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joined Apr 27, 2016

Honestly, even if SuminxSungji do end up togother like most people have predicted, I hope that Seju will still end up alone without moving on with another person, I want to keep her loyal love till the end. Such a sad thing that she would move on with another person. Her undying and unbreakable love for Sumin despite of every bad thing or hardships is cool no matter how toxic like everyone said. I know it's selfish but I dont like seeing her loving someone else. Let that love become eternal and forever :), to prove Seju herself that there is thing that lasts forever :)

Melxlynn2
joined Mar 4, 2017

Honestly, even if SuminxSungji do end up togother like most people have predicted, I hope that Seju will still end up alone without moving on with another person, I want to keep her loyal love till the end. Such a sad thing that she would move on with another person. Her undying and unbreakable love for Sumin despite of every bad thing or hardships is cool no matter how toxic like everyone said. I know it's selfish but I dont like seeing her loving someone else. Let that love become eternal and forever :), to prove Seju herself that there is thing that lasts forever :)

Seju ending up alone if team blonde is an endgame is 200% sure.

Wish I could write more and more often, but my phone is really, really broken. Bought a new one, but gotta wait for it until tomorrow evening or Tuesday morning...

Cveoz_lueaab1ln
joined Feb 5, 2016

Sumin probably would still go back to Seju at some point later, or she might never ever will. In real life, not everyone would go back to their ex. The scene where Sumin was blushing from looking at the girl who was selling her incenses could imply that she wasn't broken so much after her breakup with Seju. In other words, Sumin would be able to move on like other people too. Moleguy's involvement made Sumin coming back to Seju happen imo. Should moleguy have done nothing at all and waited for Sumin to go back to Seju on her own instead? No, from his perspective. Why should he have to wait while he didn't even know how long it would take, and would the day even come? And how could he not want to do anything while seeing that Seju couldn't even have her strength to talk back to him? Also, how long would Seju be able to wait for Sumin? What if she killed herself before Sumin could break up with others, get drunk, miss their old days, and finally decided to come back to her?

Not everyone comes back to their ex but well they called themselves fated with each other, grew up together, first love and all that jazz. If she could be that easy to move on, I believe she shouldn't have revive her moments with Seju every time she got on with a girl and compare them to Seju. And with that red head, we could see Sumin seems to be happy, going buy her necklace and all, just like before the accident. I mean, you could happily date another girl but it doesn't mean you already forget your past love. But yeah, you have a point, we cant know for sure if she would go back or not.

I don't think that guy can know for sure Sumin will go back to Seju for revenge after his torture, though. He's no psychic, just like we cant know for sure she will go back to Seju or not. What he did will increase that hatred, that's for sure but how could he knows that Sumin will not go on a spree of dating thousands of girls just for the sake of it while carrying her hatred for Seju forever and disappear from her life forever?

I think, what the man did, it's not really about impacting it to Sumin, it's about impacting Seju herself, note that before that accident, she no longer wanted to eat or have the will of living but after that accident, she actually blamed herself, Sumin was like that was because of her family, so out of guilt, it's leading to her promise to wait for Sumin till she dies, and she actually stopped her terrible way of living after breaking up and actually try to be alive, just to wait for Sumin. I believe what that man did was to keep Seju alive for Sumin, not for Sumin to take revenge on Seju, aka, he wants to give Seju a reason to live, and for that he also granted Sumin a way to revenge Seju

Perhaps, the fact that Seju cheated on Sumin with a GUY had ruined their relationship forever already. Moleguy hurting Sumin would be able to force Sumin to be back by Seju's side again for her revenge. Living together can increase a chance of you falling in love with your ex again too. If his method had not worked, at least, being hurt like that could make Sumin more damaged; being more damaged diminishes a chance of her moving on with other. Yeah, the damaged Sumin might have end up dating more women, but this would not eliminate the possibility of her, at some point in life, missing her first love and go back to Seju again either because nothing would be able to change the fact that Seju and her did grow up together, they're each other's first love, etc. I don't agree with moleguy's way, but I don't see how not doing anything at all to Sumin was a better choice. Like right now that she is moving on with Sungji, there still is a chance of her breaking up with Sungji and go back to Seju again on her own too, but the chance is very low, right? Making Sungji disappear forever, or using some sort of dirty trick on Sumin again would increase the chance imo (how unlikable of me. lol)

Personally, I think what moleguy did was to give Seju a reason to live, to be forgiven, and to be loved again too, but for that he had to grant Sumin a chance to get revenge on Seju. I think feeling guilty for hurting your ex can make you feel responsible and want to compensate for your guilt, and you might end up falling in love with your ex again. I honestly find it weird that after Sumin felt guilty for her 10 years of revenging on Seju, she decided to leave Seju.

