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I mean... one is a is scientific classification, the other is just a descriptive term. They are inherently linked. As long as the classification applies, so does the descriptor. I don't know any language where the scientific use of these terms differs.
Their inherent link is that you're expected to be the latter by being born as the former.
Not at all. The inherent link is that if you are scientifically classified as female you are a woman. These two terms are inseperable whether you are cis or trans. Sex and gender can be seperated, the terms female and woman cannot.
This discussion went completely off-topic a while ago and I don't think we're talking to each other anymore, so it's past time I leave. You educated yourself on ancient greek ship building, so you can educate yourself on gender if you want to as well.
If something cannot be objectively defined at all in any kind of consensus, then it is simply not scientifically defined yet
Nothing can be objectively defined because words are inherently subjective.
In certain circles this kind of argumentation would be derided as sophistry, but I don't want to assume negative intentions.
To be honest I would rather avoid getting into a discussion about objectivity. Yes, objectivity does not strictly exist as everything is merely perception. Can we simply accept that a common consensus is what we define as "objective" and leave this dead-end topic behind? I went out of my way to phrase it that particularly for a reason.
I would be really grateful.
This discussion went completely off-topic a while ago and I don't think we're talking to each other anymore, so it's past time I leave. You educated yourself on ancient greek ship building, so you can educate yourself on gender if you want to as well.
I suppose we really did stray quite far, didn't we? Sorry about that.
That last line however is unecessarily thorny. I have educated myself on the topic plenty.
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Okay, so if that is your stance, do you not get to use the definition of lesbian unless you are a lesbian? Do you not get to use the definition of Caucasian unless you are caucasian?
I am a scientific minded person. I do not believe that people have ownership of definitions. If something cannot be objectively defined at all in any kind of consensus, then it is simply not scientifically defined yet, in which case I also don't have to accept any subjective definition, unless out of respect for the person's logic. I was told several times that the definition for transsexuality has been decided on by now though.
My point is, transness is inherently subjective exactly because it's about gender, one of the most subjective and personal concepts there is. As such the only people who have any kind of expertise or authority over its definition are those who actually live it. I don't give a shit what some dusty college prof decided the definition of transness is, it's completely irrelevant to the lived reality of actual trans people.
Related, stop calling ppl "transsexuals", some might be fine with it but most ppl nowadays dislike it and consider it outdated. Just trans (people) is fine.
This is not actually different from what I said. Unless you believe there are dozens of genders and the like, but that is not related to classical transsexuality. Transsexuality is directly linked between gender and sex. The contradiction of the two is the point. If my sex is female and some doctor accidentally checked the male mark on my certificate, I would not be considered trans just because I was misassigned. There has to be a relation between sex and gender for the term to have any useful application.
Nobody likes gatekeepers, if someone tries to tell a trans person they're not actually trans bc of xy they're full of shit. The contradiction between gender and sex/body aka what most ppl would call body dysphoria is not a requirement for being trans. You can be perfectly fine with the way your body looks, even if it isn't what society would usually define as connected to your gender.
We have a name for people who insist on dysphoria as the requirement for transness (or other bioessentialist crap like that), it's "truescum" and they can fuck right off~
Hermaphrodites, or rather futanari in the case of this discussion, have nothing inherently to do with transsexuality. Neither do intersex people. It is an entirely physical classification. True hermaphroditism is simply not recorded in human biological history, so intersex is the only realistic application of course.
Hermaphrodite is not a porn term, though. The term has existed since ancient Greece and the scientific use has also nothing to do with porn. Hermaphroditism in animals has been classified for a long time and is still used today.
I'm not saying the term itself is obsolete, i'm saying that using it to describe human beings is disrespectful, especially to the people it used to be commonly used for, i.e. intersex people.
This is also the last i'll say about this, I already spent more spoons on this than I intended to.
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My point is, transness is inherently subjective exactly because it's about gender, one of the most subjective and personal concepts there is. As such the only people who have any kind of expertise or authority over its definition are those who actually live it. I don't give a shit what some dusty college prof decided the definition of transness is, it's completely irrelevant to the lived reality of actual trans people.
Related, stop calling ppl "transsexuals", some might be fine with it but most ppl nowadays dislike it and consider it outdates. Just trans (people) is fine.
I see, so you simply do not believe that a consensus can even exist (yet). It is true that gender is a complex topic that is in constant flux. If every trans person has a different definition, it becomes rather meaningless to use labels at all until a commonality can be properly established.
Trans person is a very awkward way to phrase it, though I do occasionally use it myself.
Nobody likes gatekeepers, if someone tries to tell a trans person they're not actually trans bc of xy they're full of shit. The contradiction between gender and sex/body aka what most ppl would call body dysphoria is not a requirement for being trans. You can be perfectly fine with the way your body looks, even if it isn't what society would usually define as connected to your gender.
