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Nora89
Yeah, yoonie0104 is winning both ways. XD
You're the last person that deserves that fate and it would be sad to see happen (although, in mobile, you can't see avatars anyways).
I just finished making 10 slides of parallelism and similarities between chapters
Cool. :D
Yeah, yoonie0104 is winning both ways. XD
You're the last person that deserves that fate and it would be sad to see happen (although, in mobile, you can't see avatars anyways).
If I lost, then that's what I deserve for having such an oversized ego supported by huge confidence XD.
Nora89
Maybe, but at least you can sufficiently back up your confidence. :)
Alright, I may not know a word in Korean, but when I first saw this chapter.. I was truly amazed. Till the end of time I would say, the ending was planned right from the beginning.. everything is connected.. every panel can be traced to another.. I collected just a few that are related to this particular chapter.
This chapter has a reference to a scene in Ch2, YES!.. remember what Sumin said about her nightmares ? http://imgur.com/UP4E7ap
Seju sleeping deeply.. the kind of Sumin's dream.. and how she feels waking up next to her.reference to ch17.. notice how Ms. Choi reacts to Sumin's mention of anniversary and related matters and Ms.Choi's demand.. and see Seju's reaction and her wish.
reference to ch 33, Ms. Choi reaction to the Marriage issue, then look at Seju's.. waaaaay back in ch33 Seju's comment had a deeper meaning to Sumin than the one we understood back then.. their PROMISES. This moment we saw was planned from way before.
http://imgur.com/Pmw37yG
http://imgur.com/oITWysM
http://imgur.com/g539lGxreference to ch50, Sorry.. I couldn't over look these panels..
http://imgur.com/9UBypyu
http://imgur.com/0pnXqGereference to ch30, remember Sumin's guilt and feeling of inadequacy ?.. pay attention to the similarities in location and color of cloths.
http://imgur.com/rOrlFwYreference to ch29.. what did Sumin remember by looking at the ocean?
http://imgur.com/5GGkZEOreference to ch77.. what mistake is Sumin talking about.. I also thought of ch64 bed talk.. Seju talked about her "dumb mistake".. and in this chapter they both talk about their mistakes subtly..
http://imgur.com/g6DLqQT
http://imgur.com/a/rtZkA
lastly: hehehe.. I love the scars liking thing~
http://imgur.com/NgmWvAo
here is a link for everything:
http://imgur.com/a/AUHti
Now.. I think in one chapter, it can be easily proven that every panel is well planned ahead to lead to where we are today.
last edited at Jul 9, 2017 10:21AM
Chapter 86 breaks my heart. I still root for Seju and Sumin even if there's little glimmer of hope.
Damn it Sumin! Why didn't you gave Seju another CHANCE? How many years do you still need to forgive her?
Okay I'll just wallow in pain and listen to a female version of Coldplay's The Scientist
"Nobody said it was easy, No one ever said it would be this hard.... Oh take me back to the start......."
sayuri12
I am not one to bet, because only the authors know 100% what the ending is. It is not over until it is over, as the saying goes.
However, I believe that they have laid out a clear, solid ending for Seju and Sumin. All the pieces just need to come together. Their ending is the most logical one, given all that has been built up.
Team Gaji has not seemed to do the same for Sungji and Sumin. An ending for them would be open-ended and there is no clear goal that is set up for them.
That's the difference in my opinion, how final and definite the story could end.
We're thinking the same then. I honestly believe that things can change up until the last minute with the way they set up. Right now though, I'm leaning towards Seju/Sumin being more possible.
At the start I thought WDTFS would be a story of healing where in Sungji would be healing Sumin from her past with Seju. But as things went on, I was convinced otherwise. Why? whenever I looked at it as if I was the writer, it made no sense why there were too many ties back to Seju. Over and Over again, it just kept going back to their relationship. I was thinking, why would they do that? to make things more dramatic when they leave each other in the end? But there were already moments where they could've ended it permanently. I mean there's no doubt that Seju will always be important to Sumin. But if they were going for Sungji/Sumin, then why aren't they putting more effort in substance to their relationship. It still doesn't outweigh the Sumin/Seju relationship at all. It still hasn't. Looking at all the events now, the next chapters are going to show if Sungji/Sumin will be able to overcome Sumin/Seju which is why I'm quite unsure at times.
