When it's ready, yes. Don't be impatient.

I’m sorry, I wasn’t trying to be. I just don’t know how the whole translating thing or the website works yet

Yuzumori-san chapters tend to be finished pretty quickly, but the people doing it are all volunteers with lives of their own. So while they do tend to have a rep for pulling off some pretty impressive turnaround times, it's only right to give them as much slack as they need. I doubt it'll be very long anyway.

What are you talking about?

This feels like we're sitting at the same table after previously agreeing that we would be playing a card game, but we both show up with different decks (ie, Uno and French playing cards). You play your game with the deck you have and your own logic, I do the same with mine, but it's fruitless to keep it going because there's no match so peace and, have a nice day!

It's more like we are arguing over what is happening in a manga but for some reason you are making up stuff out of thin air. You make statements that are completely contradictory to what actually happened. You say that Yuzumori doesn't know that Ririha told Mimika that they are friends but Mimika clearly says just that. That's why I asked "what are you talking about?" because what you said made no sense with the quotes that I cited.

You say that Yuzumori doesn't know that Ririha told Mimika that they are friends.

That's what I said. Period. Meaning that there's no statement from Mimika that's anyway close to her telling Yuzumori "Ririha told me you're friends". What you quote, "this is the first time that I met your friends" and "you should've let me know that you have such good friends" are the words of a girl (Mimika) who speaks without directly mentioning that she and Ririha ever discussed about anything involving friendship. Instead, those are the words of a girl (always Mimika) who's been listening to a broken-hearted somebody telling her their own version of a story, assuming that said version is true and watching three girl "friends" playing together. Mimika never once doubts Ririha's words, and the fact that Yuzumori gets along with Isuzu and Ririha is as good as any evidence that what Ririha told her before Yuzumori's arrival is true. They are friends. That's what Mimika accepts as true, that's her new insight on Yuzumori's relationship with the two guests.

You say that Yuzumori doesn't know that Ririha told Mimika that they're friends but Mimika clearly says that.

Mimika says that Yuzumori has friends, yes, but she doesn't say that Ririha told her that. What I said is that there's no trace of Ririha's name, no hint to them ever talking, no mentioning to the fact that it was Ririha who told Mimika that Yuzumori has friends in chapter 23. Yuzumori never gets to hear Ririha's name out of Mimika's lips, she doesn't know that Mimika and Ririha ever "talked". That's what I said. I never said that Mimika doesn't tell Yuzumori that she and Ririha aren't friends - that's rather explicit in what you quoted and it'd be hard for anybody to miss it - but Mimika never mentions her little chat with Ririha which is the main reason behind her statement "such great friends", aka "friends that care about you and want to be with you while I'm taking you away from your childhood".

Ririha what the hell are you doing ?!
http://yawaspi.com/yuzumori/comic/035_001.html raw

https://pastebin.com/B2EcsSa3

Translation of the new chapter!

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I just read the chapter... I think in the next chapter we will have the answers.

komugi posted:

I just read the chapter... I think in the next chapter we will have the answers.

So far things are working better than expected, but I'm ready to see Mimika again. Thanks for the link

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Ririha what the hell are you doing ?!
http://yawaspi.com/yuzumori/comic/035_001.html raw

https://pastebin.com/B2EcsSa3

Translation of the new chapter!

komugi posted:

I just read the chapter... I think in the next chapter we will have the answers.

So far things are working better than expected, but I'm ready to see Mimika again. Thanks for the link

Don't mention it. ^^

Ririha what the hell are you doing ?!
http://yawaspi.com/yuzumori/comic/035_001.html raw

https://pastebin.com/B2EcsSa3

Translation of the new chapter!

Loved it XD

Well, that crisis was resolved quickly.

Still not knowing where this manga wants to go.

Well, that crisis was resolved quickly.

Still not knowing where this manga wants to go.

Resolved? Where? She didn't explain her motives yet.

komugi posted:

Well, that crisis was resolved quickly.

Still not knowing where this manga wants to go.

