"*I* don't have any problem separating fiction from reality. Why can't you people do it?"

Either that, or they very much can but still dislike it - which seems to be the case from the few answers that addressed this point (directly or not). I assumed (biggest mistake) it was why they couldn't enjoy it, but it looks like it's something else. Hence why I try to close a discussion that doesn't seem to exist, so yeah that last sentence wasn't supposed to be engaging.

"Guys guys GUYS, you're all having the TOTALLY WRONG reaction here. Can't you SEE that?"

Ah, yes. They didn't find it funny, I did (not that much, to be honest), I was trying to explain (forcefully/clumsily) why I find it funny. I guess I started a debate where they should be none, because I found the critics/reactions unfair.

But if this was a legitimate debate, shouldn't it work like that? I find something I disagree with, I present arguments to convince the other party. I expect (wish) the other party does the same, and hopefully we can gain from each other's input or, more often than not, just agree to disagree (or go at each other's throat).

Clumsy metaphor incoming : very much like in a fight, if you want to win, you have to go all out and you wish that your opponent does the same; then, if you win, your victory actually means something and if you lose, you can learn from them and see your mistakes, and gain from it. Of course, this requires that both parties are willing participants, or that the fight makes sense.

tl;dr I got ahead of myself.

But we are also in the midst of a cultural change, where a lot of our RomCom tropes are being re-examined. John Cusack's character in Say Anything was considered romantic 30 years ago, but he'd probably be considered a pushy, obnoxious jerk with boundary issues now. Same thing with this comic; the tropes themselves are being criticized, not merely Mochi au Lait's specific implementation of the tropes in this comic.

This I can get behind, even if I don't know the character, so I can't comment on it. This and NezChan's other post are critics that I can understand.

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But if this was a legitimate debate, shouldn't it work like that?

There's nothing to debate, though. There are no wrong reactions to a work. Your reaction is just as subjective as theirs, based on all the little invisible mental currents and experiences that make your mind different from theirs.

And by the time the "debate" takes place, the reaction has already occurred. You are not going to make me retroactively react to the work a different way. I didn't think it was all that funny, and there's no way anyone can argue me into thinking otherwise. The ship has already sailed.

It's like trying to "debate" someone who doesn't like a particular type of food that you yourself happen to like. Someone says "I don't like beer", what is there to debate? "You totally do like beer"? "You totally should like beer"? You can certainly explain why you yourself like beer, and you can even badger them about not liking it, but neither of those things are "debate".

"You cannot reason someone out of something they didn't reason themselves into in the first place." --Jonathan Swift

Way I see it, this is more a discussion (hence the name) than a debate or even an argument, which I'm sure we agree aren't the same thing.

When you get right down to it, the essence of the disagreement was that some folks (me included) think the story is creepy the way it's presented. Others responded that it's comedy so that's fine, and the question arises whether that is enough to make a difference. Nothing to get too invested in, really.

Of whom would you steal panties? Or would do anything else a bit perverted characters do in Japanese stories with panties? She is attracted to her neighbour, which happens to be a female, so...

There is no any significant hints that Kotani-san prefer this exactly neighbour to any other who will crazy enough to let her in. And maybe Okuma-san just shy and non-conflict person, so she prefer to stay silent about missing underwear to the point where she's got nothing to wear. She even may afraid of Kotani-san and build up a courage for talk to reject her properly.

Sure if we assume all yuri stories start with both characters deeply in love, then the mods have a lot of work to do removing tags

My point is that this story really missing something very essential.

Just so I have this straight, people are reacting to Mochi Au Lait stories according to the standards of real life, correct? Yikes . . .

Just so I have this straight, people are reacting to Mochi Au Lait stories according to the standards of real life, correct? Yikes . . .

SUPER YIKES.

I was wondering why there were so many comments on an one shot. It was just a bunch triggered folk. I could see if it was for a more serious toned story, but a Mochi one? I just don't get it. I couldn't take it serious in any sense of the word.