Honestly though, I just honestly wish for a good ending where everyone is happy and everything can be resolved. Or well least give Seju one with or without Sumin.
Team Everyone Happy Here.
last edited at Jul 9, 2017 11:26AM
Chapter 86 breaks my heart. I still root for Seju and Sumin even if there's little glimmer of hope.
Damn it Sumin! Why didn't you gave Seju another CHANCE? How many years do you still need to forgive her?
Okay I'll just wallow in pain and listen to a female version of Coldplay's The Scientist
"Nobody said it was easy, No one ever said it would be this hard.... Oh take me back to the start......."
I believe at this point, sumin has forgiven seju.... even blame herself for everything that has happened. But she can't go back to seju since she is already have sungji now, who is innocent and loves sumin they way she is. I'm still wondering if all sumin's effort to make things right between her and sungji is because she loves her or just because she feels indebted.
Ch 59, sumin feels pain when she see sungi having hard time. In other words she cares.
Wait..... I think TG gives a hint about this a lot of times....
About the relationship vs expectations. Can a relationship survive without any expectation? It's a grey area... BUT
What do you think the answer will be for this manhwa?
https://www.quora.com/Is-a-relationship-free-from-expectations-realistic
IMO,
What seju expect sumin is to be with her, always. Ch 26 and ch 86
What sungji expect sumin is to love her more than seju. TG has shown sungji insecurities a lot
What sumin expect seju is her undying love, remember she doubt seju will slept with anyone and when she think seju has slept with name, sumin feels angry. And this https://m.imgur.com/9UBypyu
My question is
What sumin expect for sungji?
...... ch 63
Omo.... is it another hint?
last edited at Jul 9, 2017 12:38PM
lastly: hehehe.. I love the scars liking thing~
http://imgur.com/NgmWvAo
Both happened in their dreams :).
Since I feel like it's really almost the end. Can I just ask how many of you guys are betting on a Seju/Sumin Ending VS. Sunji/Sumin right now? I always thought that Seju/Sumin was the possible dark horse in this race to Sumin's heart. Logically, in the beginning I thought that Sunji/Sumin would be the end ship(just because they were always shown) but after learning more about Seju/Sumin's backstory and everything else that has already...I have to say it added depth to the story that I just had to follow because it didn't feel like a typical love triangle story and now I think anything really is possible.
I felt for Sumin x Seju in chapter 3, then as the story progresses, I started to like Sungi and thought maybe she is the one Sumin really needs. And then Seju showed up again, once again, I saw how strong their bond is, I don't think sumin x sungi will ever have that level of connection. Sumin and Sungi's relationship feel very... cautious, for lack of better words, while sumin and Seju is more honest and intimate.
Vanbun
About the relationship vs expectations. Can a relationship survive without any expectation? It's a grey area... BUT
What do you think the answer will be for this manhwa?
Very crucial question!!.. the answer to it is what makes the ending justified
What sumin expect for sungji?
the answer to this question was given thrice at least
I believe at this point, sumin has forgiven seju.... even blame herself for everything that has happened.
they can't be together unless they trust each other.. this is what the ring represents. I don't know exactly when Sumin forgave Seju or whether she knows that Seju didn't sleep with the bartender in the first place. (she claimed hating Seju, why?)
hlama
lastly: hehehe.. I love the scars liking thing~
http://imgur.com/NgmWvAoBoth happened in their dreams :).
I don't know about ch14, it seemed like it was before the dream.
last edited at Jul 9, 2017 12:32PM
Food for Thoughts
once, Foxy lady mentioned something about the symbolism of the hair color.. since we are at it.. and discussed what Ms. Choi represents to Sumin.. why is her hair color Maroon and Seju's hair is Pink ?
what is the relation between those to colors ?
hint:
Pink= White + Red
Maroon= Black + Red
What sumin expect for sungji?
the answer to this question was given thrice at least
And what is it? Ch 63"sumin answer is kinda weak
they can't be together unless they trust each other.. this is what the ring represents.
Yep.. before they are able to believe with each other, I don't want seju and sumin end up together lmao... it's one thing that they need to figure it out together.
last edited at Jul 9, 2017 12:47PM
lastly: hehehe.. I love the scars liking thing~
http://imgur.com/NgmWvAoBoth happened in their dreams :).
I don't know about ch14, it seemed like it was before the dream.
