This is getting out of hand. Cannibal. You're the only one I've been getting consistent complaints about on the entire site, and in the interests of keeping the discussion accessible by as many people as possible, I need to step in. Again.

Drop the topic. As with the Yuzumori-san discussion, if you keep it up I shall start removing your posts and possibly give you temp ban. I'd very much rather not have to do either.

Everyone else Don't keep the argument going. It's clearly fruitless at this point. Stick to discussing the manga's events rather than anyone here in particular.

last edited at Jan 29, 2018 11:32AM

This is getting out of hand. Cannibal. You're the only one I've been getting consistent complaints about on the entire site, and in the interests of keeping the discussion accessible by as many people as possible, I need to step in. Again.

Drop the topic. As with the Yuzumori-san discussion, if you keep it up I shall start removing your posts and possibly give you temp ban. I'd very much rather not have to do either.

Everyone else Don't keep the argument going. It's clearly fruitless at this point. Stick to discussing the manga's events rather than anyone here in particular.

Fucking hell, finally. Every time I want to discuss about Citrus there's always walls of text blocking me to do it

I disagree.

Not saying it's not her fault, but do you always deserve the things you impose to yourself? Do self-loathing character deserve the suffering they impose on themselves? Most of the times, it's kind of unfair.. Although, I can understand the general incomprehension or disdain.

Otherwise, I agree completely that she is imposing it on herself, but what to do when your life goals clash with your love life...

That is indeed her dilemma. How to solve it. Make a choice and hurting some people and losing a part of her future she would like, living with Yuzu and ruling the school on her own terms.

Or, a Deus ex machina could help her to find a third path. But i doubt it, all the manga's message, trough Shou and Yuzu, is to follow your own path without any regret. Is it really her gold life? Maybe Mei will have to reconsider it and wonder if she wasn't mistaken in believing it was what she wanted. After all, when she was ill, she almost told Yuzu she didn't really like all these responsibilities.

Anyway, i conflicted on the solution the author will give, something evident like Shou coming back or a real surprise with something unexpected.

And nothing of value was lost.

Hahaha, point proven.

last edited at Jan 29, 2018 1:24PM

Does anyone know anything about the release schedule for the anime?? Found episodes 1-4 last night, but haven't heard anything else

Does anyone know anything about the release schedule for the anime?? Found episodes 1-4 last night, but haven't heard anything else

You can get your weekly dose of "sexual assault is okay if it's yuri" at Crunchyroll on Saturdays at 8:00am PST.

I disagree.

Not saying it's not her fault, but do you always deserve the things you impose to yourself? Do self-loathing character deserve the suffering they impose on themselves? Most of the times, it's kind of unfair.. Although, I can understand the general incomprehension or disdain.

Otherwise, I agree completely that she is imposing it on herself, but what to do when your life goals clash with your love life...

That is indeed her dilemma. How to solve it. Make a choice and hurting some people and losing a part of her future she would like, living with Yuzu and ruling the school on her own terms.

Or, a Deus ex machina could help her to find a third path. But i doubt it, all the manga's message, trough Shou and Yuzu, is to follow your own path without any regret. Is it really her gold life? Maybe Mei will have to reconsider it and wonder if she wasn't mistaken in believing it was what she wanted. After all, when she was ill, she almost told Yuzu she didn't really like all these responsibilities.

Anyway, i conflicted on the solution the author will give, something evident like Shou coming back or a real surprise with something unexpected.

The only thing that I could see happening, other than Shou coming back, would be a super cheesy scene with Yuzu and all the girls storming the wedding and objecting, assuring gramps that all of their (powerful?) families will keep supporting Mei in the future, or some other power of friendship crap like that.

You can get your weekly dose of "sexual assault is okay if it's yuri fictional" at Crunchyroll on Saturdays at 8:00am PST.

FTFY.

You can get your weekly dose of "sexual assault is okay if it's yuri fictional" at Crunchyroll on Saturdays at 8:00am PST.

FTFY.

