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It's quite funny how in this manga, some people are very passionate about making some of its characters look like terrible people (to the point of saying they should have a painful death), while the author clearly didn't wrote any of those characters as inherently bad. But in "My girlfriend is not here today", people are defending with passion characters that have been written to be terrible people.
I know those two manga have very little in common, but it just makes me chuckle to think about that paradox.
LOL
Erika literally doesn't need me to make her look like terrible people. It's not like her selfish love for Koto can really last that long. She fucking knows what she had done seven years ago, which also traumatized her to the point she's also stuck in the past. One of the reasons Erika never can confess not just she's a coward, she feels guilt of what she did towards Aya when she knew those two started dating.
You think the people in "My girlfriend is not here today" are suck? Well, what Erika had done in the past literally ruined her two best friend (lol) life, especially Koto. The cutest girl in the world who always had everything written on her face had been killed all thanks to fucking Erika.
Erika literally doesn't need me to make her look like terrible people. It's not like her selfish love for Koto can really last that long. She fucking knows what she had done seven years ago, which also traumatized her to the point she's also stuck in the past.
Citing specific evidence from the text rather than speculation or headcanon, please explain exactly what Erika did seven years ago.
Citing specific evidence from the text rather than speculation or headcanon, please explain exactly what Erika did seven years ago.
No need to explain it to you.
@Aikosaurus knows what I'm talking about lol.
Citing specific evidence from the text rather than speculation or headcanon, please explain exactly what Erika did seven years ago.
No need to explain it to you.
@Aikosaurus knows what I'm talking about lol.
In other words, you have no answer. Or at least not one that depends upon actual evidence.
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Citing specific evidence from the text rather than speculation or headcanon, please explain exactly what Erika did seven years ago.
No need to explain it to you.
@Aikosaurus knows what I'm talking about lol.
No I don't... That's exactly what I was saying about how some people are choosing to interpret characters in this manga.
There is nothing indicating that Erika did something bad. We know that we had a talk with Aya, and she seems to have some remorse about it (but it could be for a lot of reasons), but that's is. All the things you are saying about her is just fabulation based on very little evidence. If you chose to interpret that way, that's your choice, but don't force your interpretation on other people saying this is based on facts.
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The way some people talk in here you'd think we had a scene of Erika slapping a label on Aya's forehead that says "To Antarctica" and then shoving her in a mailbox.
No I don't... That's exactly what I was saying about how some people are choosing to interpret characters in this manga.
There is nothing indicating that Erika did something bad. We know that we had a talk with Aya, and she seems to have some remorse about it (but it could be for a lot of reasons), but that's is. All the things you are saying about her is just fabulation based on very little evidence. If you chose to interpret that way, that's your choice, but don't force your interpretation on other people saying this is based on facts.
You have read chapter 17, right? That flashback Erika had already explain everything she did.
"I felt really ashamed of my own immaturity."
"自分の幼稚さをとても恥じていた"
"Do l have that right?"
"そんな権利(琴に告白)あたしにある?"
(Chapter 8)
"あたしは…誰の親友でもないわよ"
"告白する資格が自分にあるのかわからない"
She definitely went lash out at Aya that day, and it must be one side fight considering Aya's character.
Ofc if you want to ignore so many hints in the story, it's not like l can force you.
Erika has literally done nothing wrong on page in the manga, despite lots of mental self-flagellation.
She might have had some inappropriate confrontation with Aya back at age 14, which in no way would make her a Bad Person nor make her rationally blameable for "ruining two people's lives".
Someone really needs to calm down. How could you enjoy the manga when you have so much hate on one of the protagonist (the story is about a triangle, after all). Erika is very complexed character who has her desire conflicted with her own moral standard. But she's definitely not a bad person. This whole spirit away nonsense is the last thing Erika can predict.
And I can somehow be sure now Aya's disappearance is completely due to her own wish. To her, Erika is a very important friend. Despite not loving her in romantic way, she is always nearly equal to Koto. If anyone has read the extra chapter (total 12 pages) included in volume.1 physical release, you would easily understand Aya cherishes both of them pretty much.
There's no way she could be with Koto if it means she has to lose Erika. So it must be her wish like "l hope there's a solution of this" (after the talk she had with Erika). It also can explain why she only comes back while Erika sincerely wants it to happen.
