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I think the previous version of the translation made more sense...
Pg 00109 “Matsuri, are you saying that because you’re worried about me”

This line is NOT SPOKEN BY HARUMIN! It’s spoken from Matsuri to Harumin. Seriously the translators aren’t new are they? They should have understood the speech patterns of each of the characters and gotten them down pat by now... Harumin refers to herself as ‘Atashi (あたし)’ Matsuri refers to herself as ‘Watashi (私)’ The line here in Japanese is ‘それは私を心配しての言葉なのか’ this is a Matsuri line. This bubble the next bubble and the following conjoined bubbles are spoken as as one line.

“Are you saying that because you’re worried about me?
or is this another one of your selfish ‘defensive instincts’?
By concerning yourself with the matters of everyone around you
Are you that desperate to be loved?”

Pg 00101 “I understand that Yuzu Chan is so worried to the point that she might come busting through my door at any moment”

Last page: “Is you choosing not to tell anyone your principle as a ‘Stealth Gyaru’?”

To be honest there’s a few more minor ones in between, especially the bridge scene which I mentioned earlier cuz everyone who’s translating it translates it as though Harumin is reprimanding Matsuri “go on loving ‘that part of yourself’” when it’s actually Harumin telling Matsuri that she needs to learn to love that part of herself that she’s hiding away so desperately to make sure no one sees through her facade.

Hi, I'm the translator here. I'm aware that it was Matsuri that said that to Harumin. In the first translation, I was hoping people would understand that it was Matsuri saying it to Harumin. However, I had to reword things to make it so it made sense as we busted it out so quickly that I didn't exactly have time to go over everything and finalize it. It was a mistake I made since I hadn't read Citrus in Japanese for a long time now so forgot that Harumin never refers to herself as "watashi". I understand the speech patterns, I immediately began rereading the first 2 volumes of Citrus+ in Japanese because of my mistake so I'm very adapted to them now. As soon as it was posted, I realized my mistake during the second process of the translation but by then it was too late and some people were just exhausted from the second rendition to fix it. Which is completely understandable so I didn't want to push it. I wanted to change the page and make it clear that Matsuri was saying this to Harumin, however I didn't want to pressure the typesetter to fix it since she's already done so much.

With page Pg 00101 I was having trouble wording that line so it didn't sound choppy which is why I cut out the "to the point" and changed up the translation a little. It was one of the lines I didn't like the wording of, but I was exhausted from my uni work and redoing the translation the second time, that I just kept it how it was.

With the "Go on loving "that version of yourself" as well" line, my typesetter preferred that wording however I did want to change so it fit the original translation which was Harumin telling Matsuri to learn to love that version of herself. So, I'm very aware that the translation does not quite fit to original.

As for the translation on the last page, the version I did is the correct translation. 選択 means to choose, a decision, selection, etc.. She's posing the question that if Harumin has chosen not to tell anyone, then doesn't it make her a stealth gyaru by that decision. This is proven by the しちゃう which is to complete something or do something without meaning etc.. (depending on the context it can mean quite a few things).

As a translator, sometimes you have to word things in such a way that's going to make sense in english. Although someone who speaks Japanese would think the previous translation made more sense, people who don't might be finding it difficult to follow the more literate translations, which is why I had to find a way to make this chapter make more sense. The first translation was more rough and my translations are usually not like that when I'm done with them. I was trying to make the conversations flow better in the second one. People were complaining about the first and I have heard many people say they found this version much clearer (aside from the mistakes that I would change if I could).

Our team has learned our lesson. We just got super hyped to get the chapter out to the point that quality kind of went out the window. Next time, we're going to have a different process and I'm familiarizing myself with the characters speech patterns again so this doesn't happen again. I was stressed out from my uni work, exhausted from no sleep and other things in my life as well as trying to pump the chapter out that I ended up doing a crappy job. It won't happen again and I'll make sure of it.

Sorry guys about all this. I might ask if we could possibly put a note up for the next chapter explaining the mistakes, but we're all kind of just over this chapter at this point so no guarantees ):

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Sorry guys about all this. I might ask if we could possible put a note up for the next chapter explaining the mistakes, but we're all kind of just over this chapter at this point so guarantees ):

From my POV: no worries. Just thanks for all your work, and an extra thanks for making the effort to clarify things.

