But like portraying it as light-hearted and playful really just makes it worse to me because then the narrative treats it like it's fine and there's nothing really wrong with it. Like, the intention being for it to be perceived as light and playful doesn't magically mean that's how it will be perceived and it doesn't even mean that's how it should be perceived. Authorial intent does not dictate audience interpretation and reaction and I don't think it should.

In this particular case however, intention makes the deciding difference. This scenario can both be just a punchline or a creepy boundary break. Clearly the chapter portrayed it as the former and you shouldn't get hung up on it, because of that.

If Koguma had seriously been creeped out or disgusted, if Hino had any ill intentions, that would be different. But in truth she just flipped her skirt while she slept and then teased her. It's not even anything too outlandish, you'd see that between friends in real life even (minus the lap pillow).

I'd equate this to someone drawing on your face with marker while you sleep.

if it has a "like" I've already given it a thousand times.. gush I was jealous with these two..

It's fiction. Not a guide on "how to act in real-life". Yeah, sure, fiction can't be entirely detached from it, but sometimes I find this recent attitude of "fantasy has to follow all reality rules" a bit ... trite. It should be obvious. Do we need "do not copy at home" disclaimers? ^^

How about you stop pretending people who don't think peeking at someone's underwear while they sleep is cute or funny or whatever are either hysterical puritans or irrational doomsayers? Also, bringing up Plato and Aristotle in a discussion about peeping in a pulpy yuri manga is so pretentious my eyes nearly rolled right out of my skull.

Feel free to declare, “This series is not cute or funny” all you like. I did not call anyone “hysterical puritans,” but simply made the elementary distinction between value systems set up inside individual stories and those of real life. Some readers obviously don’t think that difference matters much—they don’t tend to be fans of Happy Sugar Life or Murcielago.

I happen to think “pretentious” is a worthless evaluative term. Given your previous comments I would have thought you’d agree that anything worth thinking about is worth taking seriously—I just prefer to do it in terms of literary criticism rather than moralizing.

Yall are fucking stupid and this is cute soft D/s goodness.

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Well, all I have to say here is: [Facepalm]

They are amazing. They both like each other and.. I mean.. seriously. Why aren't they an official couple. I just need that but oh well. Let's see how it continues.

Chapter 19, page 7: "no where" → "nowhere"

Even if that slipped in, it's nice that new chapters are released so frequently.

How about you stop pretending people who don't think peeking at someone's underwear while they sleep is cute or funny or whatever are either hysterical puritans or irrational doomsayers?

pretty sure i got chewed out for thinking it's not cool to draw porn of children...

at this point i'm not sure having any opinion won't get you barked at. it's funny that when i make a post suggesting that their play could be healthier people act like they're on fox news complaining about how getting consent ruins flirting.

i'm not expecting this manga to go to a bad place, but just like majere, certain things will detract from my experience. i'm not even saying it should change. i don't expect every comic to have 2 chapters of the characters getting explicit consent. small things, like checking in with the other person before doing something new, go a long way towards getting me into something.

y'all can like your non-con loli porn all you want. i just don't like it, and hope this manga doesn't go in that direction.

i'm not taking anything seriously, it's a comic, and if i don't like it i'll just stop reading. i just have different preferences and i was expressing them. someone challenging your perspective isn't a personal attack.

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The yuri goddess has blessed us with a bountiful harvest today
It was nice to see Hino rely on her girlfriend when something is troubling her

pretty sure i got chewed out for thinking it's not cool to draw porn of children...

Well, sure that's gross for most people with a bit of decency here. But I don't think that it is that bad to warrant a ban of the practice. I think it is better to let those guys vent their desire somewhere that is the least damaging instead of confining them, which can lead to an outburst and eventual crime itself. Japan pretty much glides on that fine line for a decade or two but there are not that many criminal cases in Japan, let alone child rape cases. Japan is still safer than the West. I guess there are more aspects at play and not just about their indifference toward lolicon hentai issue, but that does disprove the problem regarding these materials being stimulating to pedophiles.

Meanwhile, outside of Japan... I'd say meh, there are people preaching about morality but their society still violate those rules regardless.

Enough serious stuff, cuteness is justice, and I find this is quite cute.

pretty sure i got chewed out for thinking it's not cool to draw porn of children...

My guess would be calling it 'loli trash' rather than respecting that it's an artist (and their fans') choice to make and enjoy what they like.

There'd be plenty of people, for plenty of reason, who would say bad things about anything. For a non-equivalent example: Guro.

I might have great reasons for not liking it, but decrying artists for taking that route as well, and demeaning them, wouldn't make me have any sort of argument against it. It would just make me look judgmental.

y'all can like your non-con loli porn all you want.

Whoa, I missed when 'non-con' was brought up.

