make sure you can't use magias.

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I have been consistently taking out Eve with Homura+support Kyoko, it is always 3-4 turns, but she is still tough, just being able to shave off 5k HP per slap on top of her Curse, and the actual boss fight against Eve on 10-3-5 has her shaving off 10k HP per slap, which would be a serious problem if I wasn't taking her out that quickly or if she could attack more than once per turn.

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Well there goes a ton of magia stones for nothing other than a Sayaka spook. I just wasted a bunch of them and got NO Touka for my efforts. :( I'm thinking about quitting or shelfing the game for a while.

Now I don't have enough for the YachiIro final battle version...

Edit: I did get 2s Yuma, 3s Hazuki and a few other magical girls increased in there slots so I guess it wasn't all in vain...

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Oh no I agree. I also played it while knowing all the girls, so I really appreciated it and saw it strengths. I simply also acknowledge that not everyone will share that experience.

Yeah it's definitely a strength if you know the story. I was so happy seeing Felicia meet up with Nanaka's group since I'd just finished her MSS at the time. When I have all of the relevant girls or the ones I care about at least I think I'll reread the chapter. It's definitely going to take a while though since I'm hoping to read all of their stories organically.

Well there goes a ton of magia stones for nothing other than a Sayaka spook. I just wasted a bunch of them and got NO Touka for my efforts. :( I'm thinking about quitting or shelfing the game for a while.

Now I don't have enough for the YachiIro final battle version...

Ah yeah that is a sucky feeling. I've always been F2P and one of the things I learned from my first gacha game (Kingdom Hearts X lol) is that if there's a unit you want got to save up for it and resist pulling too much. Unless you get really lucky there's not much room for chance to favor you in getting multiple showcased banner characters in a row and sometimes when unlucky even getting one doesn't happen. If you still want YachiIro and plan to stick around for that long, wouldn't hurt to pull at that point since they're limited anyway.

I've finally been making some progress on increasing my team's power. Pulled my first copy of Mito - After the Rain from the support points gacha a few days ago and I'm up to three doppels now instead of just one. Now that Iroha is uncapped, she's fun to use in PVE teams since she's the only 4s character I have and her heal connect + revive magia is satisfying.

which would be a serious problem if I wasn't taking her out that quickly or if she could attack more than once per turn.

It's an absolute blessing she can't attack more than once per turn. I found that makes Iroha / healing very useful.

The Magius boss fight was fun too, in that I had to try multiple times and think somewhat. Alina's stuns and Nemu's continuous charm doppels really made me wish I had Madokami for the status ailment resistance. In the end raw strength was still more than enough and a support 4s Ashley blast combo-ed everything.

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I guess I don't really need the YachiIro unit just like I didn't need to have Touka or Nemu, I just really like both Touka, Nemu, Ui, and YachiIro final battle version so I'd like to have them. Unfortunately the dice just don't seem to be in my favor in this game, so I wasn't able to get either girl. I did however get Tamamo no Mae (5*) in Fate/Grand Order... I wonder if that game ate my luck here lol.

Also no magia stones for Ui either. :( Sorry, but you won't be able to join Onee-chan for a while then.

Edit: I got Touka at the second pity. Now I have to save up (and skip the Last Magia event) for my next desired unit. I only have ~100 magia stones right now...

Edit again: I really like how her side story serves to show a different softer side to her where it shows her, Nemu, Alina, and Mifuyu struggling at the begning where it was just them (plus Tsukasa and Tsukuyo) and how they were worried if they would get enough members to join. It's also cute how Touka takes care of Mifuyu when she gets sick with a cold.

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Touka also has the most amusing Home Screen lines, I didn't roll for her but a friend of mine did and he was screen shotting them all day on the day she came out... we learn things like Touka adores mascots and she refuses to accept they are just people in costumes, and that she still sleeps with a teddy bear... the latter comes from her starting to talk about how sleepiness is caused by proteins in the brain, and then falling asleep mid-sentence while asking for her teddy... she is that mix of "crazy super genius" and "actually an 11 year old" and will flip between the two in the same line of thought at times...

she is that mix of "crazy super genius" and "actually an 11 year old" and will flip between the two in the same line of thought at times...

Yeah, sounds just about right.