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joined Nov 21, 2020

Sorry guys about all this. I might ask if we could possible put a note up for the next chapter explaining the mistakes, but we're all kind of just over this chapter at this point so guarantees ):

From my POV: no worries. Just thanks for all your work, and an extra thanks for making the effort to clarify things.

All good, thank you for your POV (:
I added some more clarification about what Matsuri said on the last page to my message if you want to check that out ^^

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I can read the raws as well, Matsuri always speaks formally (Keigo), so the drop of honorifics on previous chaps bothered me, that's why I'm actually glad you guys kept the formalities (senpai) this time. Some context particularly on the bridge scene is indeed confusing, so I also don't blame the translators for those minor mistakes. And even if you guys fix it again, some people will still complain lmaoo xD
Thank you so much CT, I really appreciate your dedication, hardwork and great credits~<3

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I can read the raws as well, Matsuri always speaks formally (Keigo), so the drop of honorifics on previous chaps bothered me, that's why I'm actually glad you guys kept the formalities (senpai) this time. Some context particularly on the bridge scene is indeed confusing, so I also don't blame the translators for those minor mistakes. And even if you guys fix it again, some people will still complain lmaoo xD
Thank you so much CT, I really appreciate your dedication, hardwork and great credits~<3

Yes, I've heard many people who speak and read Japanese found the context on the bridge scene quite confusing. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I feel this is a fault of Sabu, I love her but it was confusing!
Thank you very much for your kind words <3

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Sorry guys about all this. I might ask if we could possible put a note up for the next chapter explaining the mistakes, but we're all kind of just over this chapter at this point so no guarantees ):

I understand your struggles, Japanese is a difficult language, it is even more difficult for someone who’s not lived in Japan.

Just to note, I’m not native Japanese, it’s just that what I studied in Japan, and my major happens to fall in line with reading and understanding the character.
S of a story. To put in frankly, I was in Seiyuu school, vocation major in voice acting. My understanding of the language and character study had to go beyond and above that of the normal consensus. And it’s carried over to whenever I read Manga...

I read out the characters in my head and I imagine them actually speaking when I see words. And I tend to forget that not everyone has my experience in character study... and exposure to the language

I apologise for being so harsh.

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joined Oct 21, 2017

Sorry guys about all this. I might ask if we could possible put a note up for the next chapter explaining the mistakes, but we're all kind of just over this chapter at this point so guarantees ):

From my POV: no worries. Just thanks for all your work, and an extra thanks for making the effort to clarify things.

& From my POV: there's nothing to worry about, we all make mistakes some times. and thanks for all your hard work & dedication.

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joined Nov 21, 2020

Sorry guys about all this. I might ask if we could possible put a note up for the next chapter explaining the mistakes, but we're all kind of just over this chapter at this point so no guarantees ):

I understand your struggles, Japanese is a difficult language, it is even more difficult for someone who’s not lived in Japan.

Just to note, I’m not native Japanese, it’s just that what I studied in Japan, and my major happens to fall in line with reading and understanding the character.
S of a story. To put in frankly, I was in Seiyuu school, vocation major in voice acting. My understanding of the language and character study had to go beyond and above that of the normal consensus. And it’s carried over to whenever I read Manga...

I read out the characters in my head and I imagine them actually speaking when I see words. And I tend to forget that not everyone has my experience in character study... and exposure to the language

I apologise for being so harsh.

Hey it's okay, no heart feelings at all. I totally understand where you're coming from and I think it's pretty impressive to have a vocation major in voicing acting for Japanese under your belt. I can only dream of that. Because I don't live in Japan and have never even visited (I would but I'm quite poor, only just turning 20, in university and a bunch of other reasons) I make up for it with what I can by surrounding myself with Japanese media, conversations and just completely inversing myself in the language so that when I do eventually go to Japan there will be a sense of familiarity in some way or another.

Thank you for your kind and thoughtful response <3

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Welp... there it is... I sure hope this is only a kiss and not a beginning to something.

