mpgpeg hehehe my God.. accurate lyrics.

Es0teric if you would like to hear some great songs..
Keane- Try Again
Keane- We might as well

Nora89 Good songs too. :) Too bad I do not speak Korean.

Es0teric Haha, sarcasm. Nice. But those mentioned fit the characters more than others.

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Es0teric Haha, sarcasm. Nice. But those mentioned fit the characters more than others.

No sarcasm lol, just not subjects the types of bands i listen to sing about.

Nora89

I'll check them out : )

Es0teric

Haha, oh. I guess you do not listen to mainstream music then? Cause it is saturated with that subject. Take anything by Taylor Swift, for example.

mpgpeg

Not really no. Closest thing is probably some 80's pop but even then i tend to like songs that don't sing about those subjects.

Love is not a subject i'm particularly interested in to be honest, I'm surprised I'm even still reading this Manwha.

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Es0teric

80's pop, I approve. 80's movies are great too. They went hand in hand during that decade. What subjects do you prefer?

Love is not a subject i'm particularly interested in to be honest, I'm surprised I'm even still reading this Manwha.

lol Do you like action-adventure? Fantasy? I feel like love is almost always a part of a story, even if it is a side plot.

mpgpeg

I'll reply to you in the off topic thread lol

Es0teric

Haha, smart choice.

@yoonie
What got worse? 10 years ago, she was a cheating girlfriend, and Sumin had already left her high and dry. These day, she is you guys’ most favorite character. :'D Also, Sumin had to talk to her when she wanted to cut ties with her. Moreover, Sumin even agreed with her one last wish. She also received Sumin’s forgiveness. No only that, Sumin let her live with her and has been taking care of her even that she realized that this was so wrong to Sungji, her current girlfriend. Again, what got worse?

Was it fare for Sumin? 10 years ago she got cheated and scared. Today, she is a jerk because she did hurt her cheating girlfriend. Every good thing she is doing to Seju these days is a must, so it doesn’t count?

No, no, what I mean is BEFORE the assassin incident or maybe before Sungji appeared. Relationship wise, 10 years ago, if she left for real, would it be this worse? Relationship wise xD, not about dead or alive after 10 years thanks to her keep coming back. Everything about them is a mess and it got this worse for 10 years partly Sumin's fault or should I say, more? Things like that for 10 years was because she kept coming back with love mixed hate. Isnt that the reason why she had to go talking to her about stopping to see each other? Cause she was the one who kept coming back? Maybe partly because of Seju, but are you sure its not because of her selfish way of revenging a person who she knew would never object? Again, who is the one at fault more? For 10 years? Before Sungji appeared?

As for the present, well, she is redeeming herself and trying her best to treat both Seju and Sungji. That I wont argue to you xD. She's trying her best and doing what she could. But, tbh, she actually shows Seju care only after the assassin incident, before that, she actually tried not to care and appeared to be colder than before. Well, tbh, the fear of her being dead for good is actually the reason why she treated her better xD, that's her own fear, not because of forgiveness or sth (which I know she already had, I know).

10 years ago, it isnt fair for Sumin but is it fair for Seju? Sure that she cheated but all the hatred got dumped to her from her own family and Sumin's family. Has it been fair for Seju for 10 years? At least Sumin got to play watever card she got, but what Seju got for one mistake she made?

I don’t think Sumin was playing a victim card, If she was playing a card, then it would be a Seju's spoiled girlfriend card. lol Was there a reason why she couldn't date anyone? Why couldn't she still be angry with Seju? After all, she was cheated not cheater. Seju had to act like a guilty party because that was how a guilty party should do to redeem herself.

So who used that famous cheating to torture Seju for 10 years? Who actually show off her own relationship to your ex just for the sake of revenging? Who is also the one got mad and verbally said bad things to Seju after Nammi thing reciting that incident as her own card? Isnt that her who played victim card?

If redeeming herself means accepting 10 years being the side dish sex slave of someone who once loved you so much then, got discarded after thar person found someone better, isnt it way too cruel? Again, for 10 years living like that, and recently it showed Sumin knew of it herself, she knew Seju didnt drink and I'm pretty sure she knew the reason of that but after 10 years still got accusation and anger for the Nammi thing, still got "you always disappointed me". 10 years. She knew of it for 10 years but we still got back to square one because of one move from Seju. If redeeming herself got furtile like this, then is it fair for her?

Not that I discard the way she treated her lately or anything, or that deep down, she also felt guilty for treating Seju like that for 10 years but living in denial for 10 years, using that one girl to concrete that denial, masking it as revenge and hatred, she is still the one should be blamed. And well, Seju, too, for being a f*cking coward who cant move on nor move back amd accept watever thrown at her just to be able to be with Sumin.

Like I said, I dont consider Sumin treated Seju like trash but I do think she has been unreasonable towards Seju for too long and take her for granted for too long.

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Nora

You recommended two songs for Sumin and Sungji each but didnt have one for Seju? XDDDDDD.

mpgpeg

Wow, that is one accurate lyrics. Too bad its Korean, I wanna understand what they are singing xDDDDD

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yoonie0104

lol I wish I understood as well. Translations are the best we can do. Same goes for this manhwa.

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Foxy lady

What a poem. Would you say it is more Seju's POV or Sumin's? Or both? I initially read it as Seju's.

Foxy lady

Yeah, I reread it and thought of Sumin. Great poem!

yoonie

Nora
You recommended two songs for Sumin and Sungji each but didnt have one for Seju? XDDDDDD.

well, because I like this song.. but don't really like Beyonce
but, you can take London Grammar's version of it.. (Hannah Reid is my wifu in another dimention XD)

I've seen your scars and kissed your crime
Seen your scars and kissed your crime

Our love was stronger than your pride
Beyond your darkness, I'm your light
If you get deep, you touch my mind

They say true love's the greatest weapon
To win the war caused by pain, pain
But every diamond has imperfections
But my love's too pure to watch it chip away
Oh nothing real can be threatened
True love breathes salvation back into me
With every tear came redemption
And my torturer became my remedy

So many people that I know, they're just tryna touch ya
Kiss up and rub up and feel up
Kiss up and rub up and feel up on you
Give you some time to prove that I can trust you again
I'm gonna kiss up and rub up and feel up
Kiss up and rub up and feel up on you

All I wanna, ain't no other
We together, I remember
Sweet love all night long

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K3n

and you are my wifu in next life Seju-Nim

hehehehe.. but I have plans for next life XD

You have broken the heart of a little girl who is sincere and pure ╥﹏╥

I'll mend it if I could

Btw, since we no longer take the translations of the podcast seriously, I guess we can not rule out the possibility of Seju dying, right? Even though, with the current events, it seems she wont get killed or kill herself.

Random thought. Sumin dated a high schooler before. It would be cool if gaji gives sungi a sequel and shows that she encounters sumin in her past, and give us the reason why she is so attach to "team leader".

Btw, since we no longer take the translations of the podcast seriously, I guess we can not rule out the possibility of Seju dying, right? Even though, with the current events, it seems she wont get killed or kill herself.

I can't see them killing her off, but hopefully chairman dies in the next chapter to push things to the next level.

@Ken

Hello there Sia Ue-San. How's your final Sweetie?

Yes, they are all finished. But I still have to work on a report, and I still have one more important presentation. I will be still busy until mid-July. Hope you have fun on this forum. :'D

@yoonie
Before Sungji appeared? xD iirc, she appeared in the first chapter and in the very first panel, no? lol Kidding, I know what you meant. If Sumin left Seju for real, things would have been worse. They might have been just an acquaintance to each other for the rest of their lives, or Seju might have been nothing but a cheating girlfriend to Sumin forever. I see too little hope for Sumin to miraculously forgive Seju given that Seju had no chance to do anything for Sumin.

Yeah, Sumin was the one who kept coming back. But if her coming back solely or mainly depended on herself, was there a need to ask Seju about what if she would come back to Seju again? Did this still not imply that Sumin couldn’t stop herself from going back to Seju if she knew that Seju was still waiting for her.

As a Seju fan, you are supposed to appreciate that 10 years. When we talk about 10 years Seju redeeming herself, or 10 years Sumin getting her revenge on her ex, it does sound so serious. But is the truth even half serious as it sounds? I find it unfair for Sumin because every single day during that 10 years was counted as Seju redeeming herself, while it was counted as Sumin purposely hurting her ex. Even when Seju was smirking, flirting, or teasing Sumin, this day would still add to Seju genuinely redeeming herself. Even the day when Sumin was doing her daily life such as working, sleeping, doing her own bathroom business lol, even when she went back to comfort Seju when Seju was back from meeting her family, even when Seju felt happy having Sumin by her side, or even when Sumin felt guilty for hurting Seju, this kind of day would still be counted as her intentionally torturing her ex, no? The longer they kept their toxic relationship, the more Seju could prove her loyalty, and the more Sumin could prove her jerkiness.

The fact that Seju cheating incident was still there, so was the fact that Sumin got scared. They are still there even to this day. It is still be able to hurt Sumin a lot if she gets reminded. However, you guys Seju fans always complained about why Sumin still hadn't forgotten all about those things yet? How could she? Her relationships always failed, also her women sometimes asked about her tattoo. It's not easy for her to just forget all of those and forgive Seju. Had Seju not cheat on her, would she go through all those failed relationships nor would she get those scars?