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joined Feb 4, 2017

Personally, I think what moleguy did was to give Seju a reason to live, to be forgiven, and to be loved again too, but for that he had to grant Sumin a chance to get revenge on Seju.

this is exactly what we reached from the statement he said in ch 58 to Sumin:
"it wasn't the money, the compensation was that you were also given the chance to take revenge on her"
...
assume that the scarring did not happen, probably Seju would have no reason to live and committed Suicide, eventually Sumin would know, can you imagine how this will destroy Sumin for good !!
I believe that Saehyun not only saved Seju's life but Sumin's as well, but it depended on how long is Sumin willing to torment Seju for revenge.
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btw, Sumin never wanted Seju to move on on her, if you remember Nammi's case, she said to Seju: "you are always disappointing me" !
why will she be disappointed!! also remember ch33, the moment she knew about the blind dates how she looked.

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joined Feb 4, 2017

just to put it clearly:
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- Seju break up with Sumin <- Seju might commit suicide -> Sumin will never forgive herself.

Scarring Sumin
Seju thinks: ah my conservative family wanted to punish and torment me, so they hurt Sumin, they do not know we already broke up, I put Sumin in danger, I feel guilty!

  • Seju lives and waits for Sumin's forgiveness,
  • Sumin gets both: a living Seju and a chance for revenge.

(ch27, Seju: I think it was my family trying to give me a hard time.. they don't really know about...us)
-> and you know from ch30, the guy on the blind date knew about Seju dating woman - it is an issue in her community, no wonder she resonated the scarring that way)

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joined Feb 4, 2017

predictions time:

I have two mysteries in this manhwa,
1- Seju’s mother death circumstances 
2- whether the bartender incident was consensual 
….. 
my guess for the first issue: 
1- Saehyun will be the one to catch the assassin if she ever strikes again, maybe he already sent someone to keep an eye on Seju.
Sumin is there for emotional support, while the real bodyguards are there, if they catch the assassin, she would tell him who sent her, and probably she knows who killed Seju’s mother. (probably the same brother who sent someone to Seju’s mother) 
- Seju indeed will show who is the lowest of the low.
--> Saehyun did not send the assassin. 
in the process we will get to know the real relationship between Saehyun and An Chahee
…. 
2- Now, I take back my words, I think Nammi knows about the scarring, her father is a doctor by the way, he might have been in the hospital when Sumin was there, Nammi’s conversation with Seju suggests that she knows about that drunken night. ch47

now, 
Sungji, who is questioning the relationship between Seju and Sumin, "why those people who seem to love and care for each other broke up in the first place?”

she might ask Nammi about it, which then might bring back the memories of ch53 to Sungji’s mind.. this will make her realise the similarities between the situations. 

by the way, there was a million way in which Seju can call Sungji to the office in ch55, WHY did Team Gaji showed us so much details in ch53 - really is it just to show us that Sungji forgot the ring in there !- ?? why did they choose to not make Sungji talk to Sumin about that day at all till now?, unless they are holding this thing to the very end.

016
joined Mar 21, 2017

Just a few points before i start work. This is all experience based opinions so may not reflect your reading into this manhwa.

I can't justify the torture. Not only the psychological effect it would have had on Sumin but also the effect it has on Seju. Not interfering would have been the best move. I don't trust moleguy at all.

I feel that Seju never had the chance herself to move on. If she had chosen to commit suicide after their break up it would have ultimately been her choice, if on the other hand she had had the strength to move on then even better, she probably would have found a new love eventually. No matter how painful a break up may be, it's never the end.

I don't believe that love is eternal, i think that's just romantic idealism.

Sumin may have come back at some point to Seju if the torture never had happened but in that situation i could believe the love between them a bit better. Until recently their circumstances were tainted by the torture. Sumins "love" was masked by hate. Seju's "love" was guided by obsession & control. Neither was healthy to me.

Not saying anything about Sungji on purpose because this post is all about Sumin and Seju.

I can't predict who the end couple is. Can see it going either way or no where.

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joined Jun 6, 2016

Keep calm and read... Lol
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

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joined Mar 21, 2017

Keep calm and read... Lol
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

I read this the other day, It's great.

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Cveoz_lueaab1ln
joined Feb 5, 2016

Asking people to stop, to listen, to change their opinions when you don't even bother to talk to them. Stating out an opinion in a few unsounding lines to invalidate other people's opinions. What a boss! lol

Capture_89_1
joined Apr 28, 2016

I can't justify the torture. Not only the psychological effect it would have had on Sumin but also the effect it has on Seju. Not interfering would have been the best move. I don't trust him at all.

Seju never had the chance herself to move on. If she had chosen to commit suicide after their break up it would have ultimately been her choice, if on the other hand she had had the strength to move on then even better, she probably would have found a new love eventually. No matter how painful a break up may be, it's never the end.

Well, that's from a normal person's perspective XD. Yes, from a normal person like you and me, like hell we couldn't move on xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD, it's just a lover, we can find a new one, eventually xDDDDDD, nothing is irreplaceable, or so they said. But the author has specifically and purposely built a Seju who has struggled with finding a purpose to live for her whole life, living under hatred and verbal abuse from family members, who's described as someone who might commