I'm not familiar with the Philipines history to say something about ti so I'll take your word for it, but I don't think this has anything to do with "American culture war slop", is merely about coming to terms with the story of our own countries and strive to be better. I don't think that holding on to a grudge for something that happened centuries ago and is impossible to change is the way to do it, especially when there are more urgent issues happening right now that we can do something about.

That said, I'm always thrilled to see the history of Mexico acknowledged by foreigners, both the good and the bad, because ultimately, we are defined by the sum of our parts.

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@Donkey Kong

They’re just edgelords lol

And more reason why they shouldn't given more attention than we already have.

yet you’re implying they’re racist cuz of their ethnicity

You missed the part where it's my own observation based on the comics Khyle and Centurii posted. Khyle got banned on German Twitter for posting a "joke" art about Auschwitz on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, that among his many infamous works. Centurii repeatedly posted comics about the N-word.

This is not at all surprising to me given how Philippines has a severe lack of education on the gravity of many atrocities in history. This is not my observation alone, I'm pretty much echoing the same sentiment from an r/Philippines post about Khyle's ban. I also experienced this very ignorance first hand from the people around me offline and online. Casual racism is very rampart here, which is why it's so easy for teenage boys my age especially to get sucked into American culture war RW slop.

Like many others, I had to unlearn all the casual racism I was influenced to growing up. Through the internet, I got to learn many different cultures and interact with people from so many backgrounds. Which is why it's very unfortunate that the internet also pulled people my age into a completely different direction. You have no idea how many people I know in college who think that saying the N-word is funny, on top of all the casual racism. That's what Centurii's comics about it remind me of and learning that they're also Filipino made me think "Ahhh, that makes even more sense now. They're just like that boy in my class".

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As another latino user, I don't think anyone needs to chill and be fine with this or her. There are ways of acknowledging cultural and ethnic diversity that isn't, again, making light of the rape of very real people who are to this day still being raped and killed and having their home destroyed. It's not a grudge from ages ago, it's what is currently happening. I don't find it funny either to be making the actions of the British Empire cute, especially when I'm not the one directly living through its consequences in this case, even if they had a presence in the history of my own country.

That's why to us Filipinos whose brains weren't fucked by American culture war slop, Centurii's comic comes off as disgusting and offensive.

Yeah, I'm brazilian, so it was the portuguese who colonized my country, but we are taught about the colonization of the Americas as a whole (Could have been my school, but also some of the presence of Spain and Portugal in Asia) and knowing what has happened to the people they've come in contact with makes it very hard to find any of this funny.

That's what Centurii's comics about it remind me of and learning that they're also Filipino made me think "Ahhh, that makes even more sense now. They're just like that boy in my class".

Now that I'm aware of it too, it does make a lot more sense. This shit is internalized and too many become desensitized to it, but as usual, there is something to gain from keeping people ignorant about history. I'm frankly disappointed at the insistence that it's just an edgy joke and not a sign of what the artist thinks, especially because it's not in a completely fictional context and is a display of how a lot of people in countries that were colonized hold those beliefs without question.

I also think you make a good point with your last sentence, that DS as a community doesn't have to give certain artists more attention and visibility.

If ppl still wanna see their artwork tho, feel like they should b able to see stuff that ain’t a problem

If people want to see their artwork they can always join Twitter or use something like Danbooru, no one is stopping them.

(To site administrator, NOT YOU)
As for here in Dynasty, I personally recommend site administrators to stop uploading their new work here. As for images that have already been uploaded, I leave the decision to admins.

... Khyle got banned on German Twitter for posting a "joke" art about Auschwitz on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, that among his many infamous works...

Wow, now that's a great reason to ditch him. Thanks for letting me know.

"Remember that time atrocities were committed? Isn't that just the perfect setting for jokes attempting to downplay the brutality of the situation?"

No.

This isn't the first time centurii-chan has made a racist "joke," see this comic for example. I support at the very least not uploading any of her work here in the future, and probably even deleting all her current images uploaded here, at least until/unless she changes.

Y'all are still going.

I've tried reading all of the convo that has been going on for a while, but by earlier today I have given up on that. I will say, the blacklist them crowd has got me from leaning a bit to leaning a lot into their direction but still. holy shit. The discussion in an unrelated Discord's bad takes thread I'm in about centurii lasted a couple hours at most, how the fuck did y'all stretch it to at least 3 days (I've stopped counting, but if defo feels like around 4)?

