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The thread is more dramatic than the manga itself lol
My vote is zero. Who's with me?
Oh, wrong again...
He still made sure all of her needs were taken of and he had daily contact with her at school. That alone makes him a bigger influence on her life than Shou.
Awesome, doesn't mean he raised her. She even said herself that she doesn't know him that well.
Lol, no to your no, Cannibal, I actually spent a decent amount of time in Japan, courtesy of my aunt who lived there for 9 years, and I happen to move mostly in those circles. My opinion was formed on the basis of what I observed, but I guess that pales in comparison to your ability to google stuff (if you even did that much, because honestly, at this point it is obvious you are peddling what you think upper classes are like for facts). Adoption was common for the aristocracy, marrying into the wife's family is common now, in cases where a particular bloodline faces extinction.
Haha what a fucking joke. My aunt lived in Alaska for 20 years, doesn't mean I know shit about the Inuits. What a shit stance to take. You have no actual data to back up any of the bullshit you're spilling, especially when it has absolutely no basis in the manga. Remember, your whole name change shit started because you are trying to cover up a plot hole.
Actually, he was not plotting to steal and run off. He was just talking about having money and prestige befit of his new position. It would be somewhat difficult to maintain his new position in society if the first thing he would do was run off with a mistress.
If you actually bothered to read, you would have realised he was talking about being married into money and position, and he would maintain his mistress on the side. He expressly stated the best he would do for Mei is "treat her nicely". Basically, he envisioned a cold marriage, not a get-the-money-then-run scenario. The two years he is talking about ("play the love game for two years") is the facade he intended to maintain until the marriage took place, which would probably be after Mei graduated, hence the wait. After that, the "most I'll do is treat her nicely" would kick in, and the marriage would basically be a formality for him from that point onward.
Oh, I'm reading it. Where does he say that the woman is his mistress that he intends to keep to the side? It doesn't, even tells the woman he loves her. She is in on the whole thing, she isn't some mistress, she is his lover that he will run off to once he has the money in his hands.
"play the love game for two years." - The marriage has already been decided, there is no reason to play the love game. It's an arranged marriage, no love required. Mei has already been sold off, the teacher is talking about how long he has to wait before he can run off.
I just love how you are adding your own little interpretations to the story because you know that what is presented is just dramatic trash that wasn't fully thought out.
You are wasting your breath, once Cannibal forms an opinion, it is beyond any discussion. Which is why almost no one bothers anymore
Ironic, I wont change my opinion and you wont change yours. Once you formed an opinion it's beyond discussion. You will even make shit up to try to justify it.
He is not being a total controlling dick about it.
So Mei didn't ball up into a corner and cry her eyes out because her grandfather is forcing her to marry someone else in order to save the school from something that has never been mentioned once before? Aight.
For reasons I stated in one of my previous posts, Mei would not inherit the position. The academy goes, after the old man dies, to another family. They decide to drastically re-arrange the classes. Standards plummet, enrolment as well, the income dries up, and the whole thing is sold for scrap. Sorry, teaching staff, off to the job market with you. Sorry students, exemplary academic records we could have offered you here are unavailable. I know the upper classes are stereotypically viewed as useless leeches, and there are indeed many who genuinely are like that, but just as often, there is real responsibility attached to positions, and some (Mei obviously falls into this category) take that to heart.
There is a difference between reading the worst in what we are presented, there is another to making up complete bullshit like you are. The school isn't in danger of any of that. Even if it were sold off to another family there is absolutely no reason to believe that it would fall into disarray. It's not like this is the only high class school in Japan. That's just you injecting your own reasons to justify melodrama, not actually looking at what we are given. And again, ironic that you are portraying the next owners as "useless leeches".
There is also one more detail that supports the theory about grandfather actually being mindful of his granddaughter's eventual position at the head of the household, and that is the fact he specifically brings up the prospective fiance's calmness and gentleness, as well as experience in management, but also stresses the fact these will be helpful to Mei in her heavy responsibilities. If this would play out as it usually does in real life, he will be given one of the executive positions, but Mei would be the CEO, and their future son (preferably) would then one day take over.
