If you're trying to define futaribeya I think the question that needs to be asked is "what is a romantic relationship anyway?"

We see that saku and kasu refuse to define their relationship so narrowly, but that doesn't mean the relationship ISNT romantic- just that its not ONLY romantic

If you're trying to define futaribeya I think the question that needs to be asked is "what is a romantic relationship anyway?"

We see that saku and kasu refuse to define their relationship so narrowly, but that doesn't mean the relationship ISNT romantic- just that its not ONLY romantic

Yes changing the tags or simply calling them "friends" seems to miss the entire point of this chapter (the series too but this chapter is most recent). I guess that's expected though, also considering the chapter.

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It is a long running tradition for me that when I am reminded Room for Two exists, that I afterwards read Unbreakable Sugar Bowl as an antidote.

'girlfriend' 'dating' 'relationship'
all of these are DESCRIPTIVE terms, not prescriptive ones- hinako is looking at sakurako and kasumi with a prescriptivist eye, trying to fit them to one of her labels

'girlfriend' 'dating' 'relationship'
all of these are DESCRIPTIVE terms, not prescriptive ones

Yes, that's the point. Sakurako explicitly rejects her relationship with Kasumi being described as 'dating', 'girlfriends' or anything similar. Hinako's intent hardly matters here when Sakurako explicitly says they're not dating, so the term should not apply, either prescriptively or descriptively.

(One might argue that they are "girlfriends in denial", and I can see how one would feel they're girlfriends in all but name, but at this point, with their relationship clearly established and the "progress" part of the manga clearly over, it seems it would be the reader claiming that who's in denial. I'm assuming we should take what Sakurako says at face value. This would not apply if we were still in the middle of the story or the relationship was still taking shape.)

Given that the manga explicitly rejects them being girlfriends, it honestly seems weird that Dynasty would apply to their relationship the tag Couple Life (it's debatable what makes a 'couple' but generally that assumes two people are dating ; though I suppose roommates could be described as a couple too), and especially Romance (after explicitly denying they're girlfriends).

As it stands, it feels like the tags are claiming something the text explicitly rejects, and honestly, it feels weird - like we're forcing our interpretation of their relationship onto them against the characters' own words.

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Characters’ words in a narrative, especially when talking to other characters, but also in their own thoughts, are not inherently something to take at face value.

Even characters in story are frustrated with how undefined the relatiionship is.

I can't help wonder if they have a sex life with each other. We know Sakurako has a sex drive but it has always been questionable about Kasumi.

Even characters in story are frustrated with how undefined the relatiionship is.

I can't help wonder if they have a sex life with each other. We know Sakurako has a sex drive but it has always been questionable about Kasumi.

None of those characters were frustrated in this chapter. They were very chill and understanding but had reasonable questions. They were thoughtful, like the rest of the cast.

Given that the manga explicitly rejects them being girlfriends, it honestly seems weird that Dynasty would apply to their relationship the tag Couple Life (it's debatable what makes a 'couple' but generally that assumes two people are dating ; though I suppose roommates could be described as a couple too), and especially Romance (after explicitly denying they're girlfriends).

I'm not sure how not wanting to be defined as girlfriends (or anything else) precludes this from being a romance, given what we know. Same for "couple life." The manga presents the idea that, while they don't feel the need to define their relationship along traditional lines, what they have goes beyond most of the terms people use for them.

This chapter said directly that platonic love does not describe them correctly; they are not platonic. It also made clear familial love isn't right either. Both are said to be inadequate, so nearly every label is rejected. They aren't just roommates and definitely are not just friends. They have romantic feelings. They are a couple of some sort, but they do not consider themselves dating (or at least are not concerned with that label), while being in some form of exclusive relationship with each other that is secure. I don't think avoiding labels should change anything. I think the tags fit fine.

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It's honestly a weirdly immature mindset to me. Like yes, the manga portrays it as being so mature. But to me it really feels like the childish urge to come across as so special and unique, "our relationship isn't friendship or romance, it's special and unique, you wouldn't understand, we are so much more enlightened than all those people who would just call it dating".

