I hope you're not saying Shou's lolicon girls aren't supposed to be real child. I f you are then you're burying your head in the sand (first time trying this expression =D).

So you're saying that Shou not only do tracing, but make lolicon based on real child? and nope they're not real, deal with it.

I'm not saying they are based on reals kids that he saw on the street (x)) I'm saying they ARE childs. They are not some fantastical creature who look younger that they are. The aim of these manga is for them to be young. It is pedo porn.

Sorry if If I didn't make myself clear

this logic is retarded, "you like the way loli's look therefore you MUST want to fuck little girls"

also this "They are not some fantastical creature who look younger that they are." you know loli's can fit into that category right?

Hell i tend to avoid little kids at all costs, they are annoying little shits.

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I hate when people push their moral on others, it's not like their moral or opinions is part of a religion, because we all know that it's religious people that like to push their moral on others, and although I agree that from a certain perspective it is basically child porn, we should never forget that in the end it's not the same thing, as it's only lines on paper, not real children.

Well, if it was real child porn with real children, I wouldn't attempt to defend you guys. It still sexualizes little children and obviously people are going to be uncomfortable with that.

It don't need to be lolicon, people will always find something that makes them uncomfortable, but I understand they side, that kind of thing is not for everyone, and you can't even try to defend real child porn, there is a universe of difference between lolicon and real child porn, there is no argument that could be used to justify or excuse if it's real.

And lolicon aside, isn't child pretty much sexualized by a lot of things nowadays? japan is the most obvius of course, but a lot of the world do things that sexualizes childs today, and that's horrible.

You guys hopefully know that the word lolicon just exists to soften the blow that the word pedophilia holds but that discussion would just highlight more deeprooted problems and go absolutly nowwhere

Nothing can soft pedophilia, it involves real children, and sure pedophilia is a serious problem, but don't come saying that loli porn creates more pedophiles, okay lolicon is about drawings of children, but they will never be the same.

You guys hopefully know that the word lolicon just exists to soften the blow that the word pedophilia holds but that discussion would just highlight more deeprooted problems and go absolutly nowwhere

If I'd think like that, all the rape doujins would literally kill me inside. I have to seperate beween fiction and reality or I'd probably come to hate Japanese people.
I generally agree, though. I'm not saying all lolicons are sick or something but assuming that lolicons won't ever fall into pedophilia is questionable.

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I hope you're not saying Shou's lolicon girls aren't supposed to be real child. I f you are then you're burying your head in the sand (first time trying this expression =D).

So you're saying that Shou not only do tracing, but make lolicon based on real child? and nope they're not real, deal with it.

I'm not saying they are based on reals kids that he saw on the street (x)) I'm saying they ARE childs. They are not some fantastical creature who look younger that they are. The aim of these manga is for them to be young. It is pedo porn.

Sorry if If I didn't make myself clear

this logic is retarded, "you like the way loli's look therefore you MUST want to fuck little girls"

also this "They are not some fantastical creature who look younger that they are." you know loli's can fit into that category right?

Hell i tend to avoid little kids at all costs, they are annoying little shits.

You didn't read what I said from the begining. Here I was talking about Shou's lolicon. And I never said If you read these you will and want to fuck child in real life. Don't make me say things I never said.

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this logic is retarded, "you like the way loli's look therefore you MUST want to fuck little girls"

A lot of people do that, you like X them you must also do X.

also this "They are not some fantastical creature who look younger that they are." you know loli's can fit into that category right?

Don't they fit that most of the time? they don't look like real little girls or act like them most of the time, their proportions and face are not realistic

Hell i tend to avoid little kids at all costs, they are annoying little shits.

Me too, most children are extremely annoying.

You guys hopefully know that the word lolicon just exists to soften the blow that the word pedophilia holds but that discussion would just highlight more deeprooted problems and go absolutly nowwhere

If I'd think like that, all the rape doujins would literally kill me inside. I have to seperate beween fiction and reality or I'd probably come to hate Japanese people.

After all rape, mind break, mind control, guro, ntr and other genres that can be put with them that I read, I would have already given up on humanity and killed myself in despair if i thought they where real.

I generally agree, though. Probably not for all lolicons, but assuming that most lolicons won't ever cross the line is definitely questionable.

Definitely, if a loli offered herself to me and I would not be caught because she would not tell anyone, my brain would freeze and I would not know what to do, I prefer to not even think of that possibility, as I would possibly make a choice that should not be made.

