Alright, just a little PSA : The author did NOT ask anyone to take anything down, they're simply asking people to come to them for permission first before doing translations or other such modifications to their work.
We're just taking down the chapters temporarily (or maybe indefinitely) until we're done talking with the author about the matter.

Update: We sent a message to the author asking for permission to keep scanlating Model-chan and got an answer just now. Sadly, the author was very against it and told us to stop what we were doing.
Sorry for everyone who enjoyed the series, but we're going to respect the author's wishes and take down everything indefinitely in the end.
Here's the series on pixiv if anyone wants to try to read it later: https://www.pixiv.net/user/2408277/series/7714

Don't tell anyone.

Don't tell anyone.

Imma tell EVERYONE
But yeah, this is more or less the better solution, since it's driving traffic towards the original uploads.

Labhubhul posted:

Sadly, the author was very against it and told us to stop what we were doing.

I legitimately don't get why an author would be against it. The series isn't making them any money as far as I know and the only thing it getting translated will do is make them more popular with people who don't speak Japanese. (Meaning an audience they would otherwise not have.) Did they give any reasoning for their decision?

She did not.

Labhubhul posted:

Sadly, the author was very against it and told us to stop what we were doing.

I legitimately don't get why an author would be against it. The series isn't making them any money as far as I know and the only thing it getting translated will do is make them more popular with people who don't speak Japanese. (Meaning an audience they would otherwise not have.) Did they give any reasoning for their decision?

Maybe she doesn't want to build an English-speaking audience. Maybe she doesn't trust a group of strangers with her work and can't or won't expend her resources establishing oversight.

There's a host of possible reasons. Ultimately it's their work and they get to decide how it's published -

If at all.

I legitimately don't get why an author would be against it. The series isn't making them any money as far as I know and the only thing it getting translated will do is make them more popular with people who don't speak Japanese. (Meaning an audience they would otherwise not have.) Did they give any reasoning for their decision?

I assume it comes down to the fact that it's taking views away from the original uploads (in this case, Pixiv and Twitter). Even when the artwork is more or less free, a lot of artists don't appreciate it when art, including translated versions of it, are uploaded on other accounts or websites instead of sharing the links/retweeting/etc, especially if it ends up getting more views on haha funny Facebook page than it does on the original post. It's probably why a handful of Pixiv artists have (hilariously) taken to translating their own stuff.

Goggled Anon posted:

I assume it comes down to the fact that it's taking views away from the original uploads (in this case, Pixiv and Twitter). Even when the artwork is more or less free, a lot of artists don't appreciate it when art, including translated versions of it, are uploaded on other accounts or websites instead of sharing the links/retweeting/etc, especially if it ends up getting more views on haha funny Facebook page than it does on the original post. It's probably why a handful of Pixiv artists have (hilariously) taken to translating their own stuff.

That's a fair enough point I suppose. Still not something I'd agree with myself for the most part. If I were a decent artist and released stuff online and people liked it enough to translate it to other languages I'd be more happy that people liked it enough to want more people to see it than worried about those versions getting more views. The only actually concern I'd have, personally, is simply that if the people translating it didn't provide source information then someone might come across it and want to see what else has been made but have no idea where to look. But I admittedly seem to be in a minority with my mindset for this sort of thing.

The main issue here is that the scanlators did not ask for permission first before scanlating. It was free, it was on pixiv, it was on twitter. How HARD was it to tell the author that you'd like to translate it to English and spread it to a wider audience? You know Japanese, you translate from Japanese, you should've known to do that. It's common courtesy. Stop defending your rudeness and apologize to the artist.

What's not to understand? Imagine you made something in English and you're very proud of it, and then all of a sudden you see it being translated in Japanese without your permission. You'd be happy you get Japanese exposure, but where do the credits go? To the scanlators and not to the author, because the audience does not understand the source language. In the end they appreciate 'the work' and not 'the author' Still doesn't make sense? Try checking your morals, maybe there's something wrong there.

hinata0604 posted:

In the end they appreciate 'the work' and not 'the author' Still doesn't make sense? Try checking your morals, maybe there's something wrong there.

I'm pretty sure most people appreciate both the work done by the scanlators as well as the author's work itself? That's why with stuff like Mochi Au Lait's work lately you see just as much, if not more (pretty sure it's actually a lot more, at least from what I recall seeing), praise for Mochi than you do for the person doing the scanlation.