You clearly didn't since the teacher committing sexual assault is seen as disturbing while Mei sexual assaulting Yuzu is portrayed at romantic. Both are fictional but not treated equally.

[...] while Mei sexual assaulting Yuzu is portrayed at romantic.

That's the feeling I got while reading the manga, but the anime made it way more uncomfortable and longer with an ominous music, showing that it was definitely not okay even in terms of in-world logic; and even if it made a strong impression on Yuzu.

In a way, I think the anime made me understand what was that scene about : Mei showing Yuzu what it is to be forcefully kissed just like she was, kind of lashing out at her for her taunting about the kiss.

last edited at Jan 30, 2018 3:00PM

[...] while Mei sexual assaulting Yuzu is portrayed at romantic.

That's the feeling I got while reading the manga, but the anime made it way more uncomfortable and longer with an ominous music, showing that it was definitely not okay even in terms of in-world logic; and even if it made a strong impression on Yuzu.

In a way, I think the anime made me understand what was that scene about : Mei showing Yuzu what it is to be forcefully kissed just like she was, kind of lashing out at her for her taunting about the kiss.

Which ends with Yuzu getting entranced and falling in love almost instantly. If there was suppose to be any commentary about how forcing someone to kiss you is bad it is completely negated when it shows that forcing a kiss on someone can actually make them fall in love with you. Hell, Yuzus comment about the face Mei was making while kissing the teacher makes it sounds like Mei enjoyed it.

Th e whole point of the scene was for Mei to show her that the only reason she enjoyed it was because physical contact is enjoyable even if you don't like the situation. I don't think the manga portrayed it as romantic in any way at all, I think she showed what she intended to show but styled it up as it was the "first kiss" scene and was the start to the drama of the series. In turn the Anime did it justice as the scene did not need any over glorification.

On another note I think the problem that we're going to run into is that Mei won't really want to say no, because doing so would force her to either ask her dad or her grandfather to give up their dream. Maybe the author will use this to make a scene when Mei realises that following suit with her Grand Father is essentially her asking Yuzu to give up on love. Idk its unlikely but we'll see.

Which ends with Yuzu getting entranced and falling in love almost instantly.

That's what could happen when somebody you're already attracted to force themselves onto you. Perhaps Yuzu is submissive, and since she is already aroused by Mei from this point, it affects her a lot.

If there was suppose to be any commentary about how forcing someone to kiss you is bad it is completely negated when it shows that forcing a kiss on someone can actually make them fall in love with you.

I like to imagine people are smart enough to distinguish a forced kiss in the context of a romance story (a fiction) and what is actually acceptable in real life. But if I believe many commentaries I read here and elsewhere about controversial stuff, we're all idiots that get easily influenced by illustrated stories from a far away country without any ability to distinguish fiction from reality...

I also don't think stories have to deliver a particular message nor to uphold a certain set of morals to be enjoyable, but, sometimes, I have the feeling I'm in the minority.

Hell, Yuzus comment about the face Mei was making while kissing the teacher makes it sounds like Mei enjoyed it.

There can be physical reactions/arousal during rape, I don't think the victims enjoyed it. And I think the whole point was for Mei to show Yuzu it's not that great. The real first kiss they both enjoyed was on their bed after Yuzu helped Mei sorts things out with her father, and here it is clearly shown how much powerful and enjoyable it was.

---

Maybe the author will use this to make a scene when Mei realises that following suit with her Grand Father is essentially her asking Yuzu to give up on love. Idk its unlikely but we'll see.

That would be great for Mei to realise it's also influencing Yuzu at this point, and not only her and her grandpa. I admit it's an angle I haven't thought about, too focused on Mei's pov : choosing between her dream and her love life. That said, I wonder if it's not already the case (Mei knowing it also concerns Yuzu). I've read here or on reddit that some people saying that if Yuzu learned about it, she would try to stop everything and make Mei's plan fail.

But what if it was the other way around? Knowing how caring and kind Yuzu is, what's to say that, if she learned about it, she wouldn't probably try to step down, to distance herself from Mei just to let her pursue her life goal? What if Mei also thought about that and is keeping it all secret from Yuzu so she could keep being with her? Remember that in vol6, she said she wanted them to keep going on despite everything else.

Of course, she can't keep it secret forever, but she dreads what will happen when the cat's out. Poor Mei's getting torn between everything and everyone she loves..

last edited at Jan 31, 2018 2:07PM

For something completely different: whom else finds the men in Citrus weird looking?

I thought the anime would had been some sort of upgrade for the Manga. (I guess I was expecting a K-ON drastic type of change lol) I mean the K-on Manga is horrible but the Anime is the most beautiful thing you'll ever lay eyes on and that has to do with the fact that the team behind the animation did a great job bringing the manga to live as an animation (that the fact that the company who animated K-ON was great company already). Now back to why the man looked weird? Well in the manga the mangaka wasn't that great at drawing man from the start. BUT of course the company behind the anime could had done a major upgrade on the art but sadly I even feel that they actually taken it a step back. I honestly dont even watch the anime. And I have been starving for a Yuri Anime. I dont knw the art sometimes turns me off. I'll prob go back to the show some time later.

But what if it was the other way around? Knowing how caring and kind Yuzu is, what's to say that, if she learned about it, she wouldn't probably try to step down, to distance herself from Mei just to let her pursue her life goal? What if Mei also thought about that and is keeping it all secret from Yuzu so she could keep being with her? Remember that in vol6, she said she wanted them to keep going on despite everything else.

Of course, she can't keep it secret forever, but she dreads what will happen when the cat's out. Poor Mei's getting torn between everything and everyone she loves..

Very interesting indeed. Maybe Mei wants to keep it a secret from each side (Grandfather/manager that she already have someone and Yuzu, that she has to make a step forward to achieve a goal life, professionally speaking) because she's afraid to lose one of the two things she desires when everything will be known to each party. She wants to find a third way, but time flies and earning time is less possible.

I totally see Yuzu saying she won't be an obstacle to Mei's life goals and accepting to suffer for Mei. But, is Mei's real happiness is linked to ruling the school? Is it really her life goal or does she think it is because it's been ingrained? What if Mei realizes that her life goal is Yuzu?

On the other hand, Yuzu, in the last chapter, isn't living the instant anymore, she projects herself in a shared future with Mei and is ready to take many steps forward to find her life goal. For Yuzu, Mei being the headmistress and her partner are almost acquired, so she'll be devasted, but it's her style to bear the pain on her shoulders for someone else's happiness, even if this happiness is really doubtful. It is also her style to be ready to embrace her future with her sometimes forced positivity. The scene where Mei is some steps back in chapter 35 is very symbolic as if Yuzu was slipping away because Yuzu is all turned to the future, Mei is caged in the past and the old-fashioned conventions. We almost saw Mei's terrified look to see Yuzu gets away.

Mei sure has to make a deep introspection. What will be the key? Yuzu could be the one breaking up (temporary) to free Mei from their relationship, as an ultimate act of love and maybe Mei will try to rebuild it when she'll accept to make a choice.

So many ways to resolve this drama, and only one chapter ... leading us to probably another volume to see everything solved.

last edited at Feb 1, 2018 10:44AM

Has Mei actually told the dude that "yes, I am gay for Yuzu, so this is complicated" and somehow manage to get an understanding response from him?

last edited at Feb 1, 2018 9:39PM by Nezchan

Both of you, take it somewhere else. You want to obsess over someone and badmouth them, start a Tumblr like everyone else. This isn't the place for it.

Saburota revealed on twitter the reason of the difference between Harumin's houses from the anime and the manga. The house shown in the anime is her Grandma's and Harumin is staying there because is closer to the school, the one shown in the manga is the "main house" so to speak, she also revealed that starting from Harumin's Grandma all the women in her family have attended Aihara Academy.

This creates some plot holes, like how old are Mei's Grandpa and Harumin's Grandma or how Harumin only enrolled in HS to Aihara Academy.