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Definitely, if a loli offered herself to me and I would not be caught because she would not tell anyone, my brain would freeze and I would not know what to do, I prefer to not even think of that possibility, as I would possibly make a choice that should not be made.

and as i said before thats when it gets creepy, i like the way loli's are drawn, i like loli porn and i like non loli porn, say i was transported into a hentai world would i do a loli though? noooopee, granted it would be a hentai world so i would be having sex with SOMETHING by the end of it but see what you just said borders dangerously close to pedo

Well, this escalated quickly. Mostly I was just trying to get at what Yuppers said, though they clearly thought I was commenting on Shou's loli work negatively. I just think his characterisation of his lolis is creepy, that's not a reflection on my opinion of Shou. (That would be more influenced by the tracing scandal than anything.) It's no different to saying I think Murcielago is gratuitously violent. Just because I may say that doesn't mean I think Yoshimura Kana is a repressed spree killer or anything. (I do think it's gratuitously violent, but so's Quentin Tarantino, and it doesn't necessarily bother me.)

Definitely, if a loli offered herself to me and I would not be caught because she would not tell anyone, my brain would freeze and I would not know what to do, I prefer to not even think of that possibility, as I would possibly make a choice that should not be made.

and as i said before thats when it gets creepy, i like the way loli's are drawn, i like loli porn and i like non loli porn, say i was transported into a hentai world would i do a loli though? noooopee, granted it would be a hentai world so i would be having sex with SOMETHING by the end of it but see what you just said borders dangerously close to pedo

And you think I don't know that? I'm not the kind of person that could be classified as "good", the only reason I'm don't do a lot of shit is because I don't have the courage to do and I know I would go to jail or be beaten by someone as I'm small and weak, and I'm talking about any shit, not about touching little girls.

But even if I'm a shitty person, I don't think I would touch a little girl, sure the possibility of doing without any consequence would be really tempting, but even if you're a horrible person, there are things that should not be made, like rape or pedo, murder and torture is okay.

And if I was transported to hentai world, from 6 to 50 I would do any of them... but knowing my luck I would end up in the yaoi part of the hentai world.

Nothing can soft pedophilia, it involves real children, and sure pedophilia is a serious problem, but don't come saying that loli porn creates more pedophiles, okay lolicon is about drawings of children, but they will never be the same.

We got a little hotheaded didn't we?

Riddle me this: would you, in this day and age, type in the words ''pedophilia'', to tag-search anything unless you can show someone a well written tasteful article about the subject matter (or something that demonizes them, because I was referencing actually exactly that) that doesn't put you in a difficult spot that you have to justify yourself?

Lolis are substitute to children, there is no way to say this nicely, even if she is supossed to be a 1000 year old witch from the future or something, if you deconstruct ALL lolicon doujinshis it would be called pedophilia in their world.

Oh, and no I am not judging any of you, please never ever believe this.

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But even if I'm a shitty person, I don't think I would touch a little girl, sure the possibility of doing without any consequence would be really tempting, but even if you're a horrible person, there are things that should not be made, like rape or pedo, murder and torture is okay.

All right, is that because of your english/syntax/me missunderstanding something or are you saying murder and torture are okay?

Anyways, yes there are things that shouldn't be done and you not doing them - for whatever reason - is all nice and well but you need to realize that not every person thinks like that. The are serial rapists and murderers in jail and on the streets, so a person that happens to like lolicon and decides to try for himself is not all that implausible.

As Maus said better than I was able to: drawn or not, they are substitutes for children.

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tfw you apparently inadvertently made someone reveal they're a paedophile on dynasty

sigh i dont know why i even bother, maus i am not using loli's as a substitute for real children, i dont use big boobed anime women as a substitute for big boobed real women either, if you want to assume i am some sort of sick freak that gets off on actual little girls then go ahead, i dont come here enough anymore to care.

Nothing can soft pedophilia, it involves real children, and sure pedophilia is a serious problem, but don't come saying that loli porn creates more pedophiles, okay lolicon is about drawings of children, but they will never be the same.

We got a little hotheaded didn't we?

I sounded hotheaded? because I wasn't and I didn't meant to be seen like that.

Riddle me this: would you, in this day and age, type in the words ''pedophilia'', to tag-search anything unless you can show someone a well written tasteful article about the subject matter (or something that demonizes them, because I was referencing actually exactly that) that doesn't put you in a difficult spot that you have to justify yourself?

Not really, I don't really have much interest in child, I find most of them ugly and annoyng.

Lolis are substitute to children, there is no way to say this nicely, even if she is supossed to be a 1000 year old witch from the future or something, if you deconstruct ALL lolicon doujinshis it would be called pedophilia in their world.

Sure they are substitute to children, and although it could be called pedophilia because she looks like a child, if she is 1000 year old and have the mind of an adult them she is not a child, but if she has the mentality of a child, them that is pedophilia, no discussion about that.

Oh, and no I am not judging any of you, please never ever believe this.

It's okay, I don't mind being judged.

sigh i dont know why i even bother, maus i am not using loli's as a substitute for real children, i dont use big boobed anime women as a substitute for big boobed real women either, if you want to assume i am some sort of sick freak that gets off on actual little girls then go ahead, i dont come here enough anymore to care.

