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joined Apr 2, 2023

There’s always the story left in the code/ditched/unused rare route that still exists but is either not playable in the game or only unlocked if you do something like go into the forbidden room etc. If anything it’s conventional in these stories for them to be surprised by a game element despite having played hundreds of hours. Natori was normally locked in on the hero character pov right? The goal of the game wasn’t saving the villain’s life so there if there was extra plot hiding in there her different choices this run could unlock it.

Charon-sml
joined Feb 14, 2016

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

You know, as fascinating as the theory of a sister switcheroo is, I don't think it works well with the setting of the story of this being a game Natori obsessively played and knew all of its tricks and secrets. For a huge fan as Natori, she should know well of a twist that big.

My main reason for disagreeing is that the plot here is obviously different from the game (as synopsized by Natori) from day one, tied specifically to actions taken by Lapis, specifically the summoning. If one of the reasons for this is that Lapis is secretly a different person with (potentially) distinct magic ability, then we square the circle on why only some of the story seems to match up so far.

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joined Aug 11, 2022

Lapis being secretly the little sister (Adopted commoner little sis/ Aurora) would be an amusing idea....But that would play into question....Lapis show absolutely no signs of being able to predict the future though...It's a interesting an amusing 'THEORY/hypothesis' but to me seems a bit unlikely to me...It is 'possible' Theory. Wonder which person came up with the theory though since some people seem to be like this theory and think this theory is 'likely possible' instead of just a possibility.

Though that theory would only work assuming Lapis was actually the one with the future sight instead of the OP magic talent/potential....(The adopted sis was actually the OP powerful talented instead of future sight and Lapis actually weak in magic but had future sight...Magic potential seems something your born with and seems hard to train to increase even with intense training and effort so unless Aurora had both future sight and OP talent or just OP magic talent? Perhaps Lapis had future sight and OP magic potential as well?). Then again this so-called theory could be possible if MC was playing the Gacha game version showing that that Lapis (Real Lapis survive) and that isekai world she was transported into was the world version where Lapis (Aurora survive but pretend to be Lapis).
This is also assuming the father/ Lapis father would even agree to the fking idea of his adopted daughter pretending to be his real blood daughter to avoid the Anti-nobles feeling a sense of victory for their assassination attempt or etc.

PLUS+++....You also have to remember cat boy capture target mind reading ability here...Cat boy from chapter 9 mind reading ability might not be a perfect 100% accurately read everything in your brain...but he can scan and see a lot of images and memories, he saw a lot of Gacha event images from MC's event and he was a bit confused what they meant. Either Lapis (Aurora) was a very skilled actor or Cat boy's mind reading powers is not that good (Can only see into surface memories of few weeks or what they are thinking right now).

[LIST OF DETAILS AND FACTORS TO CONSIDER from various chapters (You have to factor in the butterfly effect of MC existence and actions subtly changing the story here.)]

That would be Truly ironically...That the adopted commoner little sister hates commoners so much that she wants to kill every single commoner in the Anti-noble fraction despite being a commoner herself (Chapter 2- Lapis comment about the commoner being barbaric savages and asking MC if she was a former noble or something as Lapis has a minor flash back to herself + Lil sis///Also that fking innocent kind smile lol...Lapis good actor that fooled the entire player base of the gacha game).

The Gacha game where Lapis tricked all the players into thinking she was a kind hearted girl to the [PLAYER character] but was actually the villainess/final boss of the game.

Chapter 1 events changed slightly due to MC being summon instead of Lapis' normal summon creature (Though I wonder what exactly was Lapis' original normal summon creature instead of the MC....In chapter 2 it shows seem to be a strong demon black dragon?). Lapis stopping the fire burst out/having time to notice the warning signs from the protagonist due to being finished with her summon her 3 OP dragons and people not making a fuss/trouble about MC being summon. There is a possible sentence/comment in chapter 1 that might point/aid in the Lapis is actually Aurora 'Theory' but it could also be a false flag and totally just something said due to pride. Point and digital cookies to people who might remember which page lol.