Resolved? Where? She didn't explain her motives yet.

Well, the "misunderstanding" between Kaede and Mimika is lifted. So it's just a matter of a lot of explaining and reconciliation and yadda, yadda, yadda...

I don't think the author is going to insist on the Ririha/Kaede feud. They will probably all start to hang out at Mimika's place in a sort of truce. Happy End.

komugi posted:

Well, that crisis was resolved quickly.

Still not knowing where this manga wants to go.

Resolved? Where? She didn't explain her motives yet.

Well, the "misunderstanding" between Kaede and Mimika is lifted. So it's just a matter of a lot of explaining and reconciliation and yadda, yadda, yadda...

I don't think the author is going to insist on the Ririha/Kaede feud. They will probably all start to hang out at Mimika's place in a sort of truce. Happy End.

You're probably right... Ririha will probably stick around...

Still... I'm... I'm... I'M NOT HAPPY! Ririha deserves at a least some kind of punishment!
She kicked Shi-chan! She has gone TOO FAR!

That's what I said. Period. Meaning that there's no statement from Mimika that's anyway close to her telling Yuzumori "Ririha told me you're friends". What you quote, "this is the first time that I met your friends" and "you should've let me know that you have such good friends" are the words of a girl (Mimika) who speaks without directly mentioning that she and Ririha ever discussed about anything involving friendship. Instead, those are the words of a girl (always Mimika) who's been listening to a broken-hearted somebody telling her their own version of a story, assuming that said version is true and watching three girl "friends" playing together. Mimika never once doubts Ririha's words, and the fact that Yuzumori gets along with Isuzu and Ririha is as good as any evidence that what Ririha told her before Yuzumori's arrival is true. They are friends. That's what Mimika accepts as true, that's her new insight on Yuzumori's relationship with the two guests.

What are you even going on about? I'm talking about what Yuzumori knows, not Mimika. Ririha told Mimika that her and Yuzumori were friends, and she believed her. Not once did I have issues with that. I have an issue with Yuzumori not contesting it when Mimika talks to her. Instead of "lets not talk about school" she should have said "they are not my friends."

Mimika says that Yuzumori has friends, yes, but she doesn't say that Ririha told her that. What I said is that there's no trace of Ririha's name, no hint to them ever talking, no mentioning to the fact that it was Ririha who told Mimika that Yuzumori has friends in chapter 23. Yuzumori never gets to hear Ririha's name out of Mimika's lips, she doesn't know that Mimika and Ririha ever "talked". That's what I said.

THEY WERE LITERALLY JUST IN THE ROOM! Mimika literally says that they are Yuzumori's friends and that they waited in her room for Yuzumori to show up to hang out. Why the hell would Mimika invite two random girls to hang out if she didn't already think they were her friends? Does Yuzumori think that they didn't talk without her present? That these two just barged in and started hanging out right after one of them threatened her?

I never said that Mimika doesn't tell Yuzumori that she and Ririha aren't friends - that's rather explicit in what you quoted and it'd be hard for anybody to miss it - but Mimika never mentions her little chat with Ririha which is the main reason behind her statement "such great friends", aka "friends that care about you and want to be with you while I'm taking you away from your childhood".

Now you are just not making any sense. Why the hell would Mimika think they were friends unless she was told? Does Yuzumori think that Mimika assumes that all little girls know each other?

And now with the translation out this has hit an all new low in bad writing. The villain is just going to reveal everything without any build up what so ever? God damn, this series has become such a disappointment. The fact that Yuzumori didn't realize it shows that she really is too ignorant, immature and even down right stupid to consent to any kind of relationship with Mimika. What was even the point of all this? Literally to pad out the series, just give it a mercy killing already.

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wow you should like hmmmm give it up yourself instead of torturing your eyes with "bad writing"... I mean, you can't even discuss this series anymore no one is in the same wavelength as you and at this point I don't think anyone wants to.

I would give it up if there was anything else coming out, but from the looks of it the translations of yuri series have gotten thinner as of recent so I have to make due with what I can get and what I'm getting is garbage that I feel needs to be called out.

It's bad writing, plain and simple. There is no subtleness between chapters, characters are making rash decisions based on the smallest suggestions. There is no build up to what is happening, everything is done purely to pad out the series with pointless drama. Even if Mimika and Yuzumori reconcile and get back together what do they get out of it? How does this breakup over a jealous girl's lies progress their relationship? It doesn't, if they make up they are back to square one. It will be several chapters of pointless garbage that does nothing to flesh out the characters.

Sorry that I'm making my disappointment with this series public.

I would give it up if there was anything else coming out, but from the looks of it the translations of yuri series have gotten thinner as of recent so I have to make due with what I can get and what I'm getting is garbage that I feel needs to be called out.

It's bad writing, plain and simple. There is no subtleness between chapters, characters are making rash decisions based on the smallest suggestions. There is no build up to what is happening, everything is done purely to pad out the series with pointless drama. Even if Mimika and Yuzumori reconcile and get back together what do they get out of it? How does this breakup over a jealous girl's lies progress their relationship? It doesn't, if they make up they are back to square one. It will be several chapters of pointless garbage that does nothing to flesh out the characters.

Sorry that I'm making my disappointment with this series public.

I can sorta understand your disappointment... I also had a mental breakdown when Nanashi no Asterism didn't ended the way I wanted (Grrrr I'm still mad about it)... aham..

But, in my opinion, Yuzumori-san is not "bad writing" (this is subjective). And I have to desagree with the quote: "the translations of yuri series have gotten thinner" because pretty much every day has new releases here in Dynasty. And there is even some chapters that didn't came out here yet but is already out in others sites (Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon)

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New Raws came out quickly http://yawaspi.com/yuzumori/comic/036_001.html Ririha is pretty much KO and now the final boss

That look in Mimika's eyes...no "Kodama" will work for her this time

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New Raws came out quickly http://yawaspi.com/yuzumori/comic/036_001.html Ririha is pretty much KO and now the final boss

Same goes with the translation: https://pastebin.com/0uzLcfKw

But, in my opinion, Yuzumori-san is not "bad writing" (this is subjective).

I don't know how subjective it actually us. Characters are just acting out without reason. Ririha is just spilling everything with literally no trigger for it. And now Yuzumori's forgiveness of her is completely unsubstantial since we have not seen them being friends at any point. There is no show here, only tell. The characters are telling a story within the story that we have no connection to as an audience and we are expected to accept it all. If anything, it's boring and pointless. We don't learn anything new and there is no character progression in the end.

And I have to desagree with the quote: "the translations of yuri series have gotten thinner" because pretty much every day has new releases here in Dynasty. And there is even some chapters that didn't came out here yet but is already out in others sites (Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon)

Most are fan doujins of other series or one shots. There are less actual series than there used to be. And even Kobayashi-san hasn't released anything in english since early October.

But, in my opinion, Yuzumori-san is not "bad writing" (this is subjective).

I don't know how subjective it actually us. Characters are just acting out without reason. Ririha is just spilling everything with literally no trigger for it. And now Yuzumori's forgiveness of her is completely unsubstantial since we have not seen them being friends at any point. There is no show here, only tell. The characters are telling a story within the story that we have no connection to as an audience and we are expected to accept it all. If anything, it's boring and pointless. We don't learn anything new and there is no character progression in the end.

Those "triggers" you say are not there go as far as chapter 7 goes. Yuzumori's "forgiveness" (if you want to call it this way) is completely understandable if you consider how she regarded Ririha in the past. Ririha's "telling" couldn't possibly be shown since the story here is set at a present time and any representation of it would split the narrative level. And "Show, don't tell" is just a rule. Whilst rules must be known, they need to be declined to each case, and this case doesn't require a showing of Yuzumori and Ririha's past together.

A deeper, retroactive reading will help you see why Ejima Eri makes the choices she makes. I do that (double questioning my opinions) when I think something is wrong - because I feel like my expectations were betrayed, because I didn't see something coming - so that I won't end up accusing the author of "bad writing" just because I'm the one at fault of "bad reading".