It's honestly a weirdly immature mindset to me. Like yes, the manga portrays it as being so mature. But to me it really feels like the childish urge to come across as so special and unique, "our relationship isn't friendship or romance, it's special and unique, you wouldn't understand, we are so much more enlightened than all those people who would just call it dating".

They just keep to themselves. How are they acting enlightened? Why does their not wanting a label for their own relationship make someone else uncomfortable? I've never really understood that. They're comfortable, happy and relaxed yet there's this trend to demand labels or to assume they must actually be miserable for some reason, despite everything to the contrary.

wish i never read about these platonic soulmates, but maybe i'll understand it sometime

This chapter said platonic love does not describe them either, nor does familiar love. It's labels in general that were rejected, not romantic labels. They're definitely not platonic.

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It seems that whenever the subject of romance or dating has come up since 'Special 3: The things I want to ask but haven't been able', Sakurako has 'worried eyes' while saying there's no need to change what she has w/ Kasumi. Regardless of what she says, it seems she wants more from her relationship w/ Kasumi. Regardless, any new Futaribeya chapter is a treat.

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Given that the manga explicitly rejects them being girlfriends, it honestly seems weird that Dynasty would apply to their relationship the tag Couple Life

They’ve been a couple since the last panel of Chapter 1.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/a_room_for_two_ch01#16

How does the sis look the same even though around ten years has gone by since first introduced?

Also kind of missed the fact she says they built their own house. How long have they been out of college to been able do that.

Even characters in story are frustrated with how undefined the relatiionship is.

I can't help wonder if they have a sex life with each other. We know Sakurako has a sex drive but it has always been questionable about Kasumi.

None of those characters were frustrated in this chapter. They were very chill and understanding but had reasonable questions. They were thoughtful, like the rest of the cast.

Completely missing the point. Even in story other cast is asking why they aren't girlfriends a couple whatever you want to define it.

People also seem to forget Sakurako straight out asked Kasumi about being a couple with her. She kind of ended up taking what she could get with this whole relationship not relationship thing.

Given that the manga explicitly rejects them being girlfriends, it honestly seems weird that Dynasty would apply to their relationship the tag Couple Life

They’ve been a couple since the last panel of Chapter 1.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/a_room_for_two_ch01#16

They look so young!

People also seem to forget Sakurako straight out asked Kasumi about being a couple with her. She kind of ended up taking what she could get with this whole relationship not relationship thing.

That is a reasonable read, but we also really don’t know - again, that is where the narrative pulls back and we lose a lot of insight into interior thoughts and conversations between Sakurako and Kasumi. The frustration comes from narrative structure.

However, I also read it that way, unfortunately. Facial expressions in manga are always very vague so this is NOT a forceful argument or anything, but second panel in this page seems really sad/resigned to me.
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/a_room_for_two_special_4_sisters#7

We know Yukiko is big on BDSM (in spite of being a shut in), so imo Room for Two is her inflicting maximum pain on me personally. Fortunately I’m kinda into that.

Even characters in story are frustrated with how undefined the relatiionship is.

I can't help wonder if they have a sex life with each other. We know Sakurako has a sex drive but it has always been questionable about Kasumi.

If you read yukiko’s oneshot “Tomorrow When I Wake Up”, it indirectly implies that they did have a sexual relationship and possibly continue to have.
I think it’s decently important because as Hinako says, the label of ‘platonic relationship’ doesn’t quite fit them.

Given how complete Futaribeya is as a story and how insistently yukiko has repeated saku’s desire not to be bound by labels, I’m inclined to believe that that’s the intention: that Sakurako (Kasumi doesn’t seem to really care) doesn’t believe the words ‘dating’ or ‘girlfriends’ fits them.

But PERSONALLY I am desperately headcanoning that this is Sakurako trying to convince herself that she’s happy with how things are. I am going to read too deeply into it but I want to believe that the reason she has this little monologue about change on tap is because it’s what she tells herself. I would love to think that the reason yukiko includes Hinako mentioning how scary the chance of losing the relationship is, is because that’s what Sakurako is most afraid of.

Even characters in story are frustrated with how undefined the relatiionship is.

