dropped the anime, too boring.

I tried to stay away from this comment section for a while....

I'm kinda glad to see it's still as toxic as Chernobyl's contingency site...

Yeah that's what happens when a character's schizophrenic behaviour turns the MC and readers into blue-balled neurotics xD Only solution at this point is aggressive Yuzutop or Mei being run over by a truck before the wedding.

And then, let me guess:

Matsuri wins?

She already won by letting the YuzuMei trainwreck follow its course and going for Harumin instead :P Yuzu scarred for life now, only therapy will help lol

I finally had some time to read the lastest chapter. My </3 is broken in two. Please please please let there be a happy ending for these two. Plus is everyone keeping up with the anime? Are they going to have a season 2? I really want to know.

If you have to comb through the manga with a magnifying glass to see the character development then there isn't much to actually find.

Good thing you don't have to do that here unless you're paying literally zero attention.

But we have a couple of people defending it stating that you have to look hard to see the progress while several others are saying there has been none and I have to agree. Maybe you have to actually be paying attention to notice that nothing has changed. Mei starts out the story putting her family's happiness before her own and we are currently still there 35 chapters later. Mei really hasn't changed, she is making the same decisions with the same justifications and it's disappointing. How can you say there has been progress when we are right back to the same exact issue from the first volume?

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Plus is everyone keeping up with the anime? Are they going to have a season 2? I really want to know.

Perhaps no.

But we have a couple of people defending it stating that you have to look hard to see the progress while several others are saying there has been none and I have to agree. Maybe you have to actually be paying attention to notice that nothing has changed. Mei starts out the story putting her family's happiness before her own and we are currently still there 35 chapters later. Mei really hasn't changed, she is making the same decisions with the same justifications and it's disappointing. How can you say there has been progress when we are right back to the same exact issue from the first volume?

This. Mei is crazy for Yuzu no doubt and has her reasons but I am yet to see any meaningful change in her personality other than (reluctantly) warming up to the person she is crazy about. Which I personally don't see as great development; if she kept being cold even after they start dating it would be too unrealistic. As far as I know she still doesn't care about anyone around her other than Yuzu either. She is like that girlfriend that one of your friends brings in to hang out with the gang, and you see all these red flags in her and want to tell your friend to run for the hills. But you can't, because it's none of your business, so you kinda hint at it and leave it at that lol

In the end the only characters who have evolved are Matsuri and, to a lesser degree, Yuzu herself. Harumin has also seen no development. But hey, maybe next chapter Mei pulls a 360. The fact that it would take her MONTHS to do so is super strange though.

@mei is waifu

When I said "The Tachibana sisters", I'm saying both of them DUH

Mei did vent her pent up emotion to Yuzu on the earliest chapter but it did stop after the arc with her father. I don't even know where they got the idea that Mei was abusive.

@matsuri_wins

There's a reason why it's called "character development" and not personality swap/change. You can't expect Mei to instantly change from being a Kuudere into a Deredere character. But imo saying you can't see how Mei change since volume 1 is total bullsh*t.

if Mei's personality had become like Yuzu or Harumin. I bet a lot of readers will also question this. so, you know to each of their own opinions; I mean, Is there like a believable reason why Mei will instantly become bubbly and friendly to everyone? Last time, I checked the story revolves around Yuzu and Mei and not a group of cute high school girls doing cute things together.

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Oh, guys. Came back to read this after so long and had my heart broken by the last chapter. The suffering is 2 hard 4 my heart I.

Mei warming up to Yuzu is development. Mei growing to see how relationships can be enjoyable for their own sake rather than only for fulfilling obligations is development. Is it well written? Maybe not. But she didn't stay the same.

Also I have to take issue with the idea that since Mei ultimately left Yuzu, that's proof her personality didn't improve at all. Mei's self-destructive loyalty to her family is her most deeply ingrained character flaw, and a relapse was inevitable sooner or later. But that doesn't mean she didn't make any step in the right direction at all. It's just another step on the long road to recovery.

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Mei warming up to Yuzu is development. Meianother growing to see how relationships can be enjoyable for their own sake rather than only for fulfilling obligations is development. Is it well written? Maybe not. But she didn't stay the same.

Also I have to take issue with the idea that since Mei ultimately left Yuzu, that's proof her personality didn't improve at all. Mei's self-destructive loyalty to her family is her most deeply ingrained character flaw, and a relapse was inevitable sooner or later. But that doesn't mean she didn't make any step in the right direction at all. It's just another step on the long road to recovery.

I guess they would rather have Saburo Uta introduce a new character to force another love triangle rather than see Mei and Yuzu resolving one of the main plot of the story.

I can understand why a lot of readers hates Mei rigth now and it's all because we haven't seen her side of the story yet. But there's a reason why volume 8 and 9 showed Mei reciprocating Yuzu's feelings. it is pretty much to remind us that despite her decision, she had really fallen for Yuzu and she was just a victim of circumstances. I don't get why a lot of readers can't see that.