I've tried reading all of the convo that has been going on for a while, but by earlier today I have given up on that. I will say, the blacklist them crowd has got me from leaning a bit to leaning a lot into their direction but still.

I recommend not negatively polarizing yourself into supporting a racist creator because you think some of the people who dislike them are annoying.

I feel like you misunderstood what I said. To clarify - the more I've read, the more I agreed with the anti-Centurii side, but the convo overall has gone well beyond the time limit I expected it'd go, at which point, I decided "you know what, I've read enough of this"

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I feel like you misunderstood what I said. To clarify - the more I've read, the more I agreed with the anti-Centurii side, but the convo overall has gone well beyond the time limit I expected it'd go, at which point, I decided "you know what, I've read enough of this"

Damn, sorry about that. I'll delete my post.

The discussion in an unrelated Discord's bad takes thread I'm in about centurii lasted a couple hours at most, how the fuck did y'all stretch it to at least 3 days

Probably because Discord is an Instant Messaging product and Dynasty forum is a forum? In IM it's common to complete an argument quickly because it's almost instantaneous, with messages deivered to the client device automatocally. But forums... I don't think many people would repeatedly refresh a thread only to engage in arguments as quickly as possible.

But anyway I also feel like we're almost at the end of discussion somewhat. Now most of us have already accepted that it's not very likely to get the opponent to agree with me. In the end the final decision is going go be made by Dynasty admin, and we're all just lobbyist groups, lol joking

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Is blacklisting authors reasons besides takedown requests even a thing around here? I've seen (counterfactual?) claims that image uploads sourced from hazardous locations (i.e. overwhelmingly het pornography) do not have a source button which doesn't seem to match the status quo.

I'm for a multitude of reasons opposed to disappearing past images; generally marking sources as offensive could go a long way.

Overall I do wonder how 34802 happened in the first place. Given that it was retracted readily, staff seems to agree it was in bad taste, so why was it uploaded in the first place? Some clerical error where juanelric's link somehow ended up in the "to upload" queue? Did somebody see it and explicitly request it on purpose for the lulz? Some mea culpa and explanation would clear and calm things up and down, respectively.

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Just don’t post the offensive stuff and keep posting stuff like this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this is the easiest and best solution for everyone involved.

Did you look at those examples or did you just threw random stuff under tag ID 19669 (Author: Centurii-chan) in there? Jokes about improvised torture devices from conflicts still in recent memory could be perhaps maybe under circumstances somewhat slightly a little bittle controversial, fortune permitting, couldn't they?

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My browser is behaving weird and not displaying embedded image sometimes, I have no idea what's going on

Those embed images are very likely hotlinked from pbs.twimg.com. This is known behaviour on Firefox and its forks, going back at least 7 years and generally marked as WONTFIX because it's just ETP doing its job. You could take a gamble and mess with the disconnect list, but I strongly advise you against that.

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Khyle got banned on German Twitter

No. This is not how neither German legislation nor the microblogging platform work or ever have worked. Please don't spread easily falsifiable rumours that were at best meant for street cred, but nonetheless play into the victim-complex agenda of the new right, neonazi, russophile and querdenker-movements that try to further dislocate the overton window towards their revisionist morals.

This isn't the first time centurii-chan has made a racist "joke," see this comic for example.

That's the exact post I linked here before that people said is totally about how it would be wrong for her to say that word. Please ignore how receptive she is of replies fuether joking about that slur (though to be fair I hadn't included a link to the original tweet).

Donkey Kong there's various things we're going to have to agree to disagree on. Keeping up the back and forth isn't going to get us anywhere, and I have a feeling the mods are going to come in soon.

It’s not and I know arguing the ethics and whatever of being edgy is pointless, people dont like what the don’t like, I just don’t want Centurii to be blacklisted outright

Edgy jokes? Sure, never post them. Inoffensive jokes or art? Don’t see why they can’t be posted

Though I do need to say that I think you owe Perlen an apology. Perlen stated that they are Filipino and were giving their perspective on Filipino artists, and your comments toward them in that regard have been very rude and all around hostile.

How is what I said hostile in anyway? Just pointing out that they’re making assumptions based on a characteristic the artists can’t change. It’s not fair to judge someone based on generalizations like that.

