Honestly, everything scream failure from miles. It would be a miracle if the game work better than the dinosaur one.

In that godforsaken dodgeball game team, there're serval problems such as low-budget, low-time, workload and most importantly teamwork problem which management should IMMEDIATELY solve. There's actually a solution that will solve teamwork problem and workload problem since the cause was Momiji. Rather than using sweet words, force Momiji to work with Aoba and/or Yun. But that's unlikely that Hajime would use such a method.

So it's so unlikely that game will work better than the Dinosaur game

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moguTL posted:

Worst chapter in the entire series coming up in two chapters. Then things slowly start getting better again. (In my opinion)

Checking the raws, it does seem to be the lowest point of the manga, everything is dread and despair with dark clouds lo/ and something going on in Europe that makes me go hmmmmm??? and then the vol ends with light. I can't see the raws for vol10 but I'll trust your word. still very sad, to think that the best thing about this whole arc right now is that it's soon going to be over... more or less.

I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling this way..... and glad the stupid arc is almost over....

It makes sense to have Aoba fail every now and then, but it's as difficult to tell who is the protag of the story now as Gundam Seed Destiny....

I came to see Aoba's story, not Momiji, not Hajime, and definitely not Hotaru. I don't mind they put in a few chapters about them, but a whole darn arc is just annoying.

I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling this way..... and glad the stupid arc is almost over....

It makes sense to have Aoba fail every now and then, but it's as difficult to tell who is the protag of the story now as Gundam Seed Destiny....

I came to see Aoba's story, not Momiji, not Hajime, and definitely not Hotaru. I don't mind they put in a few chapters about them, but a whole darn arc is just annoying.

I thought the mentoring relationship between Aoba and Yagami was by far the best thing in the manga, followed by, in no particular order, the Yagami/Rin relationship, Umiko interacting with the young 'uns, and, from time to time, Hazuki's cute-girl lechery.

What's been the best part of this series since Yagami left?

Hi moguTL, Just asking Is the next chapter worst chapter in the entire series you talked about? I'm just asking because it seem to be focus on Hotaru

Stupid Hajime with your stupid decisions! glad they told you that to your face!

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Love coming here to see almost everyone getting tired of what I saw coming the moment the experienced programmer Tsubame forgot to test her code before turning it in. The moment the author tried adding drama was when this series nose dived.

Do any of you remember when Aoba x Hifumi was one of the main ships?
Yeah... those are some good memories...

That was replaced by Momo and Aoba. I miss Hifumi x Aoba a lot

I think Momo/Aoba relationship is the same as Aoba/Kou, a senior/junior relationship with one having more experience than the other and willing to help. I mean, i know it's not something people remember but Momo is already living with Narumi.

Lilliwyt posted:

I think Momo/Aoba relationship is the same as Aoba/Kou, a senior/junior relationship with one having more experience than the other and willing to help. I mean, i know it's not something people remember but Momo is already living with Narumi.

Yeah I never understood people shipping her with Aoba when she's already married and living with her "wife" ... but hang in there people, this bad dream will be over soon!

As long as she's already cheating on Hifumi I want an Aoba/Nene sex arc.I reaiize that wiII make the manga harder to finish on scheduIe but it wiII be more fun and create new cheating strategies.

Anyway, the whole dodge ball project has been going downhill since they make Hajime the director (althought it's funny that iirc in the anime, Kou said she will leave the company if Hajime would become her superior. Which more or less happen in a different order and manner here) without any prior experience and without really helping her. Especially for the art contest which was the biggest shitshow. Honestly, everything scream failure from miles. It would be a miracle if the game work better than the dinosaur one.

The same exchange happened in the manga, with Yun agreeing, Rin silently concurring, and Aoba trying to be polite about sharing the same opinion as the others. I don't think any of them were imagining a scenario like this, though, especially since Ko didn't get the idea to leave Eagle Jump until some time during Peco's development.

especially since Ko didn't get the idea to leave Eagle Jump until some time during Peco's development.

I think Ko start to get the idea after she lost the art contest for Peco.I think she know she had to change somehow and end up thinking she need a change of air but didn't know where.

Rin silently concurring

My headcanon is that Rin thought of Kou all day and doesn't care much of what happen here. Of course it's probably not true but i like to believe that.

The prevailing theory is that Kou's decision to leave was made after the promotional artwork incident during development of PECO. Since one of the major reasons she gave for leaving was that the company was kind of using her, relying too heavily on her for everything instead of letting other people grow.

Hi moguTL, Just asking Is the next chapter worst chapter in the entire series you talked about? I'm just asking because it seem to be focus on Hotaru

No, it's the chapter after that, a 20-page confusing mess of a chapter that has more plot lines than it has pages. I had to read it like three times to even figure out what was even going on in it. But at the same time, it's such a train wreck of a chapter that it's kind of fascinating.

The prevailing theory is that Kou's decision to leave was made after the promotional artwork incident during development of PECO. Since one of the major reasons she gave for leaving was that the company was kind of using her, relying too heavily on her for everything instead of letting other people grow.