We have a name for people who insist on dysphoria as the requirement for transness (or other bioessentialist crap like that), it's "truescum" and they can fuck right off~
Gatekeeping, eh? That is not something I expected to hear in this context haha.
I see you are rather easily incited, so I will try to keep my phrasing more neutral from now on.
I indeed considered gender dysphoria a natural part of transsexuality (is this term acceptable?). It is at least what the entire concept was build on at first. The constant rapid changes in ideas surrounding this topic are hard to keep up with, admittedly.
I'm not saying the term itself is obsolete, i'm saying that using it to describe human beings is disrespectful, especially to the people it used to be commonly used for, i.e. intersex people.
I see. Well, the topic of the thread is about the most miraculous case of true hermaphroditism, futanari, something that cannot rightly be real, so I thought it was fine to use it that way. The application of hermaphrodites for real people in this conversaiton was strictly hypothetical. I suppose when I talked about how the rare cases of real "hermaphrodites" can choose their official sex, I should have said intersex people instead. Noted.
Gatekeeping, eh? That is not something I expected to hear in this context haha.
I see you are rather easily incited, so I will try to keep my phrasing more neutral from now on.
I indeed considered gender dysphoria a natural part of transsexuality (is this term acceptable?). It is at least what the entire concept was build on at first. The constant rapid changes in ideas surrounding this topic are hard to keep up with, admittedly.
Some people identify with the term Transsexuality but like its adjective form it's largely fallen out of favor. It's a term coined my clinicians and those tend to be disliked by the ppl who live it bc they're imposed upon us rather than self-chosen. Not to mention the problems with it implying a relation to sexuality like homosexual does.
Transness or transidentity are more commonly used as umbrella terms nowadays.
Also I'm not "easily incited", I just have little patience for cis people who think they know more about transness than the trans people who live it. Especially when they try to lecture said trans people after being corrected as if any amount of "research" could ever outweigh actual lived experience.
Transness or transidentity are more commonly used as umbrella terms nowadays.
No trans person I ever talked to refered to it as "transness" yet, so I was not aware. But I'll keep it in mind.
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Holy fuck, Licentious Lantern. My first impression of you was way more positive than what you just displayed. There's just so much wrong in what you said, everything you wrote oozes arrogance and amount of unwillingness to listen is just staggering, that I honestly don't even want to reply to you and I honestly don't really feel like responding to everything, so I'll just focus on few most crucial parts.
First of all, you said you don't use subjective definitions and are willing to use one commonly accepted if you'll be provided with one. Well, actual trans person gave you it, which is "person who doesn't identify with their assigned gender at birth" as opposite cis which is "person who identify with their assigned gender at birth", which then you proceed to insultingly call subjective and irrelevant. Then when the same trans person told you that nowadays all you really need to be consider trans is just identifying as trans (how far you want to transition and what being trans entails is entirely up to you) you again condescendingly tell them they're wrong and you know what you're talking about better than them. And lastly trans person and trans people is a very common, pretty much officially accepted way at this point to refer to people identifying as transgender, so I really have no idea which rock you lived under to not know it and try to use outdated terms, despite supposedly doing enough "research" on the topic.
Seriously, you have no idea how much you fucked up. People get permabanned for just 1 post of what you now wrote few walls of text. Dynasty doesn't tolerate transphobes and whatever intentionally or not, you ended up writing some very transphobic sounding stuff, so you should pray you'll only get away with slap on the wrist.
Sorry if I came off as arrogant. I was trying to be objective. My language may come off as stiff or overly certain due to that, I even tried to keep it a bit more jovial to counter-balance that.
But at every turn I conceded to my conversation partners, did I not? I compared the claims on the other side to what I know and and what I have learned. There was no malicious intent and no wish to lecture anyone, so much as to contextualize them. I have talked to several trans people before on the same topics. The presence of gender dysphoria was never even in question with them and the definitions and explanations I read also always tend to go in that direction.
I called something subjective because it doesn't follow the definitions I was given and because the person themselves said that this is a matter that is not agreed upon by everyone. I never called it irrelevant. Subjective feelings are not irrelevant. A consensus is just that... a compromise. It cannot fully represent everyone accurately sadly.
I said I use trans person myself at times, because I am aware it is used (the one I never heard used is transness). I just said that I find it awkward as an expression... is that an issue? Do you not find your reaction unduly aggressive here as well?
If this is considered transphobic I am rather... sad. Discourse about topics being seen in such a binary fashion is always harsh. Compared to most people I am sure that I am one of the more open minded. I have in no way anything against trans people. I support them where I can. I do not use slurs, I do not tell them they are wrong about how they feel. I don't oppose or suppress, I do not show disgust. Of course I am not perfect, I already conceded on several points and said I would keep them in mind. If the mods consider me transphobic for my comments then I want people to really consider what the word means and whether you really facilitate acceptance and understanding this way. It is very hard to find common ground if we are not allowed to discuss misconceptions.