I’m sorry if it came off as hostile, but I’m not sorry for what I said, cuz when I read their comment, all I get is that “Filipinos can be racist against black people therefore the artists are probably racist and should be taken off the site”

I still think it’s not fair

If ppl still wanna see their artwork tho, feel like they should b able to see stuff that ain’t a problem

If people want to see their artwork they can always join Twitter or use something like Danbooru, no one is stopping them.

If they don’t wanna use those cites then they shouldn’t be forced to move, in the same way you shouldn’t be forced to enjoy edgy content

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@Donkey Kong

They’re just edgelords lol

And more reason why they shouldn't given more attention than we already

Why not? If they make good content and ppl wanna see it, then why not just post the good content and leave the edgy stuff off the site?

yet you’re implying they’re racist cuz of their ethnicity

You missed the part where it's my own observation based on the comics Khyle and Centurii posted. Khyle got banned on German Twitter for posting a "joke" art about Auschwitz on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, that among his many infamous works. Centurii repeatedly posted comics about the N-word.

It’s still an assumption tho. As a black person, I could say that

“Black people can be irrationally aggressive so when a woman accuses a black man of abuse, it’s safe to assume that she’s telling the truth, even if she doesn’t have proof, so let’s punish the man”

It’s not fair to judge someone because of the actions of others in their group. No body chose their birthplace or race, so calling for them to be blacklisted based on that rather than their own actions that add to the idea that “yeah, these artists are definitely racist and not just edgelords” isn’t a fair assessment imo

I’m sure some ppl still wanna see their art on here.

Why not set up a poll or smthn? I’ll be 100% with offensive and edgy ppl getting completely blacklisted if ppl vote in favor of it

Imo the easiest way to compromise (other than just voting on it) is that no more edgy or offensive stuff is posted on here, but non offensive stuff is allowed.

Just don’t post the offensive stuff and keep posting stuff like this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this is the easiest and best solution for everyone involved.

Did you look at those examples or did you just threw random stuff under tag ID 19669 (Author: Centurii-chan) in there? Jokes about improvised torture devices from conflicts still in recent memory could be perhaps maybe under circumstances somewhat slightly a little bittle controversial, fortune permitting, couldn't they?

Point taken, still, Centurii doesn’t only post edgy, offensive, dark humor stuff, (and was that the only one of the bunch that was potentially too much? There’s still a decent catalog of art that’s not pushing it)

The difference between an actual racist and the others is that, if they’re racist against you, only one of them is guaranteed to actually give you trouble (the actual racist) rage baiters bait and shit posters are unserious

This sounds like the sort of analysis i would expect from someone who probably learned history mainly through shitpost comics, yeah

First of all, I don’t take Centurii’s posts seriously nor try and learn through them

Also, why is that a dig? Isn’t ppl getting educated— NOT by taking Centurii’s posts seriously, but by looking up the historical context— a good thing? Why are you framing this like it’s an insult? Education, regardless of what spurred it on, should be a good thing imo

Second of all, am I wrong tho? Racists are always gonna be worse than ppl who make racist jokes.

For me, racist jokes are funny because the act of being racist is something that should be mocked and laughed at.

Racists are usually just uneducated or plain hateful. Why should i take the words of an uneducated person seriously and why should I let the words of someone intending to hurt me, have the effect they want on me?

Anyone who uses slurs, says offensive shit, etc, their intention is to offend and cause harm, and by desensitizing myself to those words and insults, when they are eventually used against me, instead of getting upset, I can:

A. Laugh in their face (which, would be humiliating, I’m sure)
B. Mock them back
C. Stay calm, try to de-escalate or just walk away

And if A/B results in escalation, me being assaulted would be a hate crime, and where I live, hate crimes are taken seriously, so the person being offensive will get fucked.

And I’m NOT saying that people have to/ should be okay with slurs or am I saying that they have to/should become desensitized— obviously, people SHOULDNT be hateful in the first place, but they are.