None of those characters were frustrated in this chapter. They were very chill and understanding but had reasonable questions. They were thoughtful, like the rest of the cast.

Completely missing the point. Even in story other cast is asking why they aren't girlfriends a couple whatever you want to define it.

As I said, they were very chill and understanding but had reasonable questions. They were thoughtful, like the rest of the cast. Asking questions is not frustration, and that was your point. Questions are normal. They asked, got answers, and respected those answers. Some of these attempts to make characters more bothered than they are shown to be are really a stretch to me, and the evidence to the contrary is so much more prevalent, straightforward, and consistent with the series' tone and themes. The official translation is a bit different than this one also and that changes things a bit.

However, I also read it that way, unfortunately. Facial expressions in manga are always very vague so this is NOT a forceful argument or anything, but second panel in this page seems really sad/resigned to me.
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/a_room_for_two_special_4_sisters#7

The page you quote is connected to the following one, which puts that in context in a good way, not a bad one. It's a commentary on their trust and security without the need for labels. The friend is in awe of their relationship and admits she'd not be as secure as they clearly are. Labels are being presented as something connected to security and the need for reassurance, things that the MCs are not as bothered by and seem to have already.

It's a positive thing. The only person worried about breaking up is Hinako--part of the point about her being more worried about security and the need for reassurance. They then go on to an example with Kasumi being out at dinner and Saku not being worried. Trust and security are natural for them, label or not. Another thing Hinako is surprised by and is told to learn from by her GF (I guess she'd be a jealous mess lol).

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It kinda feels like Hinako just put the definitive stamp on Sakurako and Kasumi's relationship. And i dont like it! Please tell me, We're not leaving the story here. Tell me I didnt just follow Sakurako and Kasumi through highschool, collage, and into their adult lives just to see them end up in a romantic no man's land. It's boring. It's disappointing. It's down right unsatisfying. It's like when you feel a big sneeze coming on, but just when it's just about to hit, the feeling fades away. Well not quite like that, but if there is a more apt analogy for tension building to some big pleasurable catharsis, that never comes, I don't know it.
Please just don't be rapping it like this.

So anal retentive over a single word...

Even characters in story are frustrated with how undefined the relatiionship is.

I can't help wonder if they have a sex life with each other. We know Sakurako has a sex drive but it has always been questionable about Kasumi.

If you read yukiko’s oneshot “Tomorrow When I Wake Up”, it indirectly implies that they did have a sexual relationship and possibly continue to have.
I think it’s decently important because as Hinako says, the label of ‘platonic relationship’ doesn’t quite fit them.

Given how complete Futaribeya is as a story and how insistently yukiko has repeated saku’s desire not to be bound by labels, I’m inclined to believe that that’s the intention: that Sakurako (Kasumi doesn’t seem to really care) doesn’t believe the words ‘dating’ or ‘girlfriends’ fits them.

But PERSONALLY I am desperately headcanoning that this is Sakurako trying to convince herself that she’s happy with how things are. I am going to read too deeply into it but I want to believe that the reason she has this little monologue about change on tap is because it’s what she tells herself. I would love to think that the reason yukiko includes Hinako mentioning how scary the chance of losing the relationship is, is because that’s what Sakurako is most afraid of.

Where would you read Tomorrow When I Wake Up?

I'm suprised at all the comments malding and calling it bait. The manga is hitting you on the head that their relationship is something that is both platonic and romantic. The entire point is how not everything needs to fit in neat boxes. A rejection of rigid lables imposed by society.

"They were roommates" (derogatory)

What does "both platonic and romantic" even mean?

So anal retentive over a single word...

You were implying they are more bothered than they are. I responded by explaining that they asked normal, friendly, inquisitive questions, were respectful, and playful. You could have chosen any word. I'm not sure what this response means or why you'd ignore the rest of what I said, but OK.

I'm suprised at all the comments malding and calling it bait. The manga is hitting you on the head that their relationship is something that is both platonic and romantic. The entire point is how not everything needs to fit in neat boxes. A rejection of rigid lables imposed by society.

It's very uncompromising in how it depicts their relationship, which I guess is a bit foreign.

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