Ok so I finally cleared 10:3 and I have to say there's still plenty of things that don't make sense, that I doubt will be explained anymore, but overall I'm satisfied and I feel like the story was pretty good overall. It even made me feel like trying to rewatch anime and see if knowing the answer to mystery will make changes make more sense (I doubt it though).

So the stupid book still exist. Based on the way you talked about it, I thought you were implying that it was just a way Touka remembered gaining knowledge about magical girls after Ui was erased, but no, it was actually a thing, which honestly, could easily be removed from the story and it would not made any difference. Honestly, when the flashback started and she started talking about it, I was so distracted and annoyed with how stupid it is, that I felt like just not bothering reading the rest. For a moment I really thought I'll just conclude that the story doesn't make any sense after all and all this wait was just not worth it. Also while she indeed interrogated Kyuubey, at first she did try to hack into his network using her PC, so that part makes absolutely no sense, unless the stupid book also explains that Kyuubey is actually a alien terminal with UBS port or some kind of wireless Wi-Fi that you can try to connect to and get information from.

The sudden appearance of Alina was indeed pretty jarring. Like she appeared in middle of very important scene and we're just supposed to assume they know each other and are close friends or something. Also I'm not entirely clear which part is the truth and which is fiction, because it's kinda implied the jumping from rooftop and meeting Touka and Nemu was what lead Alina to be admitted to hospital instead of Ui and that's how they bonded. I didn't watch her episode story yet, but I guess it might help making a bit more sense unless the story that is told there is the fake one.

I understand that as Kyuubey is emotionless, it allows him to collect impurities without being affected by it whatsoever, while human would feel all the despair present in it, leading to them experiencing it and in turn starting to product their own impurities. What I don't understand is why as soon as Ui gained the power, she started collecting them unconsciously. Other Magius clearly had 100% control over their power and didn't use it unwillingly, so I don't understand why Ui is the only exception.

While it was nice that Kyuubey addressed that you need to have sufficient enough karmic destiny, to be able to wish for very powerful wishes, I still feel like we never actually were show for it to actually matter. All magical girls who made a wish so far got exactly what they wished for, no matter what kind of life they had and even when supposedly Magius would feel the consequences of it, they clearly got exactly what they wanted without any drawbacks. The issue Ui had was more that she as human was incapable of gathering impurities without feeling their negative effect. On that topic, I don't understand why she started collecting them asap, but also then why she didn't start collecting them as soon as she woke up and instead now seems to be in full control? I'd really prefer and it'd make more sense that instead the uncontrollable gathering was result of not enough karmic destiny and other Magius would have problem with controlling their powers too, or something like that. Not sure how it'd be solved, but it'd at least not feel like red herring. Unless it was because of not enough karma, and being erased from existence and being reason for everything that happened, made so when she was brought back, her destiny lvl'd up, but that still leave the issue of other Magius not really having any issues. And no, I don't buy the they're geniuses explanation.

I liked the touch with origins of small Kyuubey and I see one of theories I heard turned out to be semi-true with him not exactly being Ui, but rather possessing her soul. On that topic, next inconsistency is, that why Iroha was the only one who regained her memories after touching small Kyuubey, but not Magius. Would think that would solve all the problems. Also not as much plot hole, but you really wonder just how much Ui was in control of small Kyuubey, because she was supposed to lay dormant, but it seemed like she decided when to give memories and also the fact she stuck to Iroha would imply she was recognizing her as her sister. After all after they stripped Kyuubey of his power, what was left was supposed to be empty shell without any will of its own.

I liked the reference to Madoka's wish, with Touka saying that obviously we just can't ask to rewrite laws, which was very fitting and pretty much the reason everything went wrong. Because she's so scientifically minded, she couldn't even fathom doing something that'd go against law. It's illogical and impossible after all. And because of that despite being able to ask for pretty much anything, instead of coming up with wishes that could solve the problem once and for all, without them having to do anything, she had to create a plan requiring them actively creating the system using powers they got, which backfired as soon as 1 of the elements (Ui) had unforeseen complications.