Chapter 3 (Event changed, after familiar battle, Lapis praised Diana as your power is wonderful but thanks to MC action
Lapis never got to say those words and Diana realizing her magic power could hurt other humans/people, start of Diana's crush and affection towards MC start here.)

Chapter 4 (Meeting with prince, end of Gacha game chapter 1 prologue [20 min play time final scene of chapter 1] but it took about 1 month to get to this scene IRL for MC after isekai./// CHAPTER 4- lapis comment to MC is giving strong vibes that she is the original Lapis...But that could also be a fail flag too and she might actually be Aurora in reality...Seem unlikely but anything is possible....Unlikely theory [To me and other people] but possible. Then that fking comment again I see...Could be pride, coping mechanism like "I am batman" or could be sign that theory is very possible? Anything is possible. )

Chapter 8 (Prince and Lapis first meeting, Lapis here seem to have same hairstyle and height as shown in flashback with her little sis...So unless little sister had a shown growth spur that is one point against the Aurora is pretending to be Lapis' theory....Though that could also be misleading and misremembering from Prince's memories....And basically fking lying to the prince and member of royalty with Lapis' father consent...Prince shows no signs of knowing that Lapis is actually Aurora theory though?)

Chapter 9. VINO!!! Lapis' spy that is gathering information from the commners and nobles for Lapis....Vino is very disgusted and afraid of Lapis and despite the possible multiple times he likely read Lapis memories...Doesn't seem to be any signs that Vino knows about Lapis possibly being Aurora...Just that Lapis intends to kill a lot of Commoners in the Anti-noble fraction... (Not just kill some to protect her family and people amount....Full blown Annhilation type that scares him which is understandable for revenge...)

Chapter 10 interaction with Lapis father and her...Dammit kind of Sus and point for the Lapis might be Aurora theory though I admit....but could also be just tense strain relationship where Lapis drifted apart due to the death of Aurora/ adopted little sis...

Rebeus is a Sh*t-head, but eh whatever a useful pawn for Lapis. He thought he is so clever and smart but eh he is just dancing in Lapis' palm without knowing when he tried to manipulate Lapis (Chapter 15-16).

Chapter 17 (Hmmm...Possible clue or just false flag, not enough information from that minor flashback scene. Not detail enough image/picture from that flashback.)

Like I said...The theory is 'possible (More than 10% but less then 30% chance max in my opinion)' but the chances of Lapis (Lapis is just actually the 'real Lapis') is also true since Revenge for her adopted little sister's death is a valid and strong motivator for revenge as well.

Surprise(2)
joined Jun 17, 2021

Gosh, I'm so glad Diana didn't go down a creepy route.

Dark_Tzitzimine
67763073_p3
joined Dec 18, 2013

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

You know, as fascinating as the theory of a sister switcheroo is, I don't think it works well with the setting of the story of this being a game Natori obsessively played and knew all of its tricks and secrets. For a huge fan as Natori, she should know well of a twist that big.

My main reason for disagreeing is that the plot here is obviously different from the game (as synopsized by Natori) from day one, tied specifically to actions taken by Lapis, specifically the summoning. If one of the reasons for this is that Lapis is secretly a different person with (potentially) distinct magic ability, then we square the circle on why only some of the story seems to match up so far.

The game is forcing itself to fix the story by reacting to Natori's intervention, though. That's why Rubeus became a proper character instead of the random NPC that didn't even have a portrait that Natori knew.

Narrow Escape
joined Jun 8, 2022

I still disagree there's a magical plot railroading force at play here like in PBMMV where it's a central plot point, because I've yet to see anything driving the plot toward its original path besides the characters themselves. Lapis is (increasingly falteringly) committed to her path, and Rubeus having a face and personality doesn't strike me as a glaring red flag of anything but the original game having inherent limitations in its presentation that actually inhabiting the world is going to lack.

Dark_Tzitzimine
67763073_p3
joined Dec 18, 2013

Rubeus' addition triggered the entire arc of "turning Diana into a villain" that was absent in the original game, with the sole goal of ensuring the conflict between Diana and Lapis that would lead to Gran and Diana slaying Lapis at the end.

Narrow Escape
joined Jun 8, 2022

Think this is agree to disagree territory.