Well, tbh, the fear of her being dead for good is actually the reason why she treated her better xD, that's her own fear, not because of forgiveness or sth (which I know she already had, I know).

Do you care if your cheating girlfriend life is in danger or not? lol Would your cheating girlfriend dying fear you? Sumin genuinely cares about Seju.

So who used that famous cheating to torture Seju for 10 years? Who actually show off her own relationship to your ex just for the sake of revenging? Who is also the one got mad and verbally said bad things to Seju after Nammi thing reciting that incident as her own card? Isnt that her who played victim card?

Darling.

And who allowed that famous torture to happen for 10 years? Who actually took the advantage of Sumin’s revenge just for the sake of keeping her toxic relationship? Who was the one who instead of replying “No, we didn’t sleep together” but she replied “what if we did?” causing Sumin to get mad and verbally said bad things? I can also say Seju is playing a “being in danger” card to be able to stay with Sumin considering the fact that she is rich enough to hire 100 bodyguards to protect her. It’s simple, life is like that, if you were given a card that could benefit you, you would play it. Seju has never played a victim card or spoiled girlfriend card because she has never had one.

If redeeming herself means accepting 10 years being the side dish sex slave of someone who once loved you so much then, got discarded after thar person found someone better, isnt it way too cruel?

A successful Seju redeeming herself can only get her Sumin’s forgiveness, nothing more. If she wanted more than Sumin’s forgiveness, she had to work harder and on the right thing. If Seju wished her relationship with Sumin to start over again, she shouldn’t have spent this many years on just waiting, flirting, teasing, bedding, giving Sumin dating advice, etc, like that.

Like I said, I dont consider Sumin treated Seju like trash but I do think she has been unreasonable towards Seju for too long and take her for granted for too long.

Sumin didn’t plan to get revenge on Seju for 10 years. In average, Sumin had a new relationship every 4 months. When Sumin went into a relationship with someone, she always wanted her relationship to work out. If any of her relationships had worked out, she would have stopped hating Seju since long time ago.

sia ue

Before Sungji appeared? xD iirc, she appeared in the first chapter and in the very first panel, no? lol Kidding, I know what you meant. If Sumin left Seju for real, things would have been worse. They might have been just an acquaintance to each other for the rest of their lives, or Seju might have been nothing but a cheating girlfriend to Sumin forever. I see too little hope for Sumin to miraculously forgive Seju given that Seju had no chance to do anything for Sumin.

It depends on what you define "worse". To me, if they did a proper break up without coming back, a "clean cut", I think its better than dragging that relationship along for 10 years. Seju lives or dies, carrying that guilt or not, could do sth or not, doesnt matter. Strangers with guilt from Seju's side or being each other's sex buddies, which one is better, its your definition xD. But to me, after a clear break up words, coming back after that and making the relationship toxic is worse than being strangers. When you broke up, you broke up. The relationship has been dead the day they said it. So just better make strangers than dragging it without finding real problems, it just adds more pain in it.

As a Seju fan, you are supposed to appreciate that 10 years. When we talk about 10 years Seju redeeming herself, or 10 years Sumin getting her revenge on her ex, it does sound so serious. But is the truth even half serious as it sounds?.........

Yes, the truth is actually serious as it sounds. Sumin only faced her deepest, darkest thoughts that are she still loved Seju, still cared for her when Nammi knocked some sense into her. However, even in that inner debate, she was still in denial until that image of Seju appeared. What does that mean? Means for 10 years long, to Sumin, its a revenge, she think she masking that care, that love by thinking of it as a revenge. Yes, Sumin admitted she cared for Seju but masking it as a revenge. Does it make them sound nicer? No, why? Cause she would play back and forth between being nice and being cruel. No, scratch that, she was never nice to Seju, even if she cared, she didnt show it, she only showed up to her house when Seju had a family meeting, had sex to make sure she was ok and mentally told her: well, I was here, still here. Care? Did Seju feel cared for from Sumin for 10 years. No, she didnt. That's why Seju was so surprised in the supermarket when Sumin said she's worried. So in Seju's perspective, its not care, its a revenge? Completely, totally. So as a Seju fan, why would we want to feel thankful for that 10 years with Sumin? When Seju herself didnt feel cared, loved or anything? Only a sex buddy and a mindset that she'll come back because she always does and she even wished to be hated more so that the girl would come back? The only thing that should be appreciated for that 10 years is that she is still alive or that she got to be with Sumin so readers can empathy her for that 10 years but isnt that the purpose?