Saburota also mentioned she has some scary family members and that she'd like to write something about that.

Mei sure has to make a deep introspection. What will be the key? Yuzu could be the one breaking up (temporary) to free Mei from their relationship, as an ultimate act of love and maybe Mei will try to rebuild it when she'll accept to make a choice.

That makes me think that most of the times Yuzu tried to distance herself from Mei were in the earliest chapter, when Mei couldn't care less because she hadn't fall for her step-sister yet. The only occurrence of Yuzu distancing herself from Mei that had an emotional impact was in vol7 and it seemed to have hurt Mei a bit much - while I'm thinking about it, I think Mei was pretty upset when Yuzu rejected her advances at the end vol3/start of vol4, but the emotional impact still wasn't big.

If Yuzu was to tell Mei now that they should stop everything for Mei's own good... I wonder what would happen to the poor girl. Imagine, another loved one who abandons her, she would probably break Edit because people like to laugh at the daddy issue's justification, but I think there's also abandonment issue in there. Or perhaps Mei will finally be able to stand strong and not give up. I know Saburouta ended every conflict at the end of each volume, but I think this would be one conflict worth expanding in the next volume as well, this is a turning point in Mei's life, after all.

Addendum

She wants to find a third way, but time flies and earning time is less possible.

Either she is thinking very hard, or she already chose the flight decision and is stalling for time, hoping something miraculous would happen. Will she chose the "make the one I love hate me so they don't suffer" route? That wouldn't "look" like her.

P.S. Ahah, I'm reading chapter 33 again, I think people were too busy complaining about the sketchy drawings to notice that Harumin's put Matsuri's head in her breasts.. That or I didn't see the commentaries about it. That's highly dangerous shipping fuel. I wonder if Mei did that instead of forcefully kissing Yuzu to make her shut up, would people still have complained about sexual assault? Is it sexual assault when one forcefully put another's face into one's own breasts?

last edited at Feb 3, 2018 2:13PM

Uh... Can I just say
Mei can legally say no and maybe I don't know talk to Yuzu

Uh... Can I just say
Mei can legally say no and maybe I don't know talk to Yuzu

Not if she wants to inherit the school (in her eyes). And, I assume, she is afraid of how Yuzu would react if (when) she heard about it. So she has a choice to make and the whole point of the story is to see her suffer through that choice... Sounds pretty grim when I say it like that, but that's essentially what this kind of stories offer (and why some people don't like them because they see many "simple" solutions that would make the whole suffering pointless in their eyes).

last edited at Feb 3, 2018 12:39PM

"In the first act, chase your main character up a tree. In the second, throw rocks at them."

It makes sense that the author wants to corner her and force her to face a difficult (from her point of view) decision. There's sacrifice no matter which way she goes, and while that's hard to watch for people invested in the character's happiness or is far enough removed to say "I wouldn't act like that", it's the kind of situation an author should want to set up.

I'm just sigh this might sound weird I don't want this to be like Twilight
I don't want baby gays to want a Mei

When will Mei stop suffering?? She doesn't deserve any of this...

I disagree. She could say no to her grandfather. She could politely explain the situation to Udagawa. But she doesn't. She might be suffering , but it's self-inflicted. As the saying goes, you can't always have you cake and eat it too. She needs to decide if she wants to please everyone else around her, or if she wants to be truly happy, Either way, someone will end up disappointed or hurt. That's a fact of lifs.

Okay, only one thing, this takes place in Japan, where gay marriage is looked down upon. Assuming she did come out, she would risk possibly being disowned or not inheriting the school, something she worked her whole life for, so she would be throwing away her whole life basically.

If she would tell Yuzu, it is very possible she would make a scene trying to stop it considering what we’ve seen in the past. That is also probably why the others who do know aren’t saying anything.

When you do something, it’s not just a simple do it or don’t, turning down the marriage can have real consequences. This is less make the right choice, and more, make the choice that causes less damage. Throw away the thing you worked your life for, or throw away what may be your future.