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Heres%20wakasa
joined Jul 28, 2016

I assumed the joke would be that she’s joking and she actually is Gejiro, but that’s probably wrong. I guess we’ll see soon though.

D05536d6-01d1-4527-9102-4cc772fad5ed
joined Jul 6, 2020

honestly im with gejiro on this its pretty malicious to lie about the pairing in order to get clout lol

Freakinspacians
joined Feb 17, 2018

I've never in my life been interested in pointless shipper drama but man I am glued to this haha

Cs4_cover
joined Jul 13, 2015

Wow, freaking rude from this twintails
Still think worse because she draw hets

joined Mar 24, 2021

Honestly I think I’m on the artist’s side, she returned the commission money meaning it really was that much of an insult to their passion. Covers say a lot that’s the whole point of the past few chapters and if the cover is misleading then it’s the fault of the author.

last edited at Feb 17, 2026 12:20AM

Gr-ctmexmaa3vb3
joined Mar 16, 2022

I think it's time to change the subtext to yuri completely.

__akiyama_mizuki_project_sekai_drawn_by_ririru__aef7569108d461f730828c198e920bc8_1_1_1_1_1
joined Mar 9, 2024

I... don't understand what the author was thinking, honestly. The author is into pair A and the artist is into pair B, if you commission an artist to create your cover, shouldn't you at least told the artist "yes I know you're into pair B but please draw art of pair A for me"? (Though the artist didn't ask, either, so 50/50 responsibility) Or did she received pair B's art for her pair A doujin and realized she didn't told the artist she need art of pair A, but "fuck it, whatever"? Wouldn't that confuse the readers?

For the sake of argument, imagine receiving a doujinshi that has cover of Kyouko and Yui having a good time (wink) but the doujinshi is all about Ayano x Kyouko. Even if I'm not against either of the pairings I'd be shocked.

(Of course, fanning Internet bullying is unacceptable, either way. But also, in most cases I've witnessed it's always the Internet celebrities trying to pacify the angry fans, because being famed for "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war" isn't what many celebrities wanted, either.)

last edited at Feb 18, 2026 6:44PM

joined Apr 3, 2021

Should remember that the writer was originally into literature, and it seems like she is diverting her ambition to write original novels into writing fan fiction. Something like this would barely count as subversion in literature. The audience wouldn’t be upset about it at all. I doubt she did it maliciously. I reckon she just thought it was an interesting plot structure and wasn’t prepared for how tag-obsessed and fixated on “products-as-advertised” the doujin/fanfic community is.

(Personally I think excessive tag-brain is quite bad and leads people to think of stories as mere collections of tropes and the act of writing as arranging those tropes in a novel order. The way some people talk about this stuff in fan spaces bums me out a lot—like books and comics are just delivery mechanisms for the tags they want to read. But that’s neither here nor there.)

(Speaking of tags, it does seem a little strange that this is marked as subtext even though it reads as straightforward romance, at least to me. Is this just not tagged as GL on the raw source?)

last edited at Feb 17, 2026 7:42AM

10466e3de
joined Oct 25, 2014

I... don't understand what the author was thinking, honestly. The author is into pair A and the artist is into pair B, if you commission an artist to create your cover, shouldn't you at least told the artist "yes I know you're into pair B but please draw art of pair A for me"? (Though the artist didn't ask, either, so 50/50 responsibility) Or did she received pair B's art for her pair A doujin and realized she didn't told the artist she need art of pair A, but "fuck it, whatever"? Wouldn't that confuse the readers?

None of the above. The author gave the artist a summary of a key scene for the artist to base the cover on. That scene was about pair B so naturally the artist drew pair B for the cover. What the artist didn't know is that the author was being misleading. That scene was about pair B but the rest of the book was about pair A. It seems the author was trying to do a bait and switch with the pairings but she hid this from the artist. That pissed the artist off when she found out, and it makes sense. The author hid information and was deliberately misleading, and that's just not cool.

last edited at Feb 23, 2026 5:22PM

D05536d6-01d1-4527-9102-4cc772fad5ed
joined Jul 6, 2020

Kaori wants to fuck sooooo bad. This really is just a more erotic version of Still Sick

Book%20and%20cloakhbq1
joined Aug 1, 2011

I think there's an old quote that needs to be updated:

"I know authors who use subtext and they're all cowards or they've confused it with something kinky."

More pertinently, I wasn't expecting them to go into foreign audiences responding to works differently and I wonder if her stuff being more positively received overseas will play a meaningful role in the story. (Also, were those responses to just the art, or were some of them in response to the fanfic?)

Cs4_cover
joined Jul 13, 2015

Yup, is enought be in classy underweare to had reference

__akiyama_mizuki_project_sekai_drawn_by_ririru__aef7569108d461f730828c198e920bc8_1_1_1_1_1
joined Mar 9, 2024

I think there's an old quote that needs to be updated:

"I know authors who use subtext and they're all cowards or they've confused it with something kinky."