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But, in my opinion, Yuzumori-san is not "bad writing" (this is subjective).

I don't know how subjective it actually us. Characters are just acting out without reason. Ririha is just spilling everything with literally no trigger for it. And now Yuzumori's forgiveness of her is completely unsubstantial since we have not seen them being friends at any point. There is no show here, only tell. The characters are telling a story within the story that we have no connection to as an audience and we are expected to accept it all. If anything, it's boring and pointless. We don't learn anything new and there is no character progression in the end.

Ririha really got away with it easily... But I think Yuzumori got really happy to know that Mimika didn't really meant that... and didn't bother to properly deal with Ririha...

And now it's a love triangle... which means that not only Ririha will stick around but she also gonna be a pain in the ass to Mimika...

And I have to desagree with the quote: "the translations of yuri series have gotten thinner" because pretty much every day has new releases here in Dynasty. And there is even some chapters that didn't came out here yet but is already out in others sites (Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon)

Most are fan doujins of other series or one shots. There are less actual series than there used to be. And even Kobayashi-san hasn't released anything in english since early October.

I have fun with all those doujins and one-shots, so this didn't really bothers me... Now, about the series... Welp, at least that new series about rap is pretty cute, right...?

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And "Show, don't tell" is just a rule. Whilst rules must be known, they need to be declined to each case, and this case doesn't require a showing of Yuzumori and Ririha's past together.

About the "show, don't tell" rule... I think there is some good exceptions to this rule... For instance, the movie Halloween 1978 (weird choice but I pick it anyway), there is this speech by Dr. Loomis about Michael Myers:

"I met him, fifteen years ago. I was told there was nothing left; no reason, no conscience, no understanding; and even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, of good or evil, right or wrong. I met this six-year-old child with this blank, pale, emotionless face, and the blackest eyes... the devil's eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized that what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply... evil."

(this speech is without a flashback btw)

Michael Myers didn't fully appeared in the screen at the beginning of the movie, the mistery of how this phyco is, and what he can do, is what build up the tension and the atmosphere of the movie. And this speech only reinforces the tention.

Why I said all that? I just think that the "show, don't tell" rule isn't a horrible sin that everyone says to be. It's just my opinion, don't hurt me, I'm a good girl.

Is this rule good in Yuzumori-san? Well... What would be the mystery of why Ririha does what she does if we already know what it is?

Is this rule good in Yuzumori-san? Well... What would be the mystery of why Ririha does what she does if we already know what it is?

I'm not against the rule itself, just when it's used like an absolute truth, making readers feel entitled to review author's stories using their "show, don't tell" knowledge only, without differentiating its applications. That said, you're right and your example fits the situation.

We didn't know what Ririha's conflict with Yuzumori was, just that it affected Yuzumori and Mimika's storyline. Ejima Eri shows us that Ririha's a conflict (and she stays true to that in everything she does, that girl is the epitome of conflict), but she (Ejima) never once "tells" what that is. When Ririha confesses, what's happening is Ejima "showing" a character "telling". And it works, it respects the rule in a way that the author never interrupts her "showing" of the events at hand (and she never did since the beginning of the manga). Ejima never "tells" that Ririha's telling her motivations behind her behavior, she shows that. Instead, a flashback that'd make us "see" what Yuzumori and Ririha's relationship was like before would change the structure of the story, which is depicted as a linear timeline, and it'd remove the "subjective" element of Ririha's story. That's why Ririha "tells".

I'm not sure if I'm making myself clear here, but what I'm trying to say is that the author is not telling anything, she's always showing what's going on in the lives of the characters, whether is two of them sitting on a bench (why nobody complained when Shiori "told" Yuzumori how hers and Mimika's friendship was like back when they were little?), whether is one of them telling her own past and how she feels about it (why would Ejima use a flashback now?). Ejima is always showing, and nowhere is written that characters can't tell stories.

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