Except for the whole engaging her to a useless leech who was going to abuse her... I guess you forget that part when its convenient. The grandpa has shown multiple times not to give a shit and yet you wipe it from your memory when necessary.
"A rose by any other name"? "High class prostitution"?? Will you shut the fuck up, you fucking piece of shit, my family engaged in those for generations, and is still doing it now, DO YOU EVEN FUCKING KNOW ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY IS IN AN ARRANGED MARRIAGE????? Newsflash, the world does not fucking work like you fucking imagine it! All this crap about the grandfather, selling Mei as a piece of meat, high class prostitution, these are ALL just your fucking opinions on something you look at as a fucking outsider, and you are looking at it IN FUCKING FICTION AT THAT! I am not saying it is all fucking sunshine and rainbows, but it is also not the fucking things you are peddling here. It is the same fucking story with you every fucking time, Izetta, Yuzumori, now this. You selectively choose parts of the canon, interpret them in a cartoonishly simplistic way, disregard any piece of actual canon that contradicts your interpretation, form these strong opinions, which you then mistake for facts. You dislike the grandfather, I get it. I myself do not actually like him, but I can see where he is coming from. But you then make a mountain out of this dislike, and suddenly he is a cold-hearted bastard who is whoring away his granddaughter. Do you even fucking read what you write, like, ever?? And then your comically stereotypical views on the upper classes kick in, and it is suddenly a fucking high class prostitution. Fuck you. I am done with this crap. Gods, I am an idiot as well. I knew where discussing anything with you leads, and I allow myself to fall for it anyway.
Congrats, it seems you have descended from a family of prostitutes, the least you can do is give them the respect they deserve and recognize the sacrifice they went through. Sorry the truth hit you a little too hard across the face. I thought it was pretty common knowledge that arranged marriages are just high class prostitution where families sold off their daughters and sons for political gain. These aren't opinions, it's the definitions. Families are selling off their child's chastity for political or monetary gain, it's prostitution simple as that. And just because a large portion of the world is fine with this type of prostitution doesn't make it not do.
If you want to get personal you go right ahead, show how thin skinned you are. You can't even discuss fiction without bringing your own family problems into this.
I don't selectively choose parts of the canon and ignore others, I look at the canon as a whole. I see what we are actually presented and take it at face value. You on the other hand inject your own imagination to fill in the blanks and act like they are facts. You do this every time. Your own imagination seems to be more canon for you than what you actually read on the screen. And yes, bring up Izetta and Yuzumori, I would love to explain to you over and over again how bad your comprehensions skills continue to be.
The fact is that gramps is whoring Mei out. He takes her out, shows her off like a piece of meat, and is giving her away to anyone who can give him what he wants. That is exactly what is happening and you want to cover your eyes and deny it because the same prostitution culture seems to be ingrained in your own family, you don't want to face the reality of it all.
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Not enough facepalm in the world...
Oh man, Cannibal is stroking his/her own ego again, in yet another manga?! Boy oh boy, how did I missed this?!
Comparison between manga and anime of episode 3
Man I can't believe what an incredible downgrade this is. I mean, in the anime everybody seems completely nuanced and there's like two expressions in everybody's faces: Barely worried and barely content.
Like, I know we give a lot of shit to Mei about being stoic and all, but in the manga she was worried about her grandfather. In the anime is like "My grandfather is in the hospital? Oh no, I guess"
Oh man, Cannibal is stroking his/her own ego again, in yet another manga?! Boy oh boy, how did I missed this?!
How about you just stick to the dank loli memes in Yuzumori if you don't want to actually add anything.
Oh man, Cannibal is stroking his/her own ego again, in yet another manga?! Boy oh boy, how did I missed this?!
How about you just stick to the dank loli memes in Yuzumori if you don't want to actually add anything.