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page 109 is replaced or it would eternally haunt me

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Look, I get it. A story that goes from “A couple of hotties can’t keep their hands off each other” and then morphs into “A couple of Good Girls blush and stutter when looking at each other from across the room” apparently meets the requirements of many readers.

Except that it didn't. Citrus+ is not the same story, it may be in the same continuity, but it is quite deliberately a spin-off: a different story with a different tone, a different pace and different focus.

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Look, I get it. A story that goes from “A couple of hotties can’t keep their hands off each other” and then morphs into “A couple of Good Girls blush and stutter when looking at each other from across the room” apparently meets the requirements of many readers.

Except that it didn't. Citrus+ is not the same story, it may be in the same continuity, but it is quite deliberately a spin-off: a different story with a different tone, a different pace and different focus.

Of course, this is just mincing words.

Your description is accurate (as far as it goes) and so is mine--they're the same characters in the two series, with the same past, and the same motivations, and the same development, existing in the same setting. The later series may be a spinoff with a different focus than the first, but these are not "different" characters--they're characters who have been continuous from Citrus, Chapter 1 to Citrus +, Volume 3.

Nothing in Citrus + suggests that anything in Citrus has been retconned, rendered non-canonical, or declared null and void.

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Look, I get it. A story that goes from “A couple of hotties can’t keep their hands off each other” and then morphs into “A couple of Good Girls blush and stutter when looking at each other from across the room” apparently meets the requirements of many readers.

Except that it didn't. Citrus+ is not the same story, it may be in the same continuity, but it is quite deliberately a spin-off: a different story with a different tone, a different pace and different focus.

Of course, this is just mincing words.

Your description is accurate (as far as it goes) and so is mine--they're the same characters in the two series, with the same past, and the same motivations, and the same development, existing in the same setting. The later series may be a spinoff with a different focus than the first, but these are not "different" characters--they're characters who have been continuous from Citrus, Chapter 1 to Citrus +, Volume 3.

Nothing in Citrus + suggests that anything in Citrus has been retconned, rendered non-canonical, or declared null and void.

Just to be clear there are two domains here - storytelling tools, things like symbolism, structure, emphasis and manipulating tension for reader engagement (dramatic "pulse", 4 act narrative etc). Then there are storyworld elements such as characters and plots.

These of course all are author choices (and aren't entirely independent), but there is also authorial choice in how they are combined into the story, how storyworld elements filled into the dramatic tools and tools are used to bring the storyworld elements to the readers.

You can take the same dramatic form and plug in different worlds/characters/plots, and you can take the same words/characters and put them in different dramatic forms. Even with the same form and world you can still vary how the two sets relate focusing in different characters or plots even in the same style of story on the same events. The same characters can be used in very different ways in different stories, giving different perspectives on them, while still being very much the same.

If Citrus had been told from Mei's pov, there would have been more of an emphasis on Yuzu as a mysterious stubborn "driver".

In the original Citrus the rollercoaster of Yuzu and Mei's relationship was both the main long run plot focus and the main engine for episodic drama. As part of that dramatic engine, it was inevitable that Mei would be a "driver" in this context.

In Citrus+ the fact of their relationship is established. Although the growth their relationship is a recurring theme, it is most definitely not the dramatic pulse driving reader engagement scene by scene - it is a slow linear series arc (and cute couple-ey fanservice). Episodic drama is coming from side story plots involving supporting characters, Yuzu and Mei's "driving" will be mainly though their interaction with these characters.

Furthermore while Citrus was "Drama max" condensing the dramatic incidents and including many time skips, Citrus+ is slow slice of life with drama highlights. The entire run of the series to date (and how long Y&M have been back together) is from May 27-July 1, little over a month. I've had dirty dishes on my sink longer than that. Y&M are taking it slow for a reason; that urgent "sexy" edge in scenes from Citrus was grounded in insecurity and desperation - not a vibe either character would be eager to revisit.

I feel like that in insisting on the sameness between Citrus and Citrus+ you are missing the storytelling pluralism (in general your seeming insistence that there is only one right way to tell a story), and the potential for character evolution. With the switch to the new story, not only has Saburouta re-dealt the way she is using story elements in the storytelling, she has switched to an entirely different form.