My thinking is that Rubeus has always been there, always had a face, and always was like this. The game, which was from the protagonist's point of view, never saw him as important because he never had to step into the spotlight, and it did not have an omniscient view of events. He had his prince abducted as a child to get him to cease unseemly behaviours and get back on the 'right' track.

The 'turning Diana into a villain' bit is more of the same, in response to changes caused by the office lady mucking things up in his point of view.

Basically, I see it as Rubeus trying to railroad Gran, and incidentally the game's plot. Where you see it as the 'story' inventing Rubeus to railroad the plot, and incidentally Gran.

543633_50
joined Sep 10, 2022

I don't think this story is very focused on game logic. The games background seems more for setting than anything else. This series hasn't been like other isekai like "Please Bully Me Miss Villainess." It doesn't spend much time on that game logic stuff and we get nearly no mentions of systems beyond the typical isekai basics. I view this as a fantasy series with an MC who has future insight; so I also don't expect any mystical force governing things and I think that would be odd tonally at this point. The rest just seems to be the politics of the situation. I just realized someone else mentioned PBMMV too.

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Dark_Tzitzimine
67763073_p3
joined Dec 18, 2013

I never said that Rubeus was invented, I said that he was bumped from faceless NPC to major character in response to Natori's actions to save Lapis. And the whole argument was not about game mechanics or logic, but me thinking that the theory of a sister switch would be something Natori knows beforehand, something that doesn't mesh with the way the writing has been going so far.

That said, we can't ignore that Natori's cover story hinges precisely on her deep knowledge about the game.

Fullscreen-capture-12182018-71441-pm
joined Jun 30, 2025

Spoiler about Chapter 29 :

Chapter 29 gives us more details about how Lapis and Aurora met. Even if you can't read Japanese, which is my case, it's not too hard to understand how it happened.

Pay attention to the eyes.

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Dark_Tzitzimine
67763073_p3
joined Dec 18, 2013

Spoiler about Chapter 29 :

Chapter 29 gives us more details about how Lapis and Aurora met. Even if you can't read Japanese, which is my case, it's not too hard to understand how it happened.

Pay attention to the eyes.

Well, then.

I guess I'll have to eat my words soon, although that reveal leaves so many more questions than answers.

1pixel
joined Dec 3, 2010

This is tearing me up a little
I mean Natalie san she would like to keep serving Lapis sama..
The story starts bringing some feels into it

That..ಥ⁠‿⁠ಥ

And since I have small little brain, I think I'll just believe something simple like "Aurora san passed away so Lapis sama just wants to have her revenge, that's all"

There, keep it simple,haha.

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Angel%20and%20pup%20(1)
joined Apr 19, 2025

I think I just felt my heart break in a million pieces :)

joined May 10, 2021

Right, it was all good with the huge amount of blushing, until my heart shattered :')

Gc-zrruayaa9zh1
joined May 15, 2024

Who just stabbed me in the heart :(

Lsj
joined Nov 7, 2018

NOOOOO
IT WAS JUST ONE SLIP-UP, JUST ONEEEE

AUTHOR YOU EVIL, EVIL THING

AHHHHH

joined Mar 23, 2022

I can't believe I managed to squeal and then scream in agony in this chapter. T-T. Putting a low-key confession from natori and then break up relationship between them is soooo mean of you dear author. ToT....

joined Mar 23, 2022

The feeling of having your paycheck and then spent it all at the same day.

joined Mar 23, 2022

She is letting her go because she is too important now for lapiz. UWU. let's hope she can do something to save lapizzz. T-T

joined Jul 14, 2025

Classic wlw couple breaking up before even starting dating...

Bf020ca0f35f16540090ec38a160712e
joined Mar 21, 2018

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

9286787ab50153acb27cd03b385edb3d949d719e0b569799723637ee189d1f4b_1-1
joined Aug 14, 2020

In one swift move we went from "OMG IT'S HAPPENING YESSSSSSSS" to "Aw shit, here we go again."

Icon_tinyrain
joined Jan 30, 2017

No not my power couple!

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joined Sep 19, 2021

Wow, just wow... I guess we're getting into the main thing? Man how will they resolve this shit.

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