Nah, I rather keep making fun of you and your pathological need to appear as the intellectual superior of the bunch in a debate about fictional characters in fictional settings, as if you were educating us by being all condescending and stuff
But thanks for your concern
Nah, I rather keep making fun of you and your pathological need to appear as the intellectual superior of the bunch in a debate about fictional characters in fictional settings, as if you were educating us by being all condescending and stuff
Just dripping in irony, arentcha? Sorry that you can't defend against the points I made and instead go for the pathetic ad hominem. Sorry to break it to you, but sometimes garbage that you like gets called out for being garbage. Either try your best to defend yoir opinion or accept that your opinion isnt well thought out.
Either try your best to defend yoir opinion or accept that your opinion isnt well thought out.
Oh you think this is about the manga? OH right
No pal, this is about you. And how full of yourself are you. I don't give three square miles of shit what point are you making right now. I just find your crusade to prove yourself right and everybody else wrong to be absolutely fucking annoying.
You make spectacular points from time to time. As a matter of fact I usually agree with you in the overall comments on yuzumori. But then you name it your personal mission to demonstrate how stupid and garbage is any particular manga you're commenting on and how stupid does that make anyone who likes it.
And that's where the problem is. You seem to have this inch to prove everything you said right. You don't care about discussion. You care about winning an argument.
And, looking by the general response to your comments, it seems to be getting pretty fucking old really quickly.
Want to have an intelligent discussion? Drope the condescending tone and maybe people would be interested in debating you like intelligent people.
Until then, idk man, just don't be surprised if we take it personal
Well essentially ALL relationships are prostitution then, as they are ALL about exchanging something for something else, including sex.
And in the end "arranged" is simply one method for "meeting" someone else. And in the end it doesn't matter how you meet others, it's how you treat them after you meet them that counts.
Certainly an arranged marriage where the participants have no say in the matter would be a type of abuse akin to kidnapping, but from what I know or have heard about it the participants in an "arranged" marriage do get to decide if they want to go ahead with the "arrangement".
I mean the grandfather is deeply flawed but the discourse here is overly categorical. It may seem illogical for Mei to act the way she does, but the simple fact is people usually don't act in a logical manner regarding matters of emotion. People have explained why they feel Mei's behavior can be understood and why the grandfather's behavior may not be solely out of malice or greed. It's perfectly fine for you disagree, but you can't see every story you read as only having one possible interpretation. And if you insist that others must do so, you'll drive everyone crazy
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Oiiiiii...
Gramps gave the teacher the okay to eventually bang Mei, he did not such thing for Yuzu.
Because that's where our opinions differ. He didn't gave the okay to the professor to bang Mei before their marriage, the expression consuming a marriage isn't there for anything, nor is the notion of virginity as a sense of purity and worth. But since you seem to consider arranged marriage as the work of Satan Himself, I guess you'll make everything that happened in this context okay, so it's useless to argue about it.
Besides, last time I checked age of consent in Japan ranges between 16 and 18 without parental approval.
There's a difference between morals and the laws, even if they do overlap.
You would have to be a complete moron to believe the two are not connected, do you think the students and their parents of the prestige academy are really that stupid?
You don't understand, it's public image, not literal truth. Obviously everybody at school understood that, but the general public doesn't know, so the official story is still that nothing happened and nobody will spill the beans. It just becomes a secret or a rumour of the school, not what happened in the records. Public order is paramount in Japan.
He left to go travel the world because he couldn't handle the pressure and responsibility put on him, it was even enough to have him abandon his own daughter.
That's not the father directly putting pressure on the son, it's just the situation of the school and the society they are in. After all, the son was free to leave everything behind and ruin his daughter's sense of self to indulge himself on his quest for enlightenment. I don't think he could have if the grandpa was the manipulating devil tyrant you paint him to be.
Yes, a social encounter to present his granddaughter like a pristine mare ready for breeding.
Public image and stuff. It's not because you make everything to succeed in a job interview or a business meeting that you have to accept the deal even if things turn out well, but you still have to uphold your own reputation and image. And be respectable, that's standard etiquette.
Spent the minimal amount of money doing a background check on the dude. Yuzu found out everything in only a couple of days. Gramps is suppose to be filthy rich, yet couldn't afford a PI to make sure his granddaughter wasn't marrying a scumbag.