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Look, I get it. A story that goes from “A couple of hotties can’t keep their hands off each other” and then morphs into “A couple of Good Girls blush and stutter when looking at each other from across the room” apparently meets the requirements of many readers.

Except that it didn't. Citrus+ is not the same story, it may be in the same continuity, but it is quite deliberately a spin-off: a different story with a different tone, a different pace and different focus.

Of course, this is just mincing words.

Your description is accurate (as far as it goes) and so is mine--they're the same characters in the two series, with the same past, and the same motivations, and the same development, existing in the same setting. The later series may be a spinoff with a different focus than the first, but these are not "different" characters--they're characters who have been continuous from Citrus, Chapter 1 to Citrus +, Volume 3.

Nothing in Citrus + suggests that anything in Citrus has been retconned, rendered non-canonical, or declared null and void.

Double reply, since it occurred to me that I could perhaps have continued this thread in a much more succinct way:

Are you saying that your objections to Citrus+, rather than rather than problems with it as it is, actually boil down to the fact that it just isn't the spin-off direction that you wanted?

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little over a month. I've had dirty dishes on my sink longer than that

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circamore, you do so much projecting and speculating about my motivations that there’s really no point in me trying to clarify each of your individual misapprehensions one by one. (Your juvenile canard that I think “there is only one right way to tell a story” most of all.)

I think I’m a pretty clear writer, and I’ve already said what I have to say here.

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circamore, you do so much projecting and speculating about my motivations that there’s really no point in me trying to clarify each of your individual misapprehensions one by one. (Your juvenile canard that I think “there is only one right way to tell a story” most of all.)

I think I’m a pretty clear writer, and I’ve already said what I have to say here.

Don't worry, your opinion of your own writing and critical skills is abundantly clear.

Once again I regret trying to engage, but take comfort in not being the only one who finds your meaning obscure.

I admit that my first response was cumbersome, but I think by second one was pretty simple.

afaics you have conceded the issue is not one of character or plot consistency, but in the way the characters are being used in the storytelling mechanics, and in the focus and tone of the story that is being told.
But these are consequences of the sort of story Citrus+ is.

So that simple question stands - are you criticizing Citrus+ as the story it is, or for failing to be the different story you wish Saburouta had written instead?

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So that simple question stands - are you criticizing Citrus+ as the story it is, or for failing to be the different story you wish Saburouta had written instead?

Both. (This is my opinion—my “subjective reaction,” if you will, so of course others will disagree):

  • Mei used to be an interesting, complex, and forceful character.

  • Now she is (with some rare exceptions) a boring cringing ninny.

I am criticizing Citrus+ for featuring Mei as a boring cringing ninny.

I wish Saburouta had written a different story in which Mei had remained an interesting, complex, and forceful character.

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circamore, you do so much projecting and speculating about my motivations that there’s really no point in me trying to clarify each of your individual misapprehensions one by one. (Your juvenile canard that I think “there is only one right way to tell a story” most of all.)

I think I’m a pretty clear writer, and I’ve already said what I have to say here.

I admit that presenting guessed positions is not "option A" for constructive engagement. It is a fallback when you suspect you have missed the other party's point, and are trying to elicit clarification, by presenting options for what you think was being communicated. Because of the asynchronous nature of forum posting I also sometimes (often? usually?) get ahead of myself and "save time" by incorporating counter points (and snark) along with the guessed positions. It is a bad habit, but at least that way I get some sort of satisfaction/mental stimulation out of it (maybe on some level I've given up on getting an actual response).

tbh I'm still not sure whether you feel Mei's actions are internally consistent or not. My best guess at this time is that your dissatisfaction is actually down to what most people would call personal "taste" (in the preference sense, not the good/bad one).

btw I very specifically said "seeming" on the "only one way" thing - a subjective emotional impression, not an assertion of fact.... but it occurs to me anything more I could say on this would probably make it worse.

edit: I left this one sitting for a really long time while I mulled it over, and ended up actually overlapping a later Blastaar post that clarified things a bit.. but it is getting late here, so I won't stay up to get into that right now.