Oh, you are right the dream comes after. My memory fooled me :(.
last edited at Jul 9, 2017 12:46PM
Vanbun
And what is it? Ch 63"sumin answer is kinda weak
ch56 (stairway talk), ch59 (on the street), ch67
Yep.. before they are able to believe with each other, I don't want seju and sumin end up together lmao... it's one thing that they need to figure it out together.
this chapter.. for the first time.. the both admits doing each other wrong.. will the next chapter carry on from the flashback we stopped by?.. and how
hlama
Oh, you are right the dream comes after. My memory fooled me :(.
hehe.. since you are at it.. doesn't feel weird that Sumin's first girl after Seju was the scent shop one, Sumin had the tattoo when she revenge slept with her.. but in ch14, you see Sumin talking about breakups and ex'es while her tattoo is not there.. and it's her dream.. why did Gaji do that!
Vanbun
And what is it? Ch 63"sumin answer is kinda weak
ch56 (stairway talk), ch59 (on the street), ch67
Lmao... still can't get it. Is it "chance"? what is it?
Vanbun
ch56 (stairway talk), ch59 (on the street), ch67
Lmao... still can't get it. Is it "chance"? what is it?
sayuri12
We're thinking the same then. I honestly believe that things can change up until the last minute with the way they set up. Right now though, I'm leaning towards Seju/Sumin being more possible.
You are very cautious, like me. XD Sometimes I think that way, but then I think a last minute change-up would not make sense (unless Team Gaji can do something about that).
But if they were going for Sungji/Sumin, then why aren't they putting more effort in substance to their relationship. It still doesn't outweigh the Sumin/Seju relationship at all. It still hasn't.
You are right. I feel the same way. They seem to have been showing the opposite for Sungji and Sumin: instability and less substance. And yes, they could've ended Seju and Sumin permanently multiple times, but they didn't.
Team Everyone Happy Here.
I wish the same, but I also wish the ending makes sense. And right now, this is favoring Sumin and Seju.
hlama
Sumin and Sungi's relationship feel very... cautious, for lack of better words, while sumin and Seju is more honest and intimate.
Glad many others have thought this as well.
last edited at Jul 9, 2017 2:44PM
Nora89
reference to ch77.. what mistake is Sumin talking about.. I also thought of ch64 bed talk.. Seju talked about her "dumb mistake".. and in this chapter they both talk about their mistakes subtly..
Now I'm overthinking Sumin's mistakes or times she would want to go back to the most. Ostracizing Seju? Losing the ring? Breaking their promises? There is not a completely obvious one here.
Till the end of time I would say, the ending was planned right from the beginning.. everything is connected.. every panel can be traced to another..
Nice work. :)
mpgpeg
hehe.. at least now you get why I was hesitant when we discussed the "mistakes" matter yesterday..
I expect that next chapter will bring references to ch 52,53,59 (and mayyyyybe 51)
that's if my calculation of the looping incidents is correct.. if so, then the Manhwa will end by 28th of July.
last edited at Jul 11, 2017 5:34AM
but of course, I want Seju to be happy in any endings xDDDD
Yeah that is easy to see lol
The majority of people here are Seju fans, even if they don't say it you can see it in their writing.
Everyone has a bias, even the writer going by this questions
I'm a minority on here i think (Not a fan of Seju) but I'm not sure on the end couple myself anymore. Everyone deserves a chance of happiness even if i don't like them.
last edited at Jul 9, 2017 6:15PM
hehe.. since you are at it.. doesn't feel weird that Sumin's first girl after Seju was the scent shop one, Sumin had the tattoo when she revenge slept with her.. but in ch14, you see Sumin talking about breakups and ex'es while her tattoo is not there.. and it's her dream.. why did Gaji do that!
I had thought about it before. It's make me question "actually, who start the toxic relationship? Seju?Sumin? Or both?", we think it was Sumin but then it seem like we don't know the true story behind.
^ You could say the torturer did.
reference to ch77.. what mistake is Sumin talking about...
Meeting Seju in the first place?
Might it be the best way for them to not to know each other, tho.
last edited at Jul 9, 2017 6:30PM
^ You could say the torturer did.
You mean Mesperyian? 0_o
last edited at Jul 9, 2017 6:35PM
^ You could say the torturer did.
You mean Mesperyian? 0_o
Ha no not Hades daughter but Saeyhun (Is that his name) that gave Sumin the scars.