Maybe the scumbag was smart enough to hide everything, maybe he appeared as somebody respectable. Public image is a thing in Japan, I suppose it would be rude to dispute somebody's word without concrete stuff. Perhaps he was somebody the grandpa knew to be respectable and trusted him without knowing everything about him, since he trusted him to work in his school before that.
No, he clearly doesn't care about his family since he already engaged his daughter to an abusive creep who was going to rob her. Why do you want to gloss over this fact?
Because he didn't know. Why can't you understand that?
He can tell his granddaughter whatever he likes, fact is that she didn't going to meeting by herself.
She is accepting it, it's for her own goal which is inheriting the school. If she said no, she probably wouldn't have to go.
He was the one who set it up, he was the one who picked her up, escorted her, told her everything she needed to know about the dude she might marry.
He is the one arranging the meeting, this isn't for a love marriage (that stuff is for the poor). And what would you have preferred? That he left her completely in the dark and say again "okay you'll have to marry this dude, deal with it" and just dragged her with him? Yeah, maybe something along "that's already what he's doing" or "he shouldn't have forced her (which he did not) and let her do whatever she likes with her life (what he asked her to do)"; it's not his fault if his granddaughter is still willing (atm) to go along with all this stuff for the school and her family's sake.
And then Mei goes and cries in the corner when everything is all said and done, because grandpa is a prick that is ruining his family's lives.
Because Mei is torn between following her life goals and following her love life with her step-sister; two things which aren't compatible, that's the core of the story right now. Grandpa's not ruining anything, only Mei's making herself cry at this moment, she would just have to leave like Shou and everything would be over; what would probably happen, unless she manages to make her love life with Yuzu continue on the side of her marriage, or inherit the school without marriage which is a possibility but I'd have a hard time understanding it given the social context.
Yes, and in the fine print it seems like inheriting the school requires being sold like a piece of meat.
As long as you keep trying to apply your own individualistic and idealistic views of how a life should be spent on this situation, you won't be able to understand why she has to marry a man and build a family to run her grandpa's school, and why the grandpa has to be the one organising it. Hate the game, not the player, as they say.
Who the fuck care about the family living on if no one in the family is happy?
That's the problem right there. Being happy doesn't bring you any money, any power, any prestige. That's where your point of view clashes with the point of view of Mei (and her grandpa's, and Tywin's) about the school. You put the individual's happiness above all, Japanese (or rich people) put the group and society above the individual. There is a thing called duty, working for something above yourself and your own happiness.
Grandpa's constructed something that gives his family money and power, and he wants the thing he has constructed to continue so his heirs would have the same advantages : he wants to build legacy. Something concrete that matters in society, not something fickle like individual enjoyment that ends when you die or when you stop actually enjoying it.
About the bad example, I said he was bastard, but that his point of view on the family's legacy made sense, meaning individual quarrels, preference or whatever don't matter over time. Giving an example that he was a cruel bastard is useless, since I already admitted it and I'm not comparing Grandpa to him, anyway. And he's talking about the family as a name, a legacy almost as company, not the traditional family with a mother and a father.
@ klice : the grandfather’s quote from volume 1 is in fact a mistranslation. A japanese speaking anon on /u told that the japanese meant something like « you are free to do what you want for a time ». The grandfather seems to give a limited free time to Mei but also reminded her that she’ll have soon to be back to follow her duty.
Ah well, I don't have the French translation next to me (I'd guess they translated from English, probably), but after three sources telling the exact same thing, I'd have thought it was a valid translation. However, I don't know about the legitimacy of our dear anon, but that doesn't change the fact that he cares for her to some degree in my mind.
Anyway, i think he lets her choose but at the same time she feels obligated to do so because she’s thankful to him. A part of him probably knows that she’s cannot dare reject it because she places following her family wishes above everything else.
Like Mei, the grandfather seems conflicted between Mei’s hapiness and the need to assure bloodline for business. Nothing is black or white here, and i like that the chapter 35 shows how different characters like
the manager, Mei and the grandfather have to attune their dilemna.