If you guys think this is bad just let me remind you that Yomotsuka saw a really badly translated version of one of his short LL stories he literally tweeted it and said that's why he doesn't allow translations. It's the artist's creation, unfortunately if that's how they want it that's how it's gonna be.

You are speaking nonsense, hinata0604, when have you ever seen people here give credits to the "scanlators and not to the author"? Usually we express our gratitude to the scanlation groups, but we also praise, and discuss, and offer criticism about the authors themselves, their approach to storytelling, and whatnot. And I have not seen anyone give credits to scanlators instead of the author, as you implied. That could only happen if the scanlators post the works as their own, which is something that does not happen on this site, you can always see the author's name or internet nickname up there, next to the chapter.

I agree that asking for a permission for these non-commercial works posted on Pixiv and the like, before you start scanlating, is a proper, polite way to go about it, but I also think you are blowing it out of proportions. Generally, I agree with what Alice said on the matter.

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The main issue here is that the scanlators did not ask for permission first before scanlating. It was free, it was on pixiv, it was on twitter. How HARD was it to tell the author that you'd like to translate it to English and spread it to a wider audience? You know Japanese, you translate from Japanese, you should've known to do that. It's common courtesy. Stop defending your rudeness and apologize to the artist.

What's not to understand? Imagine you made something in English and you're very proud of it, and then all of a sudden you see it being translated in Japanese without your permission. You'd be happy you get Japanese exposure, but where do the credits go? To the scanlators and not to the author, because the audience does not understand the source language. In the end they appreciate 'the work' and not 'the author' Still doesn't make sense? Try checking your morals, maybe there's something wrong there.

If it makes you feel better, we actually did apologize to the author quite a few times and felt very bad about the whole thing.
And I see your point on the permission asking and all that, but I fail to see how the credits all went to the scanlators and not to the author; we never even tried to pretend that the work was ours and did credit properly, so I really don't see your point.

Most of the time, I see scanlators get mentioned either to thank them for bringing the work of whatever awesome artist actually did the story, or getting on their case when they fuck something up. I don't think anyone's looking at Recently Added and going "Oh goodie! The new Yuri-ism is here!" instead of being excited about the author themselves, whose name is a lot more prominent.

Also arguing about permission on a site steeped in piracy is still very weird to me...regardless, it's been removed and won't be coming back.

Nezchan posted:

Most of the time, I see scanlators get mentioned either to thank them for bringing the work of whatever awesome artist actually did the story, or getting on their case when they fuck something up. I don't think anyone's looking at Recently Added and going "Oh goodie! The new Yuri-ism is here!" instead of being excited about the author themselves, whose name is a lot more prominent.

I kind of do in a way, when I see Yuri-ism or a few others as the scanlating team I'm like "ooh this is probably going to be good". Your point stands though.

It's obviously their decision but I think the author is being pretty stupid here: you posted your work on the internet on a free platform. How more obvious can it be that it is going to spread? Might as well not post it in the first place if it's how you feel about it... (Especially in regards to not wanting people to use their work as avatar etc, I can understand wanting to make sure it isn't mistranslated)

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I liked this author's work. I looked forward to more of it. But unless it ever gets an official English translation, I'll probably never see it again.

I don't think the scanlators did anything wrong. Thank you for bringing this new series to our attention, and I will gladly read anything you pick out next, hopefully by a more open-minded author.

This is confirmed to be one of the series on Yurihime@pixiv (YH's web manga platform), starting Sept 28th. I guess it'll be a new version.

This is confirmed to be one of the series on Yurihime@pixiv (YH's web manga platform), starting Sept 28th. I guess it'll be a new version.

What! I'm hyped. Too bad I'll still have no idea what they say.

This is confirmed to be one of the series on Yurihime@pixiv (YH's web manga platform), starting Sept 28th. I guess it'll be a new version.

What! I'm hyped. Too bad I'll still have no idea what they say.

Though unlikely, maybe somebody could ask to translate, and then look into posting on Pixiv or wherever else under the artist. At the very least, I wanna be able to keep up with it :c

18 days until September 28th, I can't wait!

I don't where to ask but what happened to the chapter here they vanished

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