I don’t want my day to be ruined because of the words of another (unless it’s a threat, that’s a different story), I’d rather laugh than cry, and when it comes to “N word pass” jokes, idc cuz intent to me is what matters the most. If the word is used with the intent to be hateful, that’s racist, but the usage itself, isn’t racist (cuz imo, NO ONE should say the word if intent doesn’t matter, cuz freed black ppl also owned black slaves) + I don’t the word offensive cuz it’s an outdated insult; I know I’m not inferior to any other race, nor am I a slave, so I don’t see why I should find it offensive other than it being because the person saying it wants to offend me (but I don’t wanna give them that satisfaction by getting upset)

And imo, when it comes to the post Centurii made— the response to that post specifically, I think it’s more racist to insinuate (or outright say) that because someone isn’t super dark skinned, they aren’t a real black person or that they don’t “look black” just cuz they’re light skinned, cuz believe it or not, two dark skinned black ppl can give birth to a light skinned baby. The offspring isn’t any less black any a dark skinned person (and it’s laughable that ppl complaining about/offended by what they perceive as a form of racism/racist are actively being racist themselves, but that’s just me)

TL;DR: Making racist/offensive jokes doesn’t mean someone’s trying to be or is a hateful person, jokes can be a coping mechanism (laughter is more enjoyable than crying), a source of comfort (the word no longer has power over me), a way to desensitize a person to hate (the word looses its power, and a day isn’t ruined cuz of someone trying to be rude if you just don’t care)

Also, racists (and assholes in general) like using ppl gettin upset at being called a slur as a “gotcha” moment; “these blacks have no chill” so these kinds of jokes can desensitize people enough to respond appropriately to a real racist trying to offend them— which is why I don’t see these jokes as something harmful, cuz ppl are gonna be racist regardless of whether or not someone makes jokes online, but ppl who consume the jokes, will get desensitized, and as a result won’t have their day ruined if they’re called a racial slur

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But anyway I also feel like we're almost at the end of discussion somewhat. Now most of us have already accepted that it's not very likely to get the opponent to agree with me. In the end the final decision is going go be made by Dynasty admin, and we're all just lobbyist groups, lol joking

This is the last thing I’ll say (prolly not) say:

Why not have a vote?

“If an artist posts content which a user finds offensive or distasteful, should we:

A. Prevent future posts from the artist from being added on to the site (and if it slips in, remove it)
B. Only post inoffensive content from the artist
C. Delete the artist off the site entirely”

Or something to that affect (and maybe add in a D option for people who don’t care (cuz I’m interested in the statistics of it all, D just wouldnt have any affect on the result)

If ppl still wanna see their artwork tho, feel like they should b able to see stuff that ain’t a problem

If people want to see their artwork they can always join Twitter or use something like Danbooru, no one is stopping them.

If they don’t wanna use those cites then they shouldn’t be forced to move, in the same way you shouldn’t be forced to enjoy edgy content

No one is forced to move, stop painting me as a villain, as if I can force anyone to register on a new service or delete an account. All I sugguest is, if some site I use stopped posting an artist/manga I want to see, I just make a quick judgement whether the artist/manga is worth the effort for me to start a new account on another service, or not. We make this kind of judgement everyday, it's just finding compromise, part of everyone's everyday life. Remember when the manga you read on Dynasty was marked as Licensed and never updated again? Do you search for places where you can read the next chapter, or do you just abandon it, thinking it's too troublesome?

We can try to sway each other all we want (and probably the admins here) but in the end there's nothing we can do after changes are committed. All users can do is either adopt or move.

Why not have a vote?

I'd leave that judgement to the admin, too. Unlike democratic governments around the world, private sites don't have to consult the opinion of users to do anything (though that may seem attractive).

If ppl still wanna see their artwork tho, feel like they should b able to see stuff that ain’t a problem

If people want to see their artwork they can always join Twitter or use something like Danbooru, no one is stopping them.

If they don’t wanna use those cites then they shouldn’t be forced to move, in the same way you shouldn’t be forced to enjoy edgy content

No one is forced to move, stop painting me as a villain

I’m not painting YOU as a villain lol, I never said YOU were forcing them

“Force” means to “make (someone) do something against their will.” (Make meaning, “to cause something”)

In this context, if a person DOESNT wanna go on other sites to view an artist’s work and only wants to view it here, blacklisting an artist means that a person can’t view future posts from the artist on this site, which CAUSES them to make one of two choices:

1. Give up on looking at an artist’s posts
2. Grit their teeth an sign in to a cite they don’t like or don’t wanna use cuz they like the artist

Either way, point is, they aren’t given the choice— meaning, it’s against their will— if it was their choice, they’d choose to still view the artist on this site, so by definition, “force” is an accurate word to use

Like, sure, they CAN log in to another site, just like how ppl who don’t like Centurii CAN just ignore the art that’s being posted on here.