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Considering up that it is getting obvious that the focus is no longer so heavily focused on the main couple, I don’t understand why people are arguing about what Mei should be. Saburouta is simply keeping her appearance minor to the plot as much as possible. In all effect, the story between Yuzu and Mei is DONE. Anything between them in Citrus+ is just filler to flesh out the context and set the stage for the development of the other characters and new characters that may be introduced in the future. If you’re a fan of the main two or either of them and don’t care for the side characters, Citrus+ is not going to be your cup of tea and possibly even a disappointment to you.

To be honest, after reading through Citrus for the 3rd time to refresh myself on the plot, I’ve quite honestly gotten sick of the main two and am personally glad the focus is shifting off of them. Honestly Matsuri and Harumin are pretty much the main reasons I continue to read Citrus, and Nene is literally just for Comic relief but she’s fun to have around...

What I’d REALLY love to see is Matsuri getting jealous of Yuzu for being with Harumin all the time and then accidentally bursting out at Nene unintentionally which will lead to another Matsuri growth arc... hopefully...

And this is probably just me, but more of Mitsuko wouldn’t hurt either hehehe

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joined Jun 25, 2019

Anything between them in Citrus+ is just filler to flesh out the context and set the stage for the development of the other characters and new characters that may be introduced in the future

DId i remember incorrectly or was Citrus + about was about Mei and Yuzu and what hppen between them during the period between proposal and marriage ? I will be honest, i don't care about the 2 new characters because well, they wasn't in the original and serve no real purpose.

If you’re a fan of the main two or either of them and don’t care for the side characters, Citrus+ is not going to be your cup of tea and possibly even a disappointment to you.

Implying people wasn't already dissapointed by Citrus enough to wait anything for Citrus +.

What I’d REALLY love to see is Matsuri getting jealous of Yuzu for being with Harumin all the time and then accidentally bursting out at Nene unintentionally which will lead to another Matsuri growth arc... hopefully...

Rofl, it's like that's the last thing it can happen. That will make Matsuri so stupid given she already been by told by Harumin herself that she doesn't have any feelings for Yuzu and in fact it was Masturi who had feelings for Yuzu.

And this is probably just me, but more of Mitsuko wouldn’t hurt either hehehe

Literally who ?

I don’t understand why people are arguing about what Mei should be

Cause she is still a main character maybe ? Twist it like you want but she is with Yuzu the MCs not Harumi/Matsuri and even with less apperance doesn't mean Sabu can write her like she want.

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So that simple question stands - are you criticizing Citrus+ as the story it is, or for failing to be the different story you wish Saburouta had written instead?

Both. (This is my opinion—my “subjective reaction,” if you will, so of course others will disagree):

  • Mei used to be an interesting, complex, and forceful character.

  • Now she is (with some rare exceptions) a boring cringing ninny.

I am criticizing Citrus+ for featuring Mei as a boring cringing ninny.

I wish Saburouta had written a different story in which Mei had remained an interesting, complex, and forceful character.

I mean, yeah if you are saying that Mei's non-entity status is purely a subjective impression (as opposed to just the reaction to it being subjective), there isn't much I can say. You feel what you feel.

Others have outlined specific story events that give them a different impression, I don't need to repeat that. I will note that I think what I was saying in the shift in writing style might have contributed to such an impression - both the time line effect diluting the action (18 chapters/only 5 weeks), and the change in dramatic focus reducing the emphasis on the actions that Mei does make (compounded by Mei becoming more well-adjusted, reducing her intrinsic drama intensity).

I can't see how all of that could be changed without being a fundamentally different story... hence my comments along that line.

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Sigh... It’s kinda sad that so much has been lost in translation or not translated and shared with the overseas fanbase that few people actually realise that Saburouta has been pairing Matsuri and Harumin rather intentionally both in cannon and even in non cannon images and random official artwork and one shots, like birthday greetings and holiday 4 komas, not to mention drama CDs and radio drama.

Hey Lilliwyt, maybe do something about your spelling and language before lecturing me. True, Citrus+ is about the time BETWEEN the engagement and marriage, but honestly, we already know they’re gonna get married, there’s already an end game. Watching those two flirt with each other for however many volumes is honestly not that entertaining, and from an author’s perspective, will run out of stuff to write about after a few chapters, there really is only so much you can do to expand on an already established couple. That’s why most series only have the characters get together at the end. While slightly different, This goal was completed in the final volume of Citrus. Tbh there’s really nothing much to expand on for Yuzu and Mei anymore. Create another drama that would threaten to tear them apart again? That gets old after the 2nd attempt. Sure they are the main characters of Citrus, but they aren’t the only two characters with a pivotal role in the cast lol. If you can’t see that, then either you haven’t been paying attention or are selectively reading, or, judging from your comment that there might be a language barrier?