Someone really needs to calm down. How could you enjoy the manga when you have so much hate on one of the protagonist (the story is about a triangle, after all). Erika is very complexed character who has her desire conflicted with her own moral standard. But she's definitely not a bad person. This whole spirit away nonsense is the last thing Erika can predict.
And I can somehow be sure now Aya's disappearance is completely due to her own wish. To her, Erika is a very important friend. Despite not loving her in romantic way, she is always nearly equal to Koto. If anyone has read the extra chapter (total 12 pages) included in volume.1 physical release, you would easily understand Aya cherishes both of them pretty much.
There's no way she could be with Koto if it means she has to lose Erika. So it must be her wish like "l hope there's a solution of this" (after the talk she had with Erika). It also can explain why she only comes back while Erika sincerely wants it to happen.
That would make a lot of sense, and be a satisfying way to develop the plot. I've personally been thinking Aya's disappearance was either consensual or an unintended reflection of her desires for quite a while, and if that last conversation was her learning about Erika's feelings it would make so much sense. I can even imagine it being the both of them attempting to quit Koto for the other lol, and sadly magic got in the way of the natural course of that sort of time normally (the formation of a polycule).
I put a 0% chance on any reveal that would make any of our characters out to be a villain lol.
The way some people talk in here you'd think we had a scene of Erika slapping a label on Aya's forehead that says "To Antarctica" and then shoving her in a mailbox.
Nope. You need to pay USPS fees in order to do that.
... Or on second thought, maybe Aya is back now since the cargo is rejected and sent back? /j
Someone really needs to calm down. How could you enjoy the manga when you have so much hate on one of the protagonist (the story is about a triangle, after all). Erika is very complexed character who has her desire conflicted with her own moral standard. But she's definitely not a bad person. This whole spirit away nonsense is the last thing Erika can predict.
And I can somehow be sure now Aya's disappearance is completely due to her own wish. To her, Erika is a very important friend. Despite not loving her in romantic way, she is always nearly equal to Koto. If anyone has read the extra chapter (total 12 pages) included in volume.1 physical release, you would easily understand Aya cherishes both of them pretty much.
There's no way she could be with Koto if it means she has to lose Erika. So it must be her wish like "l hope there's a solution of this" (after the talk she had with Erika). It also can explain why she only comes back while Erika sincerely wants it to happen.
Even if that's the case, Erika is still the main cause leading Aya's disappearance. Koto and Aya love each other. Koto never loves Erika. She is so selfish for not being able to give her approving to the couple. Not to metion her blaming Aya for the heartbreak is ridiculous. Erika literally did nothing when Koto was chasing after Aya. Then my girl Koto, who had done everything she could do to pursue her love has to be suffering because of the immaturity of Erika. It's all fucking Erika's fault.
It's all fucking Erika's fault.
This argument shows no understanding of the concept of “cause and effect” as understood on planet Earth, where thoughts only have consequences when they are turned into actions.
Erika’s personal attitudes and internal emotions have had no demonstrable effect on what happened to Aya seven years ago or on the relationship dynamic between Aya and Koto either back then or after Aya’s return. Erika’s actual actions have mainly served to support Aya (giving her a place to stay when Koto wouldn’t even talk to her and after Aya found Koto’s desires too confining, as well as giving her reasonable personal advice.)
We don’t know how the supernatural element in this story works or who caused it, so it’s theoretically possible that Aya’s disappearance will somehow turn out to be Erika’s “fault,” but anyone who claims that it is for sure at this point is simply irrationally ranting.
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We don’t know how the supernatural element in this story works or who caused it, so it’s theoretically possible that Aya’s disappearance will somehow turn out to be Erika’s “fault,” but anyone who claims that it is for sure at this point is simply irrationally ranting.
But even it was due to Erika's wish, it's not like it makes her a bad person. Most people have at one point of their life wish for someone to disappear, die or another other thoughts like that. It's quite normal, especially as a teenager. It doesn't mean people truly wish for those things to happen, but having those thoughts is quite normal, as long as it's not an obsession. And if Erika did wish for Aya's disappearance, I think we all can agree that it was probably on the spur of the moment and not something she did obsesse over. It's not like suw thought it would really happen either... She was a rival, both in life and in love, wishing for her to vanish was honestly quite normal...
