insert clown emote here
Really don't feel that bad for ya, Liz kekek

1. Liz was in shock that Sumire has a kid. Then she told Liz she was a single mother, then she told Liz she has married to the man. Then she told Liz that there really has no feeling between she and the husband. But what made Liza got angry was that Sumire said to her that as if two women can have babies, and lesbian relationship never last. This also implies that Liz should be her mistress.
2. Essentially Sumire denies Liz' sexuality and orientation.
3. Sumire knows that she is Liz' first love. That usually means the love cannot die easily. Sumire knows this, thus using this to manipulate Liz. Maki is no match. First Loves a lot of times are romantized and special, and also someone has a rebound. I am sure a lot of you know how it feels, including me. But what Sumire did finally kill whatever feeling Liz still has for her. Unlike most of you, I think it will take some times, for Maki to understand what is truly going on, and will eventually let Liz back to her life, maybe we will find out in 2041?
4. Maki must have known something, so she tried to slap Sumire. Liz is the one who cheats on her. A person usually will slap the cheating partner, not the "rival". Maki knows full well that slapping Sumire can potentially have her get fired from her company.
   
5. Maki has records of being dumped by others, not the other way around.
   

There are many more points, if you like NTR, go for it.

I must be in the vast minority, because this is one of my favorites. The drama is more like a Shoujo, not a Yuri. As someone who are used to read a lot of Shoujo (not just titles, but serials that has at least 20 tankoubon), this is a normal plot.
I own an entire set of Galette.
Finally Galette is a small Yuri doujin anthology. It is very rare to find the physical copies (I was lucky). Also, they only publish once every 4 months. So it is more like a labor of love for these mangaka. It is the only ongoing Yuri anthology that is not named Yurihime. That is why they ask you to donate to them, the more you donate, the more benefits you can get; Any donors cna get a physical copy, the top VIP gets not just a physical copy, but has the right to ask all the contributing mangakas to sign it for you. (too bad Takemiya Jin no longer submits her stuff there...) Covid does not help them...

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Whoa, it's a good thing Liz has her plan B just waiting around for her.

And... the gender of the spouse? Was it mentioned?

On her blog, she simply said it was an Italian exchange student. On yahoo news it says it's a man, but that's just an assumption. We should wait for pictures (very low chance of that) or a confirmation written by Kitta Izumi to be sure.

I really hope Maki finds someone else. She deserves better

This manga keeps getting funnier and funnier as chapters go on its starting to seem like a tl parody and the fact it isnt makes it even more comedic.

funny how new chapter dropped a few hours after Izumi Kitta announced her marriage lol

Yeah lol I didn't even know it was her birthday. Imagine my face when I found she also got married with an Italian.

And... the gender of the spouse? Was it mentioned?

Does it matter?

And... the gender of the spouse? Was it mentioned?

Does it matter?

At the least, it would effect a generalized-Bayesian updating of probabilities associated with propositions relevant to understanding why she writes as she does.

I personally think Liz really needed that slap in the face before she can move on with life, whethere it's with Maki or not. Because until she got this disillusionment from her first love, she will forever hold Sumire in a pedestal no matter where she is in her life. Now that hopefully that's shattered, she can focus on whatever life she wants to live.
As for Maki, well, she's been allowing Liz to railroad her this entire time.. so..

funny how new chapter dropped a few hours after Izumi Kitta announced her marriage lol

Yeah lol I didn't even know it was her birthday. Imagine my face when I found she also got married with an Italian.

And... the gender of the spouse? Was it mentioned?

Does it matter?

Many people, including me, assumed she was in closet given she's writing a manga about a lesbian singer (whose name suspiciously resemble hers) who had to hide her sexuality for marketing reasons until paparazzi caught her kissing another girl. Personally I don't really care about her sexuality, I just assumed she's a closeted lesbian but I guess I was wrong.

Hi, guys does anyone know any similar Manga to Liberty?

Octave

https://dynasty-scans.com/series/octave

Far better executed than this but it will also make your blood boil with rage.

Also Kimi Koi Limit from the same author.

https://dynasty-scans.com/series/kimi_koi_limit

Far better in every single way and shorter so the angst can't make a dent in your heart.

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Orestes posted:

Far better executed than this but it will also make your blood boil with rage.

Well it didn't mine. I guess it all, giggle, boils down to your opinion on certain plot point and I happen to think it was well executed and justified.

Agreed here—a divisive plot point that I too happen to think is fine.

Also Kimi Koi Limit from the same author.

Same Artist. Momo is doing only art here, there they do art and story and while it's not everyone cup of tea, they're definitely a way more competent writer. Also I heard good argument that maybe the reason Liberty was allowed to continue during covid was more, because Momo is doing art.

I wondered about that too. I also wondered if Momono Moto might not have written, or at least have had significant input into, the first few chapters (aka “the good part”). We at least know that sensei is adept at bringing the drama and the angst in a way that’s not preposterous.

Kitta Izumi 橘田いずみ official blog. Married an Italian while in London studying. Same Day as her birthday.
https://lineblog.me/kitta_izumi/
I am friends with Hitoshi for over 28 years, so I get the news probably slightly faster than the "public".