And well, I wont go down to detail of everyday for the past 10 years cause that would be a dead-end reasoning. However, Seju redeeming herself for that 10 years long is from a very selfish momentum that is wishing her to come back to her by all means. So maybe, I dont consider Sumin revengering Seju everyday but I do think Seju redeeming herself every damn day cause she's stupid and selfish that way. But love is stupid and selfish anyway.

And who allowed that famous torture to happen for 10 years?

You dont get my point. It takes two tango, I know that. Its already obvious to every reader that Seju is actively in that, too. I told you all those thing in that paragraph because you said she didnt play the victim card. I said she did, obviously did. You said she only play the spoiled got cheated ex gf card. If she didnt play that card and hold the grudge but love a person too much, she wont have come back. She made a revenge and knew Seju wouldnt object because Seju was the one cheating.

Seju has never played a victim card or spoiled girlfriend card because she has never had one.

And yes, that's right. That's my point. She never has one so at least Sumin got to do sth while being the one got cheated while Seju has none so who gives her the right to be angry at your ex when you got to do all those things you did to release your stress? So why do you want Seju fans to justify Sumin's actions when all they got for the whole series are all of that I said above of the post? Seju only feel cared for, worried for just recently? Let alone love? you could say that Sumin also doesnt feel Seju's love before but at the very least, she knows that Seju is waiting for her.

A successful Seju redeeming herself can only get her Sumin’s forgiveness, nothing more. If she wanted more than Sumin’s forgiveness, she had to work harder and on the right thing. If Seju wished her relationship with Sumin to start over again, she shouldn’t have spent this many years on just waiting, flirting, teasing, bedding, giving Sumin dating advice, etc, like that.

Since you asked Seju fans if we have considered Sumin is like that because of Seju, so have you ever thought Seju smirked, flirted, playful, pushing Sumin to Sungji was because of Sumin herself? Because of her coldness and harsh words? Its a circle without end when both actively contributed to it. The most important question is who began this circle first? Seju or Sumin? Let's be honest. Sumin might be the one intiated this whole thing with her first ever intention of revenging and coming back for that.

Sumin didn’t plan to get revenge on Seju for 10 years. In average, Sumin had a new relationship every 4 months. When Sumin went into a relationship with someone, she always wanted her relationship to work out. If any of her relationships had worked out, she would have stopped hating Seju since long time ago.

Again, how does this make Seju fans feel appreciated with that 10 years when Sumin always wanted to move on? That Seju might also get dried and long dead if she got luckier on her relationship?

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sia ue

However, you guys Seju fans always complained about why Sumin still hadn't forgotten all about those things yet?

as what they call me a "Seju stan", I stopped thinking about forgiveness long time ago.. their problem is not in that.. but it's actually more complex .. a combination of fear of being hurt again by the person you love the most (trust issues), inferiority complex, insecurity.

Even if Sumin forgave Seju a month after what had happened 10 years ago, they still can't get back together.. so I agree, Sumin's forgiveness is not the focal point at all.

all right.. I checked Gaji's twitter account.. she made a one shot manhwa of two girls.. one looks so similar to Sumin and the other is so like Seju.. DAMN.. the scene is just a nosebleeder !
hehehe the Seju-like girl topped the other XDDD my God Gaji, she really like drawing sex scenes XD

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all right.. I checked Gaji's twitter account.. she made a one shot manhwa of two girls.. one looks so similar to Sumin and the other is so like Seju.. DAMN.. the scene is just a nosebleeder !
hehehe the Seju-like girl topped the other XDDD my God Gaji, she really like drawing sex scenes XD

Oh shit, I really really want to check this out, but I an outdoor, in public space with adults and kids next to me... Can I secretly read the sex scenes without them finding out?

Edit: I found an empty bench, sat down, proceeded with the secret page, saw the first panel (noice!), then an old Indian lady excused herself and sat next to me, she is still next to me, she has no intention of moving, I am dying.

Edit2: finally found a secluded space and skimmed the chapter. So hot. They look like Mercy and D.va from overwatch.

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all right.. I checked Gaji's twitter account.. she made a one shot manhwa of two girls.. one looks so similar to Sumin and the other is so like Seju.. DAMN.. the scene is just a nosebleeder !
hehehe the Seju-like girl topped the other XDDD my God Gaji, she really like drawing sex scenes XD

How can you read it? I open the page, it told me to login @.@

Edit: oh, I can open it now, need to login and pass and all. Hmmm, that's d.va a d mercy from overwatch allright. TG even keeps their name in that one shot xD. But hell, when the white hair girl loose her hair, I swoon over, lollll.

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