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@NxY
Meanwhile, while neither arom or ace, I am overwhelmingly more into romance than sex. Part of the explanation is that I already got a GF, but that's not the whole thing.
@NxY
Meanwhile, while neither arom or ace, I am overwhelmingly more into romance than sex. Part of the explanation is that I already got a GF, but that's not the whole thing.
Women are too much work vietnam flasback to ex.
@NxY
Meanwhile, while neither arom or ace, I am overwhelmingly more into romance than sex. Part of the explanation is that I already got a GF, but that's not the whole thing.Women are too much work vietnam flasback to ex.
I'll drink to that!! Not that I'm celebrating your girl ptsd...
@NxY
Meanwhile, while neither arom or ace, I am overwhelmingly more into romance than sex. Part of the explanation is that I already got a GF, but that's not the whole thing.Women are too much work vietnam flasback to ex.
Ouch. I hope you overcome your problem.
BTW, y'know how it was mentioned that chapter 36 is gonna be a Sayaka chapter. Well, I read (a badly translated) version of it on imgur. I'm giving a spoiler, but not by saying what will happen, what won't happen. The excursion to Kyoto hasn't happened yet.
I hope I didn't mess up, because I may have or may have not remember where the excursion should be taking place, so correct me if I'm wrong.
@NxY
Meanwhile, while neither arom or ace, I am overwhelmingly more into romance than sex. Part of the explanation is that I already got a GF, but that's not the whole thing.Women are too much work vietnam flashback to ex.
Ouch. I hope you overcome your problem.
I was overexaggerating slightly, we just wanted different things from the relationship, I'm fine now coughs blood.
@NxY
Meanwhile, while neither arom or ace, I am overwhelmingly more into romance than sex. Part of the explanation is that I already got a GF, but that's not the whole thing.Women are too much work vietnam flashback to ex.
Ouch. I hope you overcome your problem.
I was overexaggerating slightly, we just wanted different things from the relationship, I'm fine now coughs blood.
@NxY
Meanwhile, while neither arom or ace, I am overwhelmingly more into romance than sex. Part of the explanation is that I already got a GF, but that's not the whole thing.Women are too much work vietnam flashback to ex.
Ouch. I hope you overcome your problem.
I was overexaggerating slightly, we just wanted different things from the relationship, I'm fine now coughs blood.
Thanks, made my day.
Coming off a bad break-up has nothing to do with being aromantic. It's not even comparable to any degree. Just because you are not interested in a romantic relationship right now doesn't mean that's your default stance.
I know nobody said that they are aromantic here, I'm just saying the comparison is sorely lacking.
You sure about that? You did admit to getting defensive in the past, but why is there a need to get defensive if you felt no insult? "Unfortunate phrasing" cannot be ignored because this is entirely a textual medium. But I suppose masturi_wins also has a choice not to respond to you so.. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Seeing that you're unlikely to cease, I wish you a good day, and I guess I'll stay off the forums for a while :\
I wasn't defensive about insults. I wasn't even defensive at all. I had a discussion with someone about topics we disagreed on.
You sure are a sensitive person. Oversensitive. It's not like you had to read these posts.
The unfortunate phrasing thing was a joke, but alas, I didn't think you'd be in the state of mind to accept levity.
If there is anything caricatural/stereotypical going on here is that I love discussing ad-infinitum like every good engineer about topics I find interesting. Apologies if it seemed like I was fighting BugDevil or something, hope I conveyed the discussion was in good fun! BugDevil replying intelligently just fueled the flames of interest :D
I think we can stop for now though since I believe it's a stalemate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHsPMxe7bOk
Oh good. So you do relent to peer pressure. I thought my points wouldn't be ignored for once (well not more than you already did). Oh well, I won't force you to keep talking~
Stalemate only in so far that you stopped replying and thus nothing can advance lol
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Coming off a bad break-up has nothing to do with being aromantic. It's not even comparable to any degree. Just because you are not interested in a romantic relationship right now doesn't mean that's your default stance.
I was replying to BV saying they think it would be weird for someone to be aro but not ace. In general, I'm not interested in romance, so I was using my limited experience to try to explain it.
My break up doesn't effect my views on romance.
You sure are a sensitive person. Oversensitive. It's not like you had to read these posts.