@themusicman500 Mei warming up to Yuzu isnt really progress. It's not like Mei has never had a friend. Mei also still sees that relationships are just for fulfilling obligations since that's exactly what she continues to do. She is the exact same as we saw at the beginning doing the same exact thing since she is repeating what she did in volume 1. This isn't a relapse, it's apparently been a thing this whole time but Mei refused to do anything about it because she didn't learn anything in the last 35 chapters.

@Yuri_lvl100 No, a lot of us just don't want to see Citrus recycle the same exact plot from volume 1. Here we are thinking that the story has progressed and Mei might actually become worthy of Yuzus affection, but turns out that Mei hasn't made any progress at all and continues to be the cause of every single problem in their relationship. Mei isn't a victim of circumstances as we have seen with her father, she just refuses to tell her Grandfather 'No'.

Mei did vent her pent up emotion to Yuzu on the earliest chapter but it did stop after the arc with her father. I don't even know where they got the idea that Mei was abusive.

This sounds like a straight-up contradiction to me. Look, I know we’ve all gotten used to the idea that Mei is a (potentially) sweet broken bird who just needs to stay on her prescribed regimen of large doses of Yuzu-Love to spread her wings and fly freely in the sky (etc.), but Mei’s initial “venting” was nothing but abusive.

From her first “invasion of personal space” confiscation of Yuzu’s phone, to that famous first kiss, to her confrontation with Yuzu in the bath after the accident at the mall, and among still other incidents, especially what can only be called the “assault” of ripping Yuzu’s clothes at the grandfather’s house, Mei’s actions were selfish, aggressive physical violations of another person who clearly did not want them.

Remember, that first kiss came immediately after Yuzu says, “Kissing should be more like . . . reassuring one another’s feelings, you know.” Mei’s subsequent kiss and response, “ That’s what kissing is,” might as well be, “See, kissing is a form of rape.” We first see that Yuzu is an insightful and empathetic person beneath her bubbly gyaru surface when she quickly realizes that Mei’s actions are a function not of malice but of her emotional damage and deep loneliness.

The later turnaround in the Mei/Yuzu relationship after the reconciliation with Mei’s father is certainly real—that’s not at all who Mei is anymore, and although she still causes Yuzu emotional pain, it’s the pain that comes from being in a real, although highly conflicted, personal relationship, not from the violence of a person using someone else as an emotional punching bag.

EDIT: Just in case it’s not clear, I strongly disagree with the reading that goes, “Mei was abusive back then, and she still is.” But she was then.

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@Yuri Queen

Mei warming up to Yuzu is character development. Did you see how cold Mei was to Yuzu in the earliest chapters? Yeah, Mei does have Momokino but Yuzu was the one who change her.

How can you say Mei isn't a victim of circumstances? When how her life works has been laid out like a blueprint for her. Besides, do you really expect Mei to just say "No!" to her grandfather when I don't know how many times Saburo reiterate how much importance Mei gives to her family.

This is the first time in the story that Mei is conflicted between her family obligation and her feelings for Yuzu which we all know is gonna be a major plot in the story but you guys just want Mei and Yuzu to just brush it off lighly and overcome these odds without a hitch because you want to see them all over each other. (gotta recommend wdtfs to these guys, smut yuri manhwa with no plot whatsoever)

I guess they would rather have Saburo Uta introduce a new character to force another love triangle rather than see Mei and Yuzu resolving one of the main plot of the story.

Rather than introducing a new 3rd wheel or coming up with Yet Another Arranged Marriage plot, the author could simply explore the dynamics of their relationship. That doesn't mean it can't be dramatic (example from centuries ago: KareKano). The impression I have so far is that Yuzu and Mei are together out of lust and some weird co-dependency (Yuzu being the rescuer and Mei the emotionally unavailable counterpart). And not because they are 2 people who love talking to each other and doing things together, and that naturally have challenges to overcome. Like, didn't Mei even tell Harumin that she doesn't know what to talk about with Yuzu? That's a hint right there that something ain't right...So yeah they are crazy for each other, but not sure if the reasons for their attraction are healthy/good enough to justify the relationship being long-term. If this is a romance drama, Saburouta is supposed to convince us of that, but I must say I am not convinced yet.

If the 2nd arranged marriage plot was introduced in the context of them being a solid couple, reactions would have been more positive. Instead, the way it happened it's hard to not think Yuzu needs to cut her losses and date someone else she clicks with. If the manga jumps from them barely knowing how to go on dates and being shy about making out, to suddenly Mei throwing her inheritance to the wind and riding into the sunset with Yuzu with no proper development it's going to be the worst ending ever.

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If the manga jumps from them barely knowing how to go on dates and being shy about making out, to suddenly Mei throwing her inheritance to the wind and riding into the sunset with Yuzu with no proper development it's going to be the worst ending ever.

Now, now, don’t exaggerate—the last panel could reveal that the whole thing was a drug-induced hallucination of the guy from Yuri Danshi. EDIT: Who’s married to Yuzu. And having an affair with Mei. Or maybe the other way around.