Nobody is directing that directly at you.

But even if I'm a shitty person, I don't think I would touch a little girl, sure the possibility of doing without any consequence would be really tempting, but even if you're a horrible person, there are things that should not be made, like rape or pedo, murder and torture is okay.

All right, is that because of your english/syntax/me missunderstanding something or are you saying murder and torture are okay?

I didn't say that those things are okay, but if I unleashed my potential as the horrible person that I am, I would not mind murder or torture someone, but that kind of thing is not okay, but if necessary I would do them.

Anyways, yes there are things that shouldn't be done and you not doing them - for whatever reason - is all nice and well but you need to realize that not every person thinks like that. The are serial rapists and murderers in jail and on the streets, so a person that happens to like lolicon and decides to try for himself is not all that implausible.

Yeah unfortunately there is people out there that don't have any limits, if I could I would torture and kill all of them, I could be evil but I would have standards, of course there is people that like lolicon and decide to try, but I believe that most of them are pedophile already but didn't realize before, at least I want to believe that, because if you say that because someone read lolicon and one of them decides to try it for real only because they like lolicon, it's the same to say that someone that only play violent video games may try to kill someone.

As Maus said better than I was able to: drawn or not, they are substitutes for children.

Somehow I'm not able to see most of the loli as substitute, most of them don't look like children, and most child I see in my life is really ugly or not attractive in any way.

sigh i dont know why i even bother, maus i am not using loli's as a substitute for real children, i dont use big boobed anime women as a substitute for big boobed real women either, if you want to assume i am some sort of sick freak that gets off on actual little girls then go ahead, i dont come here enough anymore to care.

Nobody is directing that directly at you.

If I used all hentai as substitute for things I'm can't do, does that mean I wanted to be a trap and be fucked by a lot of man? i don't think I would like to be used like that by a bunch of horny and perverted man, probably...

tfw you apparently inadvertently made someone reveal they're a paedophile on dynasty

And I'm not a pedo, I never touched a little girl, never will touch, it's all about self-control, so even if a cute and perfect little girl offered herself to me I won't do anything, probably...

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tfw you apparently inadvertently made someone reveal they're a paedophile on dynasty

And I'm not a pedo, I never touched a little girl, never will touch, it's all about self-control, so even if a cute and perfect little girl offered herself to me I won't do anything, probably...

the fact that you have the desire to want to touch a little girl at all kinda proves you are.

Apparently if I enjoy killing innocent civilians in video games (something that requires my direct interaction) I have murderous tendencies.

At some point I quit reading the debate. Look, a little bit of off-topic chatter is fine, but this is getting ridiculous - almost a full page of "Yes it is!" "No it's not!"

If you want to continue the lolicon discussion take it to the artist thread, or make a new thread for it.

tfw you apparently inadvertently made someone reveal they're a paedophile on dynasty

And I'm not a pedo, I never touched a little girl, never will touch, it's all about self-control, so even if a cute and perfect little girl offered herself to me I won't do anything, probably...

the fact that you have the desire to want to touch a little girl at all kinda proves you are.

You know that I could be joking right? but maybe not, maybe I want to touch little girls in non sexual ways, you can't believe everything they say on the internet, but of course people use that to say truths that they would normally not say to anyone, so if I'm pedo or not, I let you all decide that, maybe we could start a poll and let the people on Dynasty decide that.

Apparently if I enjoy killing innocent civilians in video games (something that requires my direct interaction) I have murderous tendencies.

You enjoying killing civilians in video games? YOU MONSTER!!!

At some point I quit reading the debate. Look, a little bit of off-topic chatter is fine, but this is getting ridiculous - almost a full page of "Yes it is!" "No it's not!"

If you want to continue the lolicon discussion take it to the artist thread, or make a new thread for it.

Sorry about that, I will stop now them, unless someone wants to continue this in other thread.

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At some point I quit reading the debate. Look, a little bit of off-topic chatter is fine, but this is getting ridiculous - almost a full page of "Yes it is!" "No it's not!"

If you want to continue the lolicon discussion take it to the artist thread, or make a new thread for it.

Or, even better, go to another website or another state of being.

I can't help but find funny when people discuss about lolicon, like Rosenakahara said most of them don't even have realist proportions, they're not real child, but someone always make a big deal of it, lf it was something "worse" like guro i would understand, but lolicon? Somethings I feel that they just don't want to admit they also like lolis.

How is guro worse than lolicon? Just because one appeals more to you than the other? Both are completely fictional and so long as they stay that way there's no actual problem with either.

Oh no, don't mind us, just keep going there with the off topic discussion.

That is to say, talk about stretch or elevate yourself to nirvana.

Okay, this is gonna be one of those conversations.

Ima delete any messages for the next day or so (following this one) that keep this bit of ridiculousness rolling. Last word's already been said, sorry.