This is what I'm trying to convey without managing to succeed, apparently. Mei is still a willing participant, so for the grandpa that means that's what she wants and he can respect that even if it would pain him to see her hurt.
And in the end it doesn't matter how you meet others, it's how you treat them after you meet them that counts.
QFT.
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I wonder how it will be solved. Because I cannot imagine Mei choosing to let down her family, she's so proud of it. A simple rejection of the engagement would totally be out of character even though it is what we want to have our happy ending. So, I try to find how Saburouta could assure a happy future for Mei and Yuzu together without making Aihara legacy crumbles, which would be something that will break Mei no matter what.
Of course, there is Shou coming back as a trump card, but that doesn't solve the problem of the heir. He would need to have another child which is totally impossible if we don't want to add complications. And imagining that the happy end would be Yuzu being Mei's secret mistress is to be excluded. Yuzu's nindo, life's conception is to live without hiding who she is, without barrier so she wouldn't agree.
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He would need to have another child which is totally impossible if we don't want to add complications.
I don't know Yuzu's mother age, but why not make her and Shou finally fall in love and give Mei and Yuzu a little brother? Mei would still have to forget her goals... Or she could act as an intendant for the time he comes of age and still run the school from the shadow afterwards!
And imagining that the happy end would be Yuzu being Mei's secret mistress is to be excluded. Yuzu's nindo, life's conception is to live without hiding who she is, without barrier so she wouldn't agree.
On that, I completely agree, even if it would look like the perfect compromise considering Mei's goals.
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Usually, Saburouta creates a big drama that seems to expands to the point we feel everything will go to hell and she solves it very easily in an undramatic way.
Anyway, the problem is to find a way to maintain Aihara bloodline.
I will add that two characters foreshadowed maybe Mei's decision. Sho told in chapter 7 that Mei will understand she has to find her own path, meaning pursue her happiness, and Shiraho almost said the same thing in chapter 33. Too much echoes to be a coincidence on the plot's future.
Edit : i cannot imagine Mei taking the school as it is and maintaining the toxic rules there (toxic from an individualistic point of you), with all these girls attending it to be perfect heir to their family and being engaged in marriage without love. And at the same time, being with Yuzu. Or, the only way for her to be the school headmistress and living with Yuzu would be to revolution the school. I wonder if it's possible in regard to Japanese social conventions even in a fictional world.
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Not enough facepalm in the world...
Apparently you're losing your edge, Nez-chan...
That shot of Mei crying broke my heart. God damn.
Marathoned the entire series just now. Darn that's just... man. Does anyone know what the release/translation schedule is?
(Or at least tell me when the next chapter's coming out... Please.)
When will Mei stop suffering?? She doesn't deserve any of this...
Marathoned the entire series just now. Darn that's just... man. Does anyone know what the release/translation schedule is?
(Or at least tell me when the next chapter's coming out... Please.)
Chapters are out every month, the 16/17th of the month when Yuri Hime comic is released. Of course, if the author did a pause when releasing a volume, you have to wait another month. Next chapter is the 16th of February, just wait for 4 days to one week for the translation from Chaosteam (or a little more when there are busy times). They try to be quick but they want quality too, so you just have to be a little more patient, it all worth it.
When will Mei stop suffering?? She doesn't deserve any of this...
Let's hope dad stops being an idiot and comes back to take her place.
When will Mei stop suffering?? She doesn't deserve any of this...
I disagree. She could say no to her grandfather. She could politely explain the situation to Udagawa. But she doesn't. She might be suffering, but it's self-inflicted. As the saying goes, you can't always have you cake and eat it too. She needs to decide if she wants to please everyone else around her, or if she wants to be truly happy, Either way, someone will end up disappointed or hurt. That's a fact of life.
I disagree.
Not saying it's not her fault, but do you always deserve the things you impose to yourself? Do self-loathing character deserve the suffering they impose on themselves? Most of the times, it's kind of unfair.. Although, I can understand the general incomprehension or disdain.
Otherwise, I agree completely that she is imposing it on herself, but what to do when your life goals clash with your love life...