Besides, I have it on good authority * that when the main story ends it’ll become an open-ended slice-of-life 4-koma called “Yes, Headmistress!” with Yuzu as the wacky sensei-chan school nurse and Mei as, well, you know. Oh, the hijinks they’ll get up to in the school infirmary . . .

• good authority = I just made that up

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Blastaar I would 100% read your story of headmistress Mei and Yuzu as the nurse. All the good yuriness they would both get up to.

Now, now, don’t exaggerate—the last panel could reveal that the whole thing was a drug-induced hallucination of the guy from Yuri Danshi. EDIT: Who’s married to Yuzu. And having an affair with Mei. Or maybe the other way around.

Tumblr servers would overflow with the number of pictures of Citrus mangas being burned lol

Ehhhh

I guess they would rather have Saburo Uta introduce a new character to force another love triangle rather than see Mei and Yuzu resolving one of the main plot of the story.

Rather than introducing a new 3rd wheel or coming up with Yet Another Arranged Marriage plot, the author could simply explore the dynamics of their relationship. That doesn't mean it can't be dramatic (example from centuries ago: KareKano). The impression I have so far is that Yuzu and Mei are together out of lust and some weird co-dependency (Yuzu being the rescuer and Mei the emotionally unavailable counterpart). And not because they are 2 people who love talking to each other and doing things together, and that naturally have challenges to overcome. Like, didn't Mei even tell Harumin that she doesn't know what to talk about with Yuzu? That's a hint right there that something ain't right...So yeah they are crazy for each other, but not sure if the reasons for their attraction are healthy/good enough to justify the relationship being long-term. If this is a romance drama, Saburouta is supposed to convince us of that, but I must say I am not convinced yet.

If the 2nd arranged marriage plot was introduced in the context of them being a solid couple, reactions would have been more positive. Instead, the way it happened it's hard to not think Yuzu needs to cut her losses and date someone else she clicks with. If the manga jumps from them barely knowing how to go on dates and being shy about making out, to suddenly Mei throwing her inheritance to the wind and riding into the sunset with Yuzu with no proper development it's going to be the worst ending ever.

This is what I've been hoping for, too. But like...given what we've seen of SU's track record of constantly introducing new characters, I think a third wheel is what's going to at least jumpstart the next story arc. But I really hope we just end up with what you're suggesting--exploring Yuzu and Mei's relationship and unhealthy co-dependency on each other.

Something I really don't understand at all is: does Ume even know her daughters are together? Because if she doesn't know, why would she just go along with Mei's request of not telling Yuzu anything about the arranged marriage and that she was moving out? Also, is Mei still attending the school? If she isn't, what excuse for not attending school could she possibly give to her super strict Gramps? If she is, then the whole thing of "if I see you my resolve will crumble" is BS, because they will have so many chances to meet lol I fear all logic will be swept under the rug from now on in this story, there is no way SU can get out of this mess otherwise. That's why when I read chapter 36 I was like "oh no, there goes the plot".

Something I really don't understand at all is: does Ume even know her daughters are together?

All good questions. There are a lot of basic things we don't know about Ume, or about how the nuts-and-bolts of all these lives actually work. That's one reason this series has seemed underwritten and rather unconvincing at times. What's the relationship between the mother and the rest of the Aihara family like? Besides the grandfather, how many people are even in that family? What does the mother do for a living? (Among many other questions.)

When it comes to the attending school/class thing, manga in general tend to be pretty mysterious, or at least amazingly diverse, about it--sometimes a single absence brings the homeroom teacher or class president to your front door, sometimes the student council room seems to be a kind of penthouse isolated from the rest of the school where student officers just hang out all the time, sometimes for certain characters--like Mei in this case--actual class attendance seems to be almost entirely optional.

As to your first question, the mom seems to know that Mei and Yuzu became close and that Yuzu is now hurting, but as to what she might know or suspect about a more intimate relationship, that's apparently a secret between herself and her can of beer.

What does the mother do for a living? (Among many other questions.)

In the anime she is shown to be a construction worker.

As to your first question, the mom seems to know that Mei and Yuzu became close and that Yuzu is now hurting, but as to what she might know or suspect about a more intimate relationship, that's apparently a secret between herself and her can of beer.

Maybe that was her plan all along xD https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/955168254745632768

Wow, that ending on Chapter 36 (Yay! I finally caught up). Left me speechless and heartbroken for Yuzu. Is this the broken happy/sad ending? After all those chapters. Finally Mei has put her thoughts down on paper.

Honestly, I don't know to react besides the norm as tho I really feel Yuzu's heart completely obliterated into the void. Just wow....

Matsuri, I can imagine is steamed when she found out or put the last piece of puzzle together.

Alright, I need some fresh air. Damn.

Oh, guys. Came back to read this after so long and had my heart broken by the last chapter. The suffering is 2 hard 4 my heart I.

I'm with you on that Citrus reader. Totally speechless.