At worst I am misinformed, not malicious. And to err is to be human.
I am sorry for letting this conversation go so far off-topic.
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Wellllllllllllll.............. leaving that debate aside.
Guess what? I found a "non pornographic futanari work!" in fact, I knew it from a very long time but it hasn't been updated...until recently (sadly only in spanish), it is however very ecchi, but far from Futanari no Elf.
Sakura Nadeshiko https://mangadex.org/title/af2f1d6b-0173-4fea-9871-acbccdb61d9e/sakura-nadeshiko only 2 chapters were translated into English...
It's about your typical idol focused school, with several pairs and pretty much yuri most of the times, but there appears to be some kind of curse that makes one of the protagonist (and perhaps other girls) sprout a "mushroom or bamboo shaped sensitive thing between their legs that makes them very horny" they don't even say the word or show it, it's like an age 15+ ecchi.
The magical mushroom seems to appear or disappear from time to time or during stress... and well, they have to keep their idol activities, the rest you can find by yourself if you understand spanish, but yeah after 9 chapters, is still "safe" no sex but with lots of butts, the protagonist seems to have something against wearing panties most of the times.
Ah, almost completely forgot about that one. Didn't even know anyone had translated the second chapter...
Rapey but darn that art
Rapey but darn that art
Top tier, GODDAMN. Thank you.
Rapey but darn that art
Top tier, GODDAMN. Thank you.
I know right? The whole "gonna stop but gf unknowling does sth so arousing there's no way you can stop" thing is one of my weirdly specific fav trope. It happens like 4 times in that doujin xDD
Also "I love you to bits" is a cute line, regardless of what comes after.
Girl un panzer
Also check the artist's page, it's a gold mine. BUT remember to read the tag!!
Original devil(?) x human. Kinda creepy but it hits smh. Artist also made another original story but it's untranslated, super rapey and turn the lolicon up to 11, so i wont be posting link here.
Original, untranslated, both futa, cute.
Demon slayer dj, untranslated (Some1 did explsin the plot in cmt section tho.)
Original, cupids need love too:
https://pururin.to/gallery/37126/a-cupids-reward
2-parter, what it says on the title:
https://pururin.to/gallery/35544/best-friend-sex
Maduca 3some, cuz why not?
https://pururin.to/gallery/36710/mahoma-magika
Again with horny magical girls:
https://pururin.to/gallery/36710/mahoma-magika
Please dont steal ppl's undies:
https://pururin.to/gallery/31623/futanari-seisaikan-futanari-punishment-rape
Well drawn, moderately sexy, cute imo, almost give me a new fetish
Nozomi x Eli.Love Live
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Speaking of Love Live, the first part in Itsuki Kuro's MakiRinPana futa saga has been translated
https://exhentai.org/g/2130483/38faf52565/
Can't access exhentai T.T
You can just change ex to e- like https://e-hentai.org/g/2130483/38faf52565/ works too. But there's ads.
Can't access exhentai T.T
You can just change ex to e- like https://e-hentai.org/g/2130483/38faf52565/ works too. But there's ads.
Thanks, much much appreciated.
Link dumps or 3 some or more:
*1 futa girl involved:
"The Bewildered Adventurer-chan is Caught and Reverse-Raped as the Penis She Grew Gets Aroused by the Female Demons"
OG Love Live:
https://pururin.to/gallery/34398/umi-chan-o-futari-de-succhau-hon
https://pururin.to/gallery/46841/imishin-love-arrow
Young'un Love Live:
Macross Delta, art is superb:
https://pururin.to/gallery/50170/kumokanamira-wont-stop
Kancolle:
https://pururin.to/gallery/40610/naganami-sama-ni-haechatta
Fate Grand Order:
https://pururin.to/gallery/42824/zettai-fukujuu-dosukebe-futanari-chinpo-beast
Touhou:
https://nhentai.net/g/273659/ (it's udongein, it's always udongein...)
Girl Frontline dj by HUQU
*Futa fest
Madoka Magica, as always:
https://pururin.to/gallery/4102/chinhomu
https://nhentai.net/g/194930/ (Warning: Kinda intense, read tags please)
Original, thongs:
FGO:
https://pururin.to/gallery/37998/master-ni-haetemite-itadakimashita
Precure:
(Same artist)
https://nhentai.net/g/252428/
https://nhentai.net/g/98907/ (Warning, foot insertion)
https://nhentai.net/g/145641/
https://nhentai.net/g/145641/
It's ok if it's a ghost.
Fantsy lesbian couple discovers advanced strap-ons thanks to a salty forever single witch:
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Fantsy lesbian couple discovers advanced strap-ons thanks to a salty forever single witch:
page 29 was pretty wholesome
Well a hentai artist Made many years ago a nice anatomy of a futanari: https://i.nhentai.net/galleries/2273903/80.jpg
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