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Just so I have this straight, people are reacting to Mochi Au Lait stories according to the standards of real life, correct? Yikes . . .

Isn't that kind of insulting to Mochi?

@Vankomycin, Well, I agree with everything you said since you started to convince me in your first post

I guess I started a debate where there* should be none, [...].

is where I admit a debate isn't possible. Then I was trying to clarify my wish to understand other's opinion despite the impression you could have by reading what I've written. But an interesting discussion is then to discuss why you don't like it or otherwise.

Nothing to get too invested in, really.

Yeah, I started up way too fast, way too quickly, but then I can't shut up so I keep answering... But ultimately, I agree.

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I've never used the term 'autistic' as an insult before. This comment thread about a one note 4 page comic seriously tempts me.

Just so I have this straight, people are reacting to Mochi Au Lait stories according to the standards of real life, correct? Yikes . . .

Isn't that kind of insulting to Mochi?

Not at all—I think most of the stories are hilarious, in a quirky sort of way. But to me they have about as much to do with real people in real life as an episode of the Smurfs, or the Flintstones.

I've never used the term 'autistic' as an insult before. This comment thread about a one note 4 page comic seriously tempts me.

Princess bride using that word etc etc

Thanks for proving my point.

Only autistic people get into stupid arguments about short fictional stories, I guess. Who woulda thought?

I'll honestly never understand the attitude of not only wanting to avoid thinking critically (even in a pretty minor way like here) about the things you read, but not wanting anyone else to do so either.

I've been running into it a lot lately, in various places.

Only autistic people get into stupid arguments about short fictional stories, I guess. Who woulda thought?

I'm seriously questioning whether you're intentionally strawmanning me or if your level of reading comprehension is just genuinely this bad. With that limp-wristed attempt at sarcastic witticism it really could go either way.
Regardless, I'm peacing out now. I've reached peak contempt already. Have fun with your approximation of critical thinking.

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Your presence will be dearly missed.

The faux superiority is a nice touch, though.

Nezchan posted:

I'll honestly never understand the attitude of not only wanting to avoid thinking critically (even in a pretty minor way like here) about the things you read, but not wanting anyone else to do so either.

I've been running into it a lot lately, in various places.

Anti-intellectualism is an all too pervasive view in humanity, unfortunately. And it's even worse in places such as the US where far too many people take pride in being complete idiots for whatever reason.

I need more of these two.

Nezchan posted:

I'll honestly never understand the attitude of not only wanting to avoid thinking critically (even in a pretty minor way like here) about the things you read, but not wanting anyone else to do so either.

I've been running into it a lot lately, in various places.

Anti-intellectualism is an all too pervasive view in humanity, unfortunately. And it's even worse in places such as the US where far too many people take pride in being complete idiots for whatever reason.

While that may be true in most cases, I feel as though it's kind of pointless here, since I'm pretty sure not much thought went into making this story. I mean that in the least disrespectful way, possible. Kind of like if I wrote a random and bizarre story just to get something down on paper, and people begin to analyze it, but there really isn't anything to breakdown. I can't really control what other individuals think or say, though, can I?

It's not that people are reading to deep into it or are triggered. It's that they don't care for the fact that someone is acting like a bit of a dick and it's being played off as a joke. I personally just found this to be pretty mediocre but I can see why people dislike this, and I can definitely agree that this is in no way Yuri at all.

^ Exactly. I didn't find it as funny as other Mochi works, but that's fine. The only thing that pisses me off is its not even Yuri! I hope it gets a 2nd chapter and some chara development.

This was... really weird and kind of gross. I hope that it gets a continueation only because it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Really? There was a comedy tag for a purpose

I have a bit of a hard time laughing at someone who abuses another persons hospitality to rob them of their clothes. I don’t think that because they’re both girls it makes it okay. But that’s a personal opinion.

I meant that you should read this with lifted spirits, not thinking about the bad things in the comic, like the robbing...just think about the yuri

I need more of this. Now.