So, what was up with that Ui showing up before Homura telling her to come to Kamihama? Anime made it clear that a lot of magical girls saw her in their dreams, but in game pretty much only Homura, saw it and it was never mentioned again and it's clear Ui had no such power or at least it wasn't explained yet. There was also when Ai mentioned knowing "Ui as Rumor", which you could explain assuming that as all Rumors are created by Nemu and stored in her book, they all also possess knowledge about all other Rumors, so since Nemu created Rumor to take Ui's soul away, she was existing as a Rumor, but that still doesn't explain the "Magical girls can be saved in Kamihama" part of it. Honestly next thing that could be easily removed as Mami went to investigate Kamihama before Homura anyway and because she got captured, Homura never got a chance to investigate what Ui said properly and when she finally met Magius, she already knew they were evil and had to be stopped. I'm perfectly fine just chalking it up to it being a way to hook new players onto the story and pique their interest. I have to admit though, I really liked idea of twist being either Ui made some kind of wish to save magical girls or she was permanently fused with Rumor, which in both cases erased her existence and turned her into kinda lesser Madokami, so it's a shame it's another red herring.

From other stuff, what was up with Mifuyu supposedly losing her power? It was mentioned multiple times through out the story, so I thought it'll be significant, but turns out when it mattered the most (defeating Fendt Hope) it didn't really matter? Also I totally called that she'll survive that and most likely be saved, I bet Magius will repair her soul gem using their powers

And honestly my biggest issue still lies with the exact mechanics of how this universe came to exist in the first place. Also how are they going to explain why Madokami couldn't interfere sooner. In fact, ignoring all my other issues with it, their explanation made more sense when I thought that Homura tried to fight Walpurgisnacht with Madoka many times, before going solo, so her only repeating timelines many times after she went solo, makes the difference between this universe and OG one even bigger and complicates making sense of how the events unfolded even further.

To end it on positive note though. I have to say that learning that forgetting about Ui made Magius more extreme, made it easier for me to look at their past actions, because now they make much more sense as logical conclusion of them being driven by their selfish desires and nothing else.. If they just grow up without Ui, they'd probably not turn into such horrible people, but because they made wishes with clear goal of saving magical girls and Ui was core part of it, once she was removed, just saving all magical girls didn't make sense for them anymore, so it had to be replaced with them doing it in order to fulfill their own desires, which also explains why they become so ruthless, because their original desire to save magical girls no matter what, was instead switched to achieving their ambitions no matter what. So we ended up with twisted wish for saving magical girls, that only purpose was to actually serve Magius and their goals. In fact it even explains why Alina was portrayed the way she was, because her personality was also twisted, so she actually isn't a complete psycho and while she usually don't care about others, it doesn't mean she isn't capable of genuinely bonding with other people.

The sudden appearance of Alina was indeed pretty jarring. Like she appeared in middle of very important scene and we're just supposed to assume they know each other and are close friends or something. Also I'm not entirely clear which part is the truth and which is fiction, because it's kinda implied the jumping from rooftop and meeting Touka and Nemu was what lead Alina to be admitted to hospital instead of Ui and that's how they bonded. I didn't watch her episode story yet, but I guess it might help making a bit more sense unless the story that is told there is the fake one.

Alina's side story explains it: Touka and Nemu are the ones who found Alina after she jumped; Alina had no real interactions with Ui, but was aware she was their friend.

I understand that as Kyuubey is emotionless, it allows him to collect impurities without being affected by it whatsoever, while human would feel all the despair present in it, leading to them experiencing it and in turn starting to product their own impurities. What I don't understand is why as soon as Ui gained the power, she started collecting them unconsciously. Other Magius clearly had 100% control over their power and didn't use it unwillingly, so I don't understand why Ui is the only exception.

Except their plan more-or-less relied on Ui's being a passive power. Also, they explicitly stated they wanted Kyubey's powers, one of which was passively vacuuming up the despair energy needed to counter entropy.

On that topic, I don't understand why she started collecting them asap, but also then why she didn't start collecting them as soon as she woke up and instead now seems to be in full control?

One reason: Alina's barrier is still up, so there aren't anywhere near as many impurieties to deal with as when she first transformed, especially with Eve locking so many of them away.

I liked the touch with origins of small Kyuubey and I see one of theories I heard turned out to be semi-true with him not exactly being Ui, but rather possessing her soul. On that topic, next inconsistency is, that why Iroha was the only one who regained her memories after touching small Kyuubey, but not Magius. Would think that would solve all the problems.