The unfortunate phrasing thing was a joke, but alas, I didn't think you'd be in the state of mind to accept levity.If there is anything caricatural/stereotypical going on here is that I love discussing ad-infinitum like every good engineer about topics I find interesting. Apologies if it seemed like I was fighting BugDevil or something, hope I conveyed the discussion was in good fun! BugDevil replying intelligently just fueled the flames of interest :D
I think we can stop for now though since I believe it's a stalemate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHsPMxe7bOkOh good. So you do relent to peer pressure. I thought my points wouldn't be ignored for once (well not more than you already did). Oh well, I won't force you to keep talking~
Stalemate only in so far that you stopped replying and thus nothing can advance lol
At this point it looks more like you’re trying to push someone into continuing when they’re trying to disengage. I don’t appreciate that, nor do I appreciate the “oversensitive” dismissal toward the other poster.
It’s clear that the time has come to drop it, so please do so.
rolls eyes
I was replying to BV saying they think it would be weird for someone to be aro but not ace. In general, I'm not interested in romance, so I was using my limited experience to try to explain it.
My break up doesn't effect my views on romance.
So you were in a relationship despite being not interested in romance? Guess that was your experimental phase? Sorry it didn't work out then.
At this point it looks more like you’re trying to push someone into continuing when they’re trying to disengage. I don’t appreciate that, nor do I appreciate the “oversensitive” dismissal toward the other poster.
It’s clear that the time has come to drop it, so please do so.
I can't pressure anyone into doing anything they don't want, so I won't.
You know, that was me dropping it. Let me have my spite at least.
Well then tell me, if someone who had no business with your conversation told you to stop and then said they will leave, because you don't listen to their unrelated demands... how is that not oversensitive? I do not appreciate that kind of thing either, but I suppose I went too far somehow. You make the rules after all shrugs
time to take a chill pill I think. I need my sleep.
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@amateuraspirant
Considering what you said, I got the impression that it's sleeptime in your timezone, therefore...
Good night.
Now, something's telling me that I'm getting timezoned/clockblocked again...
Now, something's telling me that I'm getting timezoned/clockblocked again...
Speaking of which, it's almost midnight. WHERE THE FUCK IS THE NEXT CHAPTER, DAMMIT?!
contemplates whether he should ask the question that has been having on the back of his mind for a few days now or after sleep
comes to decision Good night, y'all.
Oh good. So you do relent to peer pressure. I thought my points wouldn't be ignored for once (well not more than you already did). Oh well, I won't force you to keep talking~
I didn't relent to peer pressure, but I can sense when my need for bantering and discussion makes others uncomfortable and would make them want to stop playing the game so to speak.
Stalemate only in so far that you stopped replying and thus nothing can advance lol
You do like to play, don't you? Jeez lol I will just say one thing, which is that it's not stalemate because I had nothing else to say, but because I usually discuss to find out "what's right rather than who is right" :P
But I realized in our discussion it's not possible to find that out, because the crux of the issue is unprovable: did Yuu fall in love with Touko because of talking to her only (pure personality) or also because she was kissed, physically being touched by her, and felt good about it/finds Touko good-looking? There is no way of knowing that without asking the author, and the scenes could be interpreted either way.
In that case, I think the interpretation says more about the reader than anything else. I would never imagine Yuu could fall for Touko just because of personality because I can't even imagine what that would be like. Similarly, I don't see a problem with Sayaka at least getting some hot action from Touko even if she gets rejected, because hey, that's better than getting no action at all. lmao Maybe my gf is right and I do think a lot like a dude, not sure.
@BV Don't forget about that EDIT button. It really helps.
I didn't relent to peer pressure, but I can sense when my need for bantering and discussion makes others uncomfortable and would make them want to stop playing the game so to speak.
Semantics, but so be it. You are so considerate.
You do like to play, don't you? Jeez lol I will just say one thing, which is that it's not stalemate because I had nothing else to say, but because I usually discuss to find out "what's right rather than who is right" :P
But I realized in our discussion it's not possible to find that out, because the crux of the issue is unprovable: did Yuu fall in love with Touko because of talking to her only (pure personality) or also because she was kissed, physically being touched by her, and felt good about it/finds Touko good-looking? There is no way of knowing that without asking the author, and the scenes could be interpreted either way.
In that case, I think the interpretation says more about the reader than anything else. I would never imagine Yuu could fall for Touko just because of personality because I can't even imagine what that would be like. Similarly, I don't see a problem with Sayaka at least getting some hot action from Touko even if she gets rejected, because hey, that's better than getting no action at all. lmao Maybe my gf is right and I do think a lot like a dude, not sure.
Making it hard to quit...
Without reopening the topic, we have definitive proof for one, while the other is mere conjecture on your part. So I'll at the very least say you should accept the thing that is obvious, even if you won't stop interpreting things into it that, well, aren't.
Yeah, we already established that you don't care about how that would affect the characters (and short-sightedly think that it would be better than nothing), let's leave it at that, however annoying it may be.
Well I think you are generalizing dudes pretty badly. What a shocker.