I didn't read any of your comments but why are people having long convoluted debates about this series? It's a mindless SoL yuri series, anything that happens in this manga is not meant to have any deeper meaning other than 'cute girls doing cute gay things to eachother'

idk that girl is a sociopath

I didn't read any of your comments but why are people having long convoluted debates about this series? It's a mindless SoL yuri series, anything that happens in this manga is not meant to have any deeper meaning other than 'cute girls doing cute gay things to eachother'

I mostly agree, except I'll add "funny" to the "cute gay" bit.
But seriously, how did this thread, of any, turn into a moshpit?

I didn't read any of your comments but why are people having long convoluted debates about this series? It's a mindless SoL yuri series, anything that happens in this manga is not meant to have any deeper meaning other than 'cute girls doing cute gay things to eachother'

The good old "I don't want to put thought into it, so nobody else should." Classic.

this is cute soft D/s goodness.

putting aside the previous discussion, i honestly wish there was more stuff like this. most everything tagged bdsm is all ropes, chains, whips and hentai. if there was a tag for stuff with similar kind hearted teasing i'd be reading everything that was in it.

this is cute soft D/s goodness.

putting aside the previous discussion, i honestly wish there was more stuff like this. most everything tagged bdsm is all ropes, chains, whips and hentai. if there was a tag for stuff with similar kind hearted teasing i'd be reading everything that was in it.

I personally don't have much of a feeling or preference for soft D/s except that, like anything else, when it's done well it's great. Teasing (the pleasurable kind) is a form of comedy, and this mangaka's comic timing is wonderful--Dynasty sometimes loads slow for me, and lots of times I'm almost frantic to see what the punchline or next development is going to be from one page to the next, because I generally just can't guess.

As I've been saying, I think a certain amount of at least subliminal fear that something bad is going to happen is built into the premise and style of this series--when Hino said, "I was making this for you," and started to pull something out of her bag, I was half-expecting it to be a dog collar or other bondage gear (even though the tiny bit we saw obviously wasn't like that at all).

So to an extent, we're being played by the mangaka the way Koguma gets played by Hino. Usually the joke is on Koguma, sometimes it's on us (like with the photo album), and every once in a while it's on Hino (like with the umbrella).

why do so many yuri artists have to draw loli trash??

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While it would be lying to say that I've never though that an artists' talent was wasted on a specific fetish, I find the assumption that the artist is doing this for money kind of naive and disrespectful to the artist and their personal tastes. As someone who used spend time in the furry fandom, I can show you a thing or two about what happens when an artist trades in their dignity for the "privilege" of drawing anything for money. Trust me, it's not pretty.

I know someone like that. This girl started drawing furry things because she could make more than 1 thousand week with it, but after some months she preffered stop it and lose all the future money she could had won that still drawing that because mostly of the drawings were just so so so messed up xD she couldn't continue. It's pretty hard draw something that you don't even feel indifferent about it.

y'all can like your non-con loli porn all you want.

Whoa, I missed when 'non-con' was brought up.

Meh, I went through their Pixiv and the closest thing I could find to "loli sex" was two separate comic strips of Sakurako and Himawari from Yuru Yuri, where both comics fade out and return to them nude (with their genitals covered, either by sheets, frames, or body positions) implying they had sex during the interval.

The only other thing that stands out to me is an illustration of a frontal nude of Sanya and Eira from Strike Witches sitting lateral to each other, with a gap between them, where their body proportions appear quite juvenile. Their breasts and nipples are exposed, however their vulvas are concealed. The illustration doesn't seem very sexualized in any other way, other than a blush and expression on Eira's face that could be interpreted as arousal.

Other than that, the artist seems to have a preference towards small/flat breasts and has drawn some feminine looking men (noteably Hideyoshi from Baka to Test) topless. It seems to me that the person who brought up issue with their pixiv is more concerned with the body type then the emotional/moral content. I'm guessing they just threw in the 'non-con' bit as a last minute strawman insult because they found it more damning than 'consensual loli porn'. Or else they're implying that no porn involving lolis can be consensual, thus the comic strips involving Himawari and Sakurako are 'non-con' by default, but in the comic strips mentioned, both characters appear to take active roles, and anyone familiar with the characters should be able to imagine the emotinal states concerned with such a scenario.

Edit: As it turns out, both of those "comic strips" of Himawari and Sakurako have been translated and uploaded here on Dynasty already.

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The loli thing is off topic, so take it to the appropriate tag's discussion please.

Is it off topic? It was originally brought up in reference to Hino's comments on Koguma's body type, (which as a sidenote goes to back up my earlier point about the commenter's issue lying with body types rather than anything else). Well, even if it is, I don't think the 'Lolicon Tag' thread is the appropriate place for it either. Perhaps starting a thread for 'Kinniku Tarou' would be more appropriate instead? I could just be wrong though, I don't know. I guess you'd probably know better than I would.

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WTF is happening in this discussion. I think that Kinniku Tarou is doing a gj. Maybe I will get bored after chapter 50 but it's like other mangas.

Come for the yuri, stay for the enlightening discussions

I hope we see a kiss someday... Or even a confession would be good enough.