If I were an author writing a spin-off sequel for an already completed series, I would be shifting the focus away from the main cast and start to focus on expanding the universe and the side characters instead while keeping the main cast within peripheral view. Honestly, the side character cast has much room for expansion, especially Nene and Mitsuko. Heck even the new characters, Sayaka and Miyabi. How will their roles in the story affect Matsuri after Harumin and Yuzu graduate? They were introduced to the series for a reason, it can’t just be that arc. But that arc leads up to the current Matsuri arc, so it was pivotal in its role to propel us to this chapter.

After all, let’s be frank, in the end the side characters and pairings are always more interesting than the main couple. This has been the same for almost all the romance anime’s and mangas, even doujins I’ve seen and read. Shoujo, shounen, even Yuri.

Citrus was satisfying imo, it ended well, even though the end felt a bit rushed. My disappointment in the series was about the lack of development in the side cast and that is what I’m reading Citrus+ for. But hey, it was only 10 volumes, couldn’t really expect too much. I’m hoping to see more development of the universe of Citrus in general in the ‘sequel’, though I’ve honestly had enough of Yuzu and Mei, I understand they’re pivotal for plot progression.

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Just FYI, I’ve scrutinised every detail, every panel, and the nuances of every conversation. I’m not just shipping Harumin and Matsuri together on a whim. Nor was the ‘Matsuri getting jealous’ thought just something random I came up with. Harumin does have feelings for Yuzu. Just because the mouth forms words to deny it doesn’t mean those feelings didn’t exist.

Plus Harumin did confess to Yuzu, but chickened out and added ‘as a best friend’ at the end to not make it awkward. Yuzu had already fallen off her seat in shock at Harumin’s ‘confession’, so she changed it at the last moment. However, Matsuri can see through straight through her to something she’s been trying to deny to herself for so long.

That’s why Harumin shuts her down fast and hard every time she brings it up. However she doesn’t do that with Nene and just brushes off or ignores her shipping fantasies cuz Nene simply ships it with no intent. But she is aware of how perceptive Matsuri is, that’s why she says that ‘Matsuri gets to her’ cuz it feels like Matsuri can see straight through her to things that she tries so desperately to keep hidden.

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joined Jun 25, 2019

Plus Harumin did confess to Yuzu, but chickened out and added ‘as a best friend’ at the end to not make it awkward. Yuzu had already fallen off her seat in shock at Harumin’s ‘confession’, so she changed it at the last moment

That's just a way to interpret it honestly and not the best one to be honest.You say that you have scruted every detail but where isthe backup on saying she chickened out ? Harumin has barely showing any romantics feelings toward Yuzu period, hell she has barely shown those feelings for anybody. Sorry but i can't buy the "Harumin was serious with her confession" thing without any real proof.

Hey Lilliwyt, maybe do something about your spelling and language before lecturing me.

That's a dumb way to start an argument btw. I don't write that bad for you to not understand what i'm saying.Also English is not my native language and is not something i practise daily.

Create another drama that would threaten to tear them apart again?

Like having comfy and wholesome moments is not an option. It will have been a better change of pace rather than going for another round of dramas but on side characters.

Honestly, the side character cast has much room for expansion, especially Nene and Mitsuko. Heck even the new characters, Sayaka and Miyabi. How will their roles in the story affect Matsuri after Harumin and Yuzu graduate?

I couldn't care less about Nene and Mitsuko honestly. Nene is a joke character about the whole HaruYuzu ship and Mitsuko really ? She barely exist outside of her arc (which ironicaly was the same as Nene). Honestly, you're the first one i see caring Nene or Mitsuko. We clearly not on the same page here.

PS : Also you're speaking to someone who is not a huge fan of Harumin as a character so i might probably be biased but frankly not that much.

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