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Without reopening the topic, we have definitive proof for one, while the other is mere conjecture on your part. So I'll at the very least say you should accept the thing that is obvious, even if you won't stop interpreting things into it that, well, aren't.
Where is the definitive proof? Your interpretation doesn't count, I need something better :P This is a manga so it has only pictures and dialogues, most of what's happening is inferred.
Your inferences are based on the "model" of the characters you have in your head. That's based on your internal models of how people work. And your models are largely based on how you work. Which is why people are often reluctant to accept someone else's interpretations about anything and see stuff the way they want to see.
In my way of interpreting the story -- taking a specific scene as example -- when Yuu was kissed by Touko in ep 4 she totally felt the physical attraction pull to do it (the scene in the anime even focuses on her eye changing to one of desire, her pupil dilates), even if she is not in love with Touko yet. And Touko totally catches on to that even before the kiss, that she felt flustered about Touko being so close to her and looking at her like that, which is why she teases Yuu. But Yuu is not going to reply "oh yeah I wanted to do it, this feels nice", because it would be awkward and in a way "losing" to Touko who has been obviously trying to win over her affections. In the story, in my opinion, she is simultaneously curious about falling in love and reluctant to let her feelings flow and actually fall in love.
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Where is the definitive proof? Your interpretation doesn't count, I need something better :P This is a manga so it has only pictures and dialogues, most of what's happening is inferred.
Your inferences are based on the "model" of the characters you have in your head. That's based on your internal models of how people work. And your models are largely based on how you work. Which is why people are often reluctant to accept someone else's interpretations about anything and see stuff the way they want to see.
In my way of interpreting the story -- taking a specific scene as example -- when Yuu was kissed by Touko in ep 3 she totally felt the physical attraction pull to do it (the scene in the anime even focuses on her eye changing to one of desire, her pupil dilates), even if she is not in love with Touko yet. And Touko totally catches on to that even before the kiss, that she felt flustered about Touko being so close to her and looking at her like that, which is why she teases Yuu. But Yuu is not going to reply "oh yeah I wanted to do it, this feels nice", because it would be awkward and in a way "losing" to Touko who has been obviously trying to win over her affections. In the story, in my opinion, she is simultaneously curious about falling in love and reluctant to let her feelings flow and actually fall in love.
Oh man... Well, as long as I don't say anything veering from pure objectivity, I may be forgiven for this. Don't kill me mods.
Your interpretation could be seen as legitimate, if the manga didn't clearly show how it really is.
Your interpretation is lacking in way too many aspects. That scene in episode 3 doesn't necessarily have anything to do with desire (pupils dilate from pretty much anything, including surprise/stress, light shifting etc.).
Touko teases Yuu, because she said she has no interest in her and doesn't understand love, but still goes along with something so ridiculous. So she infers (most likely jokingly) that Yuu might be into it after all. What Yuu is flustered about is not the kiss and we know that because when she was kissed the first time she wasn't flustered in the slightest. I don't see how you can retroactively change that in your headcanon. If Yuu really liked the sensation of kissing so much, why did she not feel anything from the first one?
Yuu is pretty direct about how she feels about anything, except when it comes to the promise later on that she won't fall in love, form then onward she doesn't say what she really thinks concerning their relationship. But at this point there is no reason to assume she was fronting. I think I already explained previously that the reason Yuu is evasive and agreed to Touko's request in the first place is that she hopes to feel something from it, not that she actually does. In a way she is using Touko's affection to test herself. Doesn't work though. The chapter title wasn't "A kiss is just a kiss" for no reason.
PS: Yuu was not the least bit flustered after the kiss.
Now let's go to the flipside. Yuu is almost constantly thinking about Touko, in many aspects, even about how she is cute, how she's admirable, how she feels special for being the only one she shows her weakness to etc. I don't really feel like picking out all the pages, because... that would be several every chapter.
The sports festival scene quite clearly shows how just watching Touko do her best and shine brightly makes her heart race and space out. And only after that, the proverbial "Starting shot" to her falling in love, did her heart start to race during kisses. Only then she finally felt something.
So yes, to me it is quite clear what the order of things was. Both work in tandem, but feelings came first, physical excitement later. As it usually goes in romance stories and manga, physical intimacy only reflects the degree of love/closeness. Starting from here they did get more touchy-feely of course (when Touko stayed over for sure).
The only sign of Yuu having a physical interest before she realized she had fallen that I can think of is when she played with Touko's hair before the speech. Maybe that she apparently mentioned to her mom that her senpai is pretty, but that's like, an objective statement almost.
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Guys, it’s either stalemate or a draw by repetition.
Time for a fresh game.