The reason for using the small Kyubey was to cut off Ui completely from her fate. Since Nemu and Touka were a direct part of that fate, it stands to reason there would be a stronger barrier between them and the wall they themselves constructed.

So, what was up with that Ui showing up before Homura telling her to come to Kamihama?

I always saw this as an abandoned plot thread: they promised Madoka would go looking for Homura, so they had to set up a situation where that'd happen.

From other stuff, what was up with Mifuyu supposedly losing her power? It was mentioned multiple times through out the story, so I thought it'll be significant, but turns out when it mattered the most (defeating Fendt Hope) it didn't really matter?

It actually did matter plenty, but just not in that context. It was very much Mifuyu's motivation for a lot of what she did.

the latter comes from her starting to talk about how sleepiness is caused by proteins in the brain, and then falling asleep mid-sentence while asking for her teddy... she is that mix of "crazy super genius" and "actually an 11 year old" and will flip between the two in the same line of thought at times...

That's adorable. I'm glad we get to see more nuance to the Magius now.

So the stupid book still exist. Based on the way you talked about it, I thought you were implying that it was just a way Touka remembered gaining knowledge about magical girls after Ui was erased, but no, it was actually a thing, which honestly, could easily be removed from the story and it would not made any difference.

Hmm this is just speculation again, but I'm pretty sure the book is and will be important, given the one thing I'm 95% confident part 2 is about. It clearly implies there are normal people aware of the existence of magical girls, something that was assumed to be impossible. And maybe the book really did say Kyuubey is a network intelligence. We don't know everything Touka reads in the book. I liked the introduction of that fact actually, since it further solidifies Kyuubey's collective consciousness thing as being like a computer's.

What I don't understand is why as soon as Ui gained the power, she started collecting them unconsciously. Other Magius clearly had 100% control over their power and didn't use it unwillingly, so I don't understand why Ui is the only exception.

I wondered about that too. If it's later confirmed that Ui's power is passive while the other two magius's are active, that would explain that. It's also possible she had less control over her powers from the start. This would be like how Touka and Nemu instantly were at "100% understanding" with the magical girl stuff while Ui was only at 70% at first and needed another repetition before getting it. Maybe her power was the same.

Also not as much plot hole, but you really wonder just how much Ui was in control of small Kyuubey, because she was supposed to lay dormant, but it seemed like she decided when to give memories and also the fact she stuck to Iroha would imply she was recognizing her as her sister. After all after they stripped Kyuubey of his power, what was left was supposed to be empty shell without any will of its own.

Ui definitely didn't have full control or consciousness, since she clearly says at the end of 10-3 that everything that'd happened seemed like a bad nightmare. Also if she were fully in control she would have tried to do a lot more to help Iroha whenever Iroha was in danger. At most her spirit provided the empty Kyuubey some basic instincts. As such, I don't think she was actively providing memories but rather direct contact with her spirit restored Iroha's memories.

I have to admit though, I really liked idea of twist being either Ui made some kind of wish to save magical girls or she was permanently fused with Rumor, which in both cases erased her existence and turned her into kinda lesser Madokami, so it's a shame it's another red herring.

Same. I thought that's what it might end up being too.

In fact it even explains why Alina was portrayed the way she was, because her personality was also twisted, so she actually isn't a complete psycho and while she usually don't care about others, it doesn't mean she isn't capable of genuinely bonding with other people.

One of my favorite parts of 10-3 definitely had to be seeing Alina actually caring about people. I was so shocked when she immediately jumped in with her barrier to help Ui.

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Could people here please post without Swiss cheesing comments? Frankly most of that stuff hidden behind the spoiler tags doesn't really need spoilering to me.

So the stupid book still exist.

Yes, but the context around it is completely different to what we were told before, Touka's first explanation made it come across as it was a randomly published book that she happened to have a copy of, but her flashback explicitly points out that it is her disappeared uncle's memoirs, this means that the book she had is the only copy of such book in the world, and she did dismiss it as fiction at first until she came across Kyubey on her own and heard Iroha refer to it as "Kyubey", which confirmed to her that the rest of the book was in fact real, eliminating the immense jump of logic that was previously implied by her, it also gives an explanation to why her father held onto the book and had it in his personal library, from his perspective, it is a memento of his presumably late brother, as well as a better explanation to why that book in particular drew Touka, it is the writing of a close family member that she either never met, or has very faint memories of, it is definitely the sorta thing that would draw a kid in.

