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joined Feb 7, 2013

Wow, 1.7 million yen, wtf.

That's some pretty lax school they have there. My school would have expelled any student who broke anything that cost that much. Seriously, deliberately breaking chairs was almost good enough to get you expelled; my school also gave suspension and required a public apology (which was more like public humiliation) for a bully who didn't even break anything.

Plus general bullying from more than one source wasn't tolerated either. A situation like this would have netted a major investigation and likely anyone even peripherally involved would have been suspended. If deemed necessary, my school probably wouldn't have hesitated to do a mid-year reshuffle of classes and just break up everyone in the trouble class.

EDIT: then again, my school had 1 bullying case in about 4 years, and despite this, also issued combination locks for everyone's lockers. We were quite a well-behaved bunch but my school didn't really trust us, lol.

last edited at Jul 7, 2013 4:02AM

Tomoko_kuroki__by_djvm4god-d53x3z6
joined Nov 9, 2012

I read this awhile ago, i enjoy this.

kids can be cruel

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joined Apr 10, 2013

I read this awhile ago, i enjoy this.

kids can be cruel

The world is cruel. Not only kids.

Anyways, man, that's really one heavy stuff. And those children pointing the blame on others, not even taking responsibility to their own problems. Not that I'm one to talk either since I'm human. We do those things once in a while. I'd really want to be friends with that girl. She seemed nice. And very, very understanding. And that boy too, he slowly raised his hand even though he hesitated.

I want to fucking kill that fucking teacher, throwing him into Shingeki universe and personally throw him inside the mouth of those Titans.

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joined Feb 2, 2013

Wow, 1.7 million yen, wtf.

That's some pretty lax school they have there. My school would have expelled any student who broke anything that cost that much.

yes, it's the world that is cruel, because the school expell you if you break school property, not a student's,

anyway, i wish i hadn't read this this morning, it's very sad

joined Feb 7, 2013

Nah, not just the school's property, anyone's. I can totally see my school expelling a student for say, vandalising an unrelated shop. Or drawing graffitti in public areas.

Breaking expensive hearing aids like that (as well as actually causing injury) would more or less have expulsion as a minimum punishment (I'm not sure what else the school can do though).

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joined Feb 7, 2013

Good manga. It teachs me a lot of things.

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joined May 17, 2013

Well at least the ending made me feel better.

Yurikosmaller2
joined May 28, 2011

this was well done.

Yayoi
joined Jan 31, 2013

I don't know how people can sit back and watch someone get bullied everyday ... I was never one to sit back and let it happen. Thank god bullying was very rare at the high school I graduated from. This one shot had me ready to kick some ass lol.

TsundereChan
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joined Apr 4, 2012

for some reason i personally never saw any bullying in my 4 high school years in the US. maybe it happened where i couldnt see. i got along with pretty much anyone. kids can be cruel. bad parenting is mostly the reason but then again those parents probably had shitty parents and it repeats. in conclusion society is just fucked up

Ouroboros_tatoo
joined Mar 18, 2013

Yay! I'm glad I can read this here now.

Prprcharlotte_8
joined Apr 1, 2013

I was really pissed at first but i found the ending quite nice.
With a little romance it'd have been better but i feel like asking too much x)

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joined Mar 2, 2013

I read this awhile back on Fakku nice to see it here so I can favorite it and just read it over and over because god I love this story soooo much ;^;

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joined Apr 15, 2013

I was really pissed at first but i found the ending quite nice.
With a little romance it'd have been better but i feel like asking too much x)

I kind of feel like romance would have lessened the impact of the story. As is, it is a very human story that hits you right in the feels. Powerful stuff.

joined Jul 8, 2013

I'm sorry, but even for kids what all of those people were doing was just too cruel. Maybe if all they were doing was ignoring her I could forgive them in the end, but they went too far. They were beating her, pushing her into puddles, mocking her LITERALLY TO HER FACE, and destroying her SUPER EXPENSIVE equipment. It's just wrong. Frankly, all of those people should just go die because the world would be a MUCH BETTER PLACE without people like them. Even the MC who became nice in the end AND tried to own up to his wrongs at the time doesn't deserve forgiveness since he was the worst while she was still protecting his feelings. In fact, the deaf girl deserves acceptance into sainthood for all they did while the rest of her classmates simply deserved a very early death!
Seriously, mangas like this do nothing but enrage me because they act like people can be forgiven for anything if they just say sorry, but, frankly, that shouldn't be the case. If that was the case, we wouldn't need the death penalty or prison. Actually, if those kids weren't minors they could have been facing jail-time (in America, at least) or, at the very least, fines so large that their lives would, deservingly, be ruined for a good amount of time.

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joined Oct 12, 2010

Um. Wow.

Po
joined Oct 29, 2014

yeah i got the story i used to be bullied so i didn't enjoy this at all in fact it just made me want to go and kick they're a**es yep....the art was good tho not bad (y) i also liked the ending.

2x2-shinobuden-m001
joined Dec 14, 2014

I'm not too sure how to feel about the ending as I don't think the male MC learned anything from it and his explanation that everything happened because "You suffered because no one could hear your voice" and "All we did was hurt each other. We never used our voices." smacks of victim blaming as he turns her into the person who started it and from a victim to a culprit and himself into a victim of her actions. Especially the latter can only refer to her not picking up her soaked notebook, the abuse he suffered by the hands of his classmates and their fight in the hallway.

And then he has two emotional outbursts/over the top reactions over something she said years ago and the handshake and the author says that their "youthful days" had just begun and we were to cheer them on. I find that incredibly jarring with everything that happened before. I thought she would just leave and go on with her life. Also, I was confused where they met again. In highschool?

Fortunately, at least in the US and Europe, that level of bullying or mobbing is rare (having to do with awareness through the media, a concerted professional approach by the staff and closing power vacuums in the schools structure). The last case I saw was that a class decided to avoid an exchange student because they were immature and didn't know what they were missing out on by not experiencing something new. Having said that, anything that goes beyond theft, shunning, ridicule and lasts longer than a couple weeks or turns into fights that draw blood is incredibly rare, because it is hard to pull of for the bullies and there are simply not a lot of students who have the mental and developmental deficits to do it. Pull a prank that leaves the other person bloodied? You'll probably stop. Beat up a girl in a serious fight that you started? Well, there is probably something seriously wrong with you that won't disappear as you grow up and that requires therapy.

Is the series worth reading? I wouldn't really want to read this again drawn out to 60 chapters.

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Alice Cheshire Moderator
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joined Nov 7, 2014

Frankly, all of those people should just go die because the world would be a MUCH BETTER PLACE without people like them. Even the MC who became nice in the end AND tried to own up to his wrongs at the time doesn't deserve forgiveness since he was the worst while she was still protecting his feelings. In fact, the deaf girl deserves acceptance into sainthood for all they did while the rest of her classmates simply deserved a very early death!

If someone has legitimately realized they've made a mistake and want to make up for it there is no reason to not allow them a chance other than to be petty.

I'm not too sure how to feel about the ending as I don't think the male MC learned anything from it and his explanation that everything happened because "You suffered because no one could hear your voice" and "All we did was hurt each other. We never used our voices." smacks of victim blaming as he turns her into the person who started it and from a victim to a culprit and himself into a victim of her actions. Especially the latter can only refer to her not picking up her soaked notebook, the abuse he suffered by the hands of his classmates and their fight in the hallway.

I really don't get how that's victim blaming at all. He's not saying she was at fault for it. He was saying that because she couldn't actually talk and because no one else was willing to use the notebook there was a huge lack of communication. It's clear he thinks that the classmates are the ones completely at fault for it. (And the teacher doesn't look to be remotely innocent either.)

2x2-shinobuden-m001
joined Dec 14, 2014

If someone has legitimately realized they've made a mistake and want to make up for it there is no reason to not allow them a chance other than to be petty.

It's perfectly fine to decide that enough is enough. None of us is entitled that someone else has to put up with us. Of course there are levels of relatedness which facilitate forgiveness, probably our friends and families. But as far as strangers are concerned or people who have harmed you, why not sever the ties? Asking for forgiveness can be an instrument to trap people in dependency (not saying this is necessarily the case here).

I really don't get how that's victim blaming at all. He's not saying she was at fault for it. He was saying that because she couldn't actually talk and because no one else was willing to use the notebook there was a huge lack of communication. It's clear he thinks that the classmates are the ones completely at fault for it. (And the teacher doesn't look to be remotely innocent either.)

Maybe I'm too picky about the actual wording, but I think it's important that any statement made depicts what actually happened. Her using a notebook and the class refusing to use it only resulted in what you said, a failure to communicate, which would have been fine to some degree and no one would have got hurt. It took a bit more cruelty on the classmates' half to gang up on her and the boy was who instigated that dynamic. Saying there was no communication remains on an observational level, but not enough to provide an explanation why everything got ugly.

The other statement doesn't account for the fact that she never hurt anybody. He was not hurt by her. They only people who put the hurt on others were him and his classmates on her and then later on his classmates mobbing him. And both situations were one-sided with one side hurting the other. There is nothing reciprocal about it as "We hurt each other" suggests. "We hurt you" would be a concession that is not self-exculpatory and I find it incredibly lachrymose to tell her that he, too, was hurt. At best that is totally uninteresting to her. Why should she care?

Of course it's important to state the failure the teacher is. Today's teacher training focuses on the aspect of "caring" as far as classroom management is concerned. Scandinavia is pretty good at choosing apt people for the job, Europe is catching up. A short Google search showed me that teacher training in Japan is actually highly selective, but maybe they apply the wrong kind of scrutiny? Interesting.

Alice Cheshire Moderator
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joined Nov 7, 2014

The other statement doesn't account for the fact that she never hurt anybody. He was not hurt by her. They only people who put the hurt on others were him and his classmates on her and then later on his classmates mobbing him. And both situations were one-sided with one side hurting the other. There is nothing reciprocal about it as "We hurt each other" suggests. "We hurt you" would be a concession that is not self-exculpatory and I find it incredibly lachrymose to tell her that he, too, was hurt. At best that is totally uninteresting to her. Why should she care?

I actually took that "we hurt each other" bit to refer to the fight there near the end though having another look I think I misinterpreted that bit. I think that could be taken as victim blaming in the vein of " if it weren't for my actions related to bullying you then I wouldn't have ended up in such a shitty situation" which is somewhat understandable (not justified however) since he got the full blame for the bullying dumped on him by others who were about as bad and on top of that they started bullying him too which would of course only serve to warp his perception of the situation.

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joined May 8, 2013

This left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. I've seen bullying (been picked on myself) but not to that level and the fact it was class wide and no teacher did anything about it made me upset.

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joined Feb 12, 2016

for some reason i personally never saw any bullying in my 4 high school years in the US. maybe it happened where i couldnt see. i got along with pretty much anyone. kids can be cruel. bad parenting is mostly the reason but then again those parents probably had shitty parents and it repeats. in conclusion society is just fucked up

True dat =_=

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joined Sep 10, 2015

I wonder why the movie was popular when the kid being bullied made friends with the bully. Good thing I found the answer without seeing the movie itself since I don't wanna watch it. Sure he's changed but I still don't like him in the end ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I would probably forgive him but would not be friends with him at all. :P

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joined Oct 18, 2017

I loved the anime. It touches the heart with sincerity of a changed person who went an extra mile to understand and to be understood as well.

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