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Kitta Izumi 橘田いずみ official blog. Married an Italian while in London studying. Same Day as her birthday.
https://lineblog.me/kitta_izumi/

Ha! So when will she announce it was a shotgun wedding :D

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When I think of the author this is what I imagine how she must be like

Also Kimi Koi Limit from the same author.

https://dynasty-scans.com/series/kimi_koi_limit

Far better in every single way and shorter so the angst can't make a dent in your heart.

I hated and hate that vicious story more than any other so far mentioned in comments to Liberty.

Also Kimi Koi Limit from the same author.

https://dynasty-scans.com/series/kimi_koi_limit

Far better in every single way and shorter so the angst can't make a dent in your heart.

I hated and hate that vicious story more than any other so far mentioned in comments to Liberty.

I hated it too, to be honest. And I also hated Octave. For me all these stories (including Liberty) feature main characters who do horrible things and never face any consequences. I hate that kind of stories.

That been said, Liberty has a chance to redeem itself a bit if Maki doesn't take Liz back right away. Let Liz face some consequences for a change. That wouldn't totally fix the story at this point, but at least it wouldn't be total trash like Kimi Koi or Octave.

Some readers don't regard stories as tribunals where their job is to sit in judgment on the behavior of imaginary human beings, but as works of narrative art.

To me this series isn't crappy because the collection of fictional actions called "Liz" is represented as doing unethical or distasteful things and getting away with them; it's bad because the writer sucks at creating consistent characters, at supplying credible motivations, at constructing coherent plots, and at staging effective scenes.

As to that last point, the sequence when Liz jumps out of the car, then has a flashback to what happened two minutes before, and then flashes all the way back to high school, etc. is just wretched manga storytelling, whether the character's behavior happens to meet a reader's individual ethical standards or not.

Judging a story for its technical execution is fine and all. But execution alone doesn't make a story enjoyable. Griping storylines and compelling characters make a story enjoyable. And I don't find anything compelling about shitty people doing shitty things and getting away with it. I'm sure there are some folks out there who like that sort of shit and that's okay. I'm just not one of them.

Judging a story for its technical execution is fine and all. But execution alone doesn't make a story enjoyable. Griping storylines and compelling characters make a story enjoyable. And I don't find anything compelling about shitty people doing shitty things and getting away with it. I'm sure there are some folks out there who like that sort of shit and that's okay. I'm just not one of them.

And then there are those readers who like the sort of shit where as long as in the end the "best" imaginary person (or the most "relatable" imaginary person) has the "best" imaginary outcome and/or the "worst" imaginary person gets the imaginary punishment they "deserve," then that story is "gripping" and "compelling" no matter how shitty and half-assed the story is in getting there.

It takes all kinds, after all.

Which is why I said "execution ALONE doesn't make a story enjoyable." Ideally, you want the whole package. Though, characters I can like is the most important to me.

Anyway, it looks like you're arguing for the sake of arguing. You like what you like and I like what I like. We don't have to agree.

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Which is why I said "execution ALONE doesn't make a story enjoyable." Ideally, you want the whole package. Though, characters I can like is the most important to me.

Anyway, it looks like you're arguing for the sake of arguing. You like what you like and I like what I like. We don't have to agree.

I'm just surprised at how many 21st century readers seem to agree with the mid-1950s censors who crippled US comics for a generation by a literal rule that "good must always triumph over evil."

I'm just surprised at how many 21st century readers seem to agree with the mid-1950s censors who crippled US comics for a generation by a literal rule that "good must always triumph over evil."

Well, it might seem that way to a person who didn't recognize the difference between wanting only stories in which good triumphed and wanting only stories in which evil were never treated as something other than evil.

I'm just surprised at how many 21st century readers seem to agree with the mid-1950s censors who crippled US comics for a generation by a literal rule that "good must always triumph over evil."

Well, it might seem that way to a person who didn't recognize the difference between wanting only stories in which good triumphed and wanting only stories in which evil were never treated as something other than evil.

LoL. Your craft skills fabricating with straw are truly outstanding.

We do seem to agree that in this series the author seems to want us to admire a character who acts like a piece of shit, and that’s bad writing, however.

I'm just surprised at how many 21st century readers seem to agree with the mid-1950s censors who crippled US comics for a generation by a literal rule that "good must always triumph over evil."

Well, it might seem that way to a person who didn't recognize the difference between wanting only stories in which good triumphed and wanting only stories in which evil were never treated as something other than evil.

LoL. Your craft skills fabricating with straw are truly outstanding.

Ah, no. Using the word “seem”, you set-up a straw-man. I noted the least implausible way for things to seem as you proposed them to seem. Of course, I didn't assert that you were sincere in your claim of how things seemed; an announcement that you were just taking a cheap shot wouldn't contradict me at all.

We do seem to agree that in this series the author seems to want us to admire a character who acts like a piece of shit,

No, I don't go that far. The writer seems to want to lead the audience to sympathy. Whether she'll want us to admire that character is unclear to me.

and that’s bad writing, however.

Indeed, wanting us to admire such a character would be bad writing, because prescribing with a broken moral compass is bad writing. And, for the same reason, wanting us to sympathize with a character who behaves as she does is bad writing. And wanting to normalize some of the behavior in the other series was bad writing.

Nearly any reader will accept a story in which what he or she regards as goodness does not triumph, and instead what the reader regards as evil is successful, if the reader is still somehow led to believe that a perverse morality is not being advanced. (In the simplest such cases, the message is that goodness faces a very great challenge.)

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