Hence why I said "some time in Peco's development." The incident was almost certainly what gave her the idea, although I think she must have made up her mind at some point between then and her conversation with Yamato in Chapter 61.

Incidentally, I'm curious about something- do Hajime and Hotaru qualify for "The Scrappy" status in TV Tropes parlance? They seem to be disliked, at least as of the most recently uploaded chapters, but it's hard to tell whether a character is outright hated or merely divisive merely by reading discussion forums, and I'd like to be sure which they qualify for before I edit the YMMV page for New Game.

I used to love Hajime, specially around Yuun but as of late I just want to quickly forget this whole arc

Incidentally, I'm curious about something- do Hajime and Hotaru qualify for "The Scrappy" status in TV Tropes parlance? They seem to be disliked, at least as of the most recently uploaded chapters, but it's hard to tell whether a character is outright hated or merely divisive merely by reading discussion forums, and I'd like to be sure which they qualify for before I edit the YMMV page for New Game.

I guess that’s sometimes hard to say because naming a character “The Scrappy” entails summarizing what another bunch of people appear to feel. At times that’s obvious, but sometimes it’s just that characters are not especially beloved or are seen as extraneous and unnecessary but aren’t necessarily widely despised.

My sense is that the latter is the case here—relatively few people have strong feelings about the characters, and for those that do those feelings are neutral or negative.

But my main point is that’s only one person’s impression, and The Scrappy is a title bestowed by the vox populi.

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I like Hajime. She's just way over her head and out of her own comfort zone that she's struggling a lot.

Incidentally, I'm curious about something- do Hajime and Hotaru qualify for "The Scrappy" status in TV Tropes parlance? They seem to be disliked, at least as of the most recently uploaded chapters, but it's hard to tell whether a character is outright hated or merely divisive merely by reading discussion forums, and I'd like to be sure which they qualify for before I edit the YMMV page for New Game.

I guess that’s sometimes hard to say because naming a character “The Scrappy” entails summarizing what another bunch of people appear to feel. At times that’s obvious, but sometimes it’s just that characters are not especially beloved or are seen as extraneous and unnecessary but aren’t necessarily widely despised.

My sense is that the latter is the case here—relatively few people have strong feelings about the characters, and for those that do those feelings are neutral or negative.

But my main point is that’s only one person’s impression, and The Scrappy is a title bestowed by the vox populi.

That's essentially why I'm asking about it, rather than going ahead and adding Hajime and/or Hotaru myself. Personally, Hajime's one of my least favorite characters, but I've been hesitant to conclude that others feel the same way, and still am. At this point, while I did notice that a lot of the comments toward the two are negative, there doesn't seem to be enough of a consensus toward disliking the character to warrant Scrappy status.

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FWIW I have no strong feelings about this matter whatsoever. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I love how there are still dumb arguments here about trying to justify plot holes in an industry story written by a guy who has basically run out of experience.

It's still better than people who contemptuously dismiss people discussing the story as a few people here have done. One example is the person at the top of the page who claims that Tsubame, an "experienced programmer,"(in actuality, a talented newbie who's more experienced than Nene but less experienced than Umiko) "forgot" to test her code- more accurately, she did a half-hearted job, partly due to overconfidence-fueled carelessness and partly due to rushing. In that case, if she was convinced she wouldn't make a mistake and had a single-minded focus on getting done ASAP, it's only natural that she'd prioritize speed over quality.

To get things in a more positive direction, I personally liked this chapter, as it has a nice discussion of what it means to draw for someone else's approval, and shows that Catherine's other employees haven't given up on designing the King's Hand enemy just yet.

Has Hotaru landed herself a French waifu?

Has Hotaru landed herself a French waifu?

Maybe, but I doubt that her would be sisters-in-law, Christina and Catherine, would be at all happy about it.

By the way, it's astounding how large the age gaps between siblings can be in this series. Not only is Yun 21 while her twin siblings are 5-6 at the start of the story, but Christina and Catherine are at least in their late twenties or early thirties, while their little sister Sophie is in grade school (probably why Ko assumed she's Catherine's daughter). For reference, I'm two years older than my younger brother, and I grew up thinking such relatively narrow age gaps between siblings were more common.

more accurately, she did a half-hearted job, partly due to overconfidence-fueled carelessness and partly due to rushing. In that case, if she was convinced she wouldn't make a mistake and had a single-minded focus on getting done ASAP, it's only natural that she'd prioritize speed over quality.

There is not a single programmer who has worked in a professional environment for longer than a week who would write a bunch of code and not test it to see if it works before turning it in. That just doesn't happen, it makes no sense what so ever. Its clear you and the author have never done proper coding. There is no speeding through a project long before the deadline and not running it at least once to see if it works. And your "more accurate" is just made up, she isn't over confident at all. She is nervous and trying to impress her boss, and her excuse for not testing it was that she thought if it worked in one instance then it would work in all instances, which is a mistake no programming student after their first semester would make. And we are to believe that someone who already made at least one game made this stupid mistake? puh-lease... she should have been laughed out of the office and put on coffee duty until her internship was up.

Look, there's just one more confusing mess of a chapter to go before things start getting back to normal and we can all stop complaining.