In the same way that those ppl DONT want to ignore those posts, some people DONT want to go onto another site— and if someone not wanting to ignore the artist is fine, then someone not wanting to go onto another site to view art should be fine as well, imo

We can try to sway each other all we want (and probably the admins here) but in the end there's nothing we can do after changes are committed. All users can do is either adopt or move.

Why not have a vote?

I'd leave that judgement to the admin, too. Unlike democratic governments around the world, private sites don't have to consult the opinion of users to do anything (though that may seem attractive).

Democracy is a myth! RIP
;n;

In the same way that those ppl DONT want to ignore those posts, some people DONT want to go onto another site— and if someone not wanting to ignore the artist is fine, then someone not wanting to go onto another site to view art should be fine as well, imo

I mean, my main point being, in the end we're all at the whim of admins. No matter how this (or any other controversies) ends, there will be people dissatisfied, and some may even leave the site as a result. And it's just how it works, users and services choosing each other, happens to everyone all the time. Twitter under Jack Dorsey banned realDonaldTrump so right-leaning people defected, Twitter under Elmo banned multiple journalists and reinstated multiple MAGA icons so left-leaning people defected. I used to get angry for having to move, but later I just accepted it. No point in staying at a place that have values that conflict mine.

Unfortunatelly, given the circumstance, it's not likely that "people who don't want to have to ignore paintings of Centurii (and other artists with problematic point of view)" and "people who want to see Centurii's work here" are going to end up with a win-win result, which is expected.

Democracy is a myth!

As I said, democracy is a political system and are mostly used in Governmental systems. People may choose to apply democracy principles to public services (not meaning "public servant" here) they ran but that`s not strictly a necessity.

And (US pol) given the situations unfolding in US I guess you can call some Democracy a lie, indeed(ﾟДﾟ)

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Hello people, just want to contribute on the side of "Centurii doesn't need to be removed from this site". I understand that certain jokes including certain sensitive subject matter can't be on this site, and I don't disagree on that. But to completely remove Centurii off this site, I don't think it should be done. There is a difference between an "edgy" joke and a bigoted joke. A difference between a joke about racism (good or shitty) and a racist joke. I don't think any artist short of a genuine bigot should be removed from this site.

You may think certain topics shouldn't be joked about, that's valid. But me and other people have different tolerances about these things. I am just voicing my opinion on what I deem would be unnecessary censorship, I'm not defending colonization or bigotry or anything like that.

^ One of the problem with allowing "non-offensive artworks" to be posted is, some artists may add dog whistles (coded words) to their artworks and that may slip moderators' eye. Hypothetically, if one artist that has once posted Nazi memes published a new work that seems non-offensive but have 1488 written in the background, how many users and mods can immediately recognize 1488 as neo-nazi slogan (WARNING: neo nazi slogan ahead) "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" (14) and "Heil Hitler" (88)?

If we're to do that, Dynasty moderators are going to be required to open an alt-right glossary reference page to be able to filter bad works out. /half joking

I'd rather this site just take preventative measures and boot whoever have been assholes out. They may keep previous works if deemed not problematic, but that's just my own opinion.

I've given up on this topic since Centurii stans refuse to see her as anything but harmless, I just decided to post one last thing since Donkey Kong refuses to argue in good faith:

Democracy is a myth! RIP
;n;

Democracy is when people are condemned for disliking racism apparently

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^^A person who posts Nazi memes (not to be confused with memes making fun of Nazis) is an actual real bigot. Yea as I said, I agree that such people's works should be removed from this site.

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Democracy is when people are condemned for disliking racism apparently

Making a joke isn’t racism bro. It’s just being edgy

^ One of the problem with allowing "non-offensive artworks" to be posted is, some artists may add dog whistles (coded words) to their artworks and that may slip moderators' eye.

Feel like you would be able to tell if there’s some dark meaning behind the art… like, is there any racist, nazi meaning behind this art? Or how about this one?

Some of Centurii’s posts are super obviously goofy, I feel like a complete blacklist isn’t needed, especially cuz unlike Kyhle, Centurii doesn’t hide Easter eggs in her art— at least, it seems like she doesn’t from what I’ve seen

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