More pertinently, I wasn't expecting them to go into foreign audiences responding to works differently and I wonder if her stuff being more positively received overseas will play a meaningful role in the story. (Also, were those responses to just the art, or were some of them in response to the fanfic?)

Well at least the Chinese comment is definitely on the artwork. “真牛逼,国文教材画风” actually translate to "Incredible, it has the drawing style(“画风”) of my classic literature textbook", to be precise. (“牛逼”, which was lost in the translation, is kind of a mildly vulgar slang in Chinese that roughly means "something is out of expectation, either good or bad", i.e. "holy shit")

Also it would feel pretty wrong to comment about the fanfic under the artist's (It's Kaori's account receiving the notification) post, right. Though for some reason all those "comments" are quote report...

last edited at Feb 23, 2026 9:37PM

Cornonthekopp
D05536d6-01d1-4527-9102-4cc772fad5ed
joined Jul 6, 2020

Omg they said the thing. Also if theres not an extra chapter thats 50 pages of these two frotting or whatev I'll riot

Gkne-8gbgaaml7a
joined Oct 7, 2025

Really shoulda did a test print before going through with it (im guessing she did a whole bunch) T_T

I woulda just ended it all right there lowkey

Cs4_cover
joined Jul 13, 2015

I see she is taking too serious the paper size when ther most importat in the tittle drop!

joined Apr 6, 2021

Noriega? Like the dictator?

Untitled264_20240611160607
joined May 22, 2024

Noriega? Like the dictator?

Yeah the dictator is the only result that comes up when I tried searching "Noriega" to understand the title. Not sure how he has anything to do with the chapter 【・_・?】

last edited at Mar 11, 2026 1:13AM

Book%20and%20cloakhbq1
joined Aug 1, 2011

Kaotik-Wasp posted:

Noriega? Like the dictator?

Yeah the dictator is the only result that comes up when I tried searching "Noriega" to understand the title. Not sure how he has anything to do with the chapter 【・_・?】

There's also the character from 00 Gundam, but I don't think that makes much more sense.

__akiyama_mizuki_project_sekai_drawn_by_ririru__aef7569108d461f730828c198e920bc8_1_1_1_1_1
joined Mar 9, 2024

Ah, that 敵に塩を送る story, huh

D05536d6-01d1-4527-9102-4cc772fad5ed
joined Jul 6, 2020

I like the one panel where Orihi Chihiro get's to use 1% of her power

Cs4_cover
joined Jul 13, 2015

Make a doujin togehtee is enought to make them fall for each other

20230811_115727_adobe_express
joined Sep 21, 2019

I've only read up to ch1 so far, but man, I do love how Subtext has become each time less and less sub nowadays.

That or my yuri goggles are slowly rooting themselves even more in my brain than they already were. Probably both.

EDIT: CH4 IS SO PEAK

AND 5 IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PEAK WTF DO U MEAN SUBTEXT GIRL

EDIT:

You and your beautiful butt!

last edited at Mar 26, 2026 12:57PM

D05536d6-01d1-4527-9102-4cc772fad5ed
joined Jul 6, 2020

I've only read up to ch1 so far, but man, I do love how Subtext has become each time less and less sub nowadays.

That or my yuri goggles are slowly rooting themselves even more in my brain than they already were. Probably both.

EDIT: CH4 IS SO PEAK

AND 5 IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PEAK WTF DO U MEAN SUBTEXT GIRL

EDIT:

You and your beautiful butt!

I think it's just a symptom of how the yuri fandom is changing these days. newer fans of yuri seem much more obsessive over deciding whether something is yuri or not based purely on confessions of love or physical intimacy. If the characters don't stare at the cameras and call themselves a lesbian, or if they aren't kissing with tongue in chapter one, some people call it subtext (or worse, bait). There's been a loss of nuance, and this boxing in of yuri to mean "this is an explicitly lesbian romance" and nothing else.

I've found it a bit frustrating that many series, this one included, are obviously well within the bounds of intimacy to call it yuri, but are still labeled subtext anyways.

It's the only way I can understand for how a series by two authors who write yuri erotica irl, who are writing a story about fictional women writing yuri erotica, both chracters whom are obviously queer themselves, would be labeled as subtext rather than just yuri lol.

last edited at Mar 27, 2026 5:15PM

Untitled9_20260318075058
joined Mar 5, 2026

People have been obsessed with identities and labels since forever, it's not just in yuri. In the past there just weren't as many yuri works, and homosexuality was less accepted so fans couldn't be picky and had to scrape from all sources (see "this too is yuri"). Also anime as a whole was more niche in the past, so the fanbase was less casual and could understand nuances better. Nowadays as the yuri genre become more popular, it gets exposed to common types of discourse that plague mainstream media, and more fans mean more people to complain or judge.

last edited at Mar 28, 2026 2:47AM

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