I actually really like that side of Erika, because she is portraited as a realistic human. She can see her inner thoughts, so of course we know all about her dilemma and trouble. When she suggested to Aya to reevaluate her relationship with Koto, it was honestly a good advice. The reason she felt bad was because the reason she gave that advice was probably for her own selfish reason, but this is totally understandable. The fact that she is feeling bad/is conflicted about it shows that she is not a bad person. We have to keep in mind that this is not something normal. In real live, if we were to see that person do those actions, we would only see a supportive friend doing what's best for them.
The type of inner thoughts Erika has makes her the most "advanced" character in terms of personal development, because she is aware of her own flaws and feels bad about it. This is the first step towards overcoming oneself and becoming a better person. She still have to resolve her feelings towards Koto though...
You'd almost believe Erika is the MC.
You'd almost believe Erika is the MC.
She is thought, among Aya and Koto. The whole story is about resolving their triangle situation.
And while she is not my favorite character, I think she is the most interesting one. Koto is easy to read, she needs to get past her trauma. I definitely wants to see her evolve past that but at the present time, she is too consumed by it. Aya appears to be too perfect on the surface (not saying she is), which makes the whole trio a bit unbalanced, as it looks like she is the only one not affected by her disappearance. She just live her life, dealing with the issues she's having, but she doesn't seem trouble by it, or very little. Erika on the other hand is the most conflicted character of the trio and seems to be the more self aware of the three. And she is hiding something, which has yet to be revealed.
Erika definitely imo has the more interesting internal life of the three because her desires are in such sharp and irreconcilable odds with each other. She wants to be a good person, she wants to do right by her friends and take care of them and help them be happy, and she wants to love Koto. The conflicts between these different aspects of her, the circumstances that put those desires at odds with each other, and how she handles it makes her a wonderfully textured character. Koto in comparison, her conflict isn't between multiple contrasting desires but her single desire (Aya) and her fear (losing Aya). And Aya so far we've only had brief glimpses into past her surface level of being a plucky survivor doing her best.
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Erika on the other hand is the most conflicted character of the trio and seems to be the more self aware of the three. And she is hiding something, which has yet to be revealed.
Which is one reason I find these “Erika is being so evil” takes so entirely unfounded—only the readers know about her desires, motivations, and conflicted feelings, so everything she does gets interpreted through that screen, even when, or maybe especially when, her actions themselves are quite benign. It will be very interesting to see how the other two react (I’m assuming “when” rather than “if”) they learn that they’ve been in a love triangle all along.
And of course my previous main point was that the implied “Erika is a malicious witch who has intentionally ruined the lives of the other two by means of her supernatural spiriting-away powers” reading is (at least at this point, and probably forever) 99.9% reader fabulation.
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The problem is some readers obviously couldn't understand Koto wouldn't be suffering (Aya wouldn't disappear) if Erika wasn't being that selfish or could just move the fuck on seven years ago.
God. Do you guys even remember the story behind Japan's Tanabata festival? About two star-crossed lovers, Orihime (こと座 the Vega star) and Hikoboshi (わし座 the Altair star). The third one (はくちょう座 the Deneb star), which can be connected to the other two stars to form the Summer Triangle, the start either help them to be together or tear them apart. I think there's already a hint in their name about which star they present.
The problem is some readers obviously couldn't understand Koto wouldn't be suffering (Aya wouldn't disappear) if Erika wasn't being that selfish or could just move the fuck on seven years ago.
This is just hypothetical nonsense. You, like every other reader, have no idea exactly how and why Aya disappeared. There is a supernatural element to this story that hasn’t been explained or even fully revealed yet.
God. Do you guys even remember the story behind Japan's Tanabata festival? About two star-crossed lovers, Orihime (こと座 the Vega star) and Hikoboshi (わし座 the Altair star). The third one (はくちょう座 the Deneb star), which can be connected to the other two stars to form the Summer Triangle, the start either help them to be together or tear them apart. I think there's already a hint in their name about which star they present.
Thanks for the useless lecture about the same familiar myth that gets referenced in nearly every Japanese manga/anime about doomed love/love triangles. It does absolutely nothing to make your assertions about the story that actually exists any less flimsy than they already are.
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