Also while I can't explain how, this plot point does come up later, since at this point(and since like chapter 8) they were already setting up part 2, so it isn't a throaway thing that could be entirely removed, either.

Also I'm not entirely clear which part is the truth and which is fiction, because it's kinda implied the jumping from rooftop and meeting Touka and Nemu was what lead Alina to be admitted to hospital instead of Ui and that's how they bonded.

Okay, something to keep in mind while reading this entire situation, is that absolutely nothing was put in place of Ui, rather Ui was entirely removed and memories rearranged themselves to conform to her absence, this is why Iroha's room looked the way it did, with one half where Ui's stuff was meant to be clearly empty, rather than having things rearranged so that Iroha could capitalize on that room real state better.

It is also a very important aspect of how you are meant to read Touka and Nemu without Ui, because it is less "They are evil without Ui" and more "When you remove a sizeable chunk of their lives, including the most positive influences they had, puts nothing in their place, and let them be driven by pure ego, they are evil".

What I don't understand is why as soon as Ui gained the power, she started collecting them unconsciously.

The most likely explanation is that the nature of the "harvest" power is inherently different from the other two, the other two powers are only activated when they are needed, while "harvest" would need to be active at all times because even Kyubey itself wouldn't be able to be aware exactly when every single girl was about to Witch out, and that, say, if Nemu had wished for "harvest" instead, she would have lost control of it just like Ui did, while the process of being Eve for the last half year allowed her to subconsciously learn to control the power since she was kind-of using it all the time.

On that topic, next inconsistency is, that why Iroha was the only one who regained her memories after touching small Kyuubey, but not Magius.

This was one point that I had issue with myself, and the most likely explanation that I could infer is that since Nemu safeguarded Ui's soul with an Uwasa(not explicitly stated, but come on, it is clearly what happened there), Iroha is simply sufficiently similar to Ui physically and genetically to partially lift the effect of the Uwasa, perhaps also explained by that being the very first Uwasa and created very hastly, and thus maybe a little looser than the ones that came later, though I also admit this is only my own explanation so that it won't bother me too much.

From other stuff, what was up with Mifuyu supposedly losing her power? It was mentioned multiple times through out the story, so I thought it'll be significant, but turns out when it mattered the most (defeating Fendt Hope) it didn't really matter?

Mifuyu losing her power is meant to be tied to her growing older and her emotional state becoming more stable(this is briefly explained in Yachiyo's Doppel profile of all places, go check it), coupled with her own inherent rejection of being a magical girl(the key thing that caused the divide between her and Yachiyo), her emotions were simply growing to be incompatible with her powers and thus weakening them, an issue that Yachiyo didn't have because Yachiyo fully embraces the meguca life instead, at its core, the narrative purpose of this is to explain Mifuyu's main motivation with joining the Magius, while the moment of the fight against Fendt Hope being the point where Mifuyu built the resolve to no longer let this hinder her.

In fact, ignoring all my other issues with it, their explanation made more sense when I thought that Homura tried to fight Walpurgisnacht with Madoka many times, before going solo

The thing is that this creates an inherent flaw with the main narrative of the original story, if the story had kept the pretense that this was just one of the early timelines, we would reach a conclusion where Madoka still dies in the fight against Walpurgis, Homura still loops time once more, and the Magia Record timeline ends in failure, making the entire thing irrelevant, while separating both into distinct universes allow them to continue independent from each other, and allows the story to progress past Walpurgis into part 2, ultimately it is just a necessity thing since MagiReco will be this on-going thing for basically as long as it keeps making money.

This also explicitly enables them to have characters like Madokami and eventually Devil Homura as playable, since it doesn't require this version of Madoka and Homura to become god and the devil to justify their existences.

To end it on positive note though. I have to say that learning that forgetting about Ui made Magius more extreme, made it easier for me to look at their past actions, because now they make much more sense as logical conclusion of them being driven by their selfish desires and nothing else.

Yep, I am glad you can see that, the MagiReco subreddit has still been a nightmare when discussing story since 10-3 dropped because it hugely split people on how they feel about Touka and Nemu, and I have seen no shortage of comparisons between them and Hitler and how they still want to see them in a pool of their own blood, and I am here like "Jesus christ people, calm down, they are 11...", along with everyone else who is jumping to their defense.

Ah well, tomorrow 10-4 drops, and I will finally been able to share a MagiReco music video parody I have been addicted to for the past week that otherwise spoils a chunky bit of 10-4...

Yep, I am glad you can see that, the MagiReco subreddit has still been a nightmare when discussing story since 10-3 dropped because it hugely split people on how they feel about Touka and Nemu, and I have seen no shortage of comparisons between them and Hitler and how they still want to see them in a pool of their own blood, and I am here like "Jesus christ people, calm down, they are 11...", along with everyone else who is jumping to their defense.

It's probably Touka's line about not regretting it that's got people riled up. If they at least felt bad about it, I think a lot more people would accept the argument that they're just children.

It's probably Touka's line about not regretting it that's got people riled up. If they at least felt bad about it, I think a lot more people would accept the argument that they're just children.

People are also being too ready to misrepesent that as "she said she didn't care", it is more "In light of what our goal was, I don't regret what happened", since even if driven by ego their goals were ultimately noble and would've saved more people than it harmed(and the greater point is that harming that many people is still wrong even if the positives would've outweighted it), harming Ui is the thing that she couldn't live with, because Ui is far more important to her than a few skyscrapers getting blown up.

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than a few skyscrapers getting blown up.

That's a funny way of saying "unknown number of lives lost and ruined". After Chelation Land, they lost all right to facile forgiveness.

I'll reply to rest later, but the way I read that line was more like "I don't regret becoming magical girls, even if it lead to all of this".

That's a funny way of saying "unknown number of lives lost and ruined". After Chelation Land, they lost all right to facile forgiveness.

No lives got lost in Kamihama because the city had already been evacuated, since the storm that follows Walpurgis had already issue evacuation warnings, the only people still in Kamihama at this point at all megucas, which is also why they can freely fight familiars in the streets, there is no one to witness them using magic, lives would have been lost if Eve and Walpurgis had clashed, because their fight would most likely have hit evacuation shelters, much like Walpurgis rampage almost did in the original series despite Homura trying to push her back, but Touka can only talk of what actually happened, and stopping Walpurgis is in her game plan now.

The propriety damage is a bigger issue, but in light of what the muggles think the situation is(it is later stated that Eve looks like a massive typhoon to muggles, they can't properly perceive her in the same way they can't perceive Walpurgis), government insurance will pay for most of the damage, this is actually a point brought up by Kanagi in chapter 9 when confronting her copy, in the grand scheme of things this isn't a big deal, it is a problem, but people will be able to rebuild just fine, also do consider that Touka is filthy rich, she can very easily talk her father into donating to the city to help reconstruction.

Also while I don`t think Touka was thinking this far, it is also worth note that even in the front of city damages, the money would've been spent anyway, just elsewhere, since Walpurgis was always going to attack Mitakihara(not taking in account that Homura would've reversed time, they can't possibly know that), so they didn't even create costs, they just moved the costs a few cities over, and while this is an extremely pragmatic way of looking at things, it is by no means invalid, as we are not weighting lives, just proprieties.

I'll reply to rest later, but the way I read that line was more like "I don't regret becoming magical girls, even if it lead to all of this".

This is also a valid read I hadn't considered, I was just making the point that even if she is taking in account what happened to the city (thus far), it is still not that big a deal, in the sense that everything can be rebuilt in due time.

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It's true we don't have any confirmed deaths at the hands of any uwasa, but the Magius have been raising witches as part of their project - and it's well established those kill people. We could excuse both as too far removed for a kid's brain to appreciate, but they were flat-out planning to murder thousands with Chelation Land. That they were stopped doesn't excuse them attempting the scheme.

No lives were lost...

Come on now that's just unrealistic here. Just look at how many people ignore real life evacuation orders during hurricanes and other natural disasters. It's unreasonable to think that every non-magical girl has left the city.

Also how can they explain why random teenage girls are allowed to stay behind in a city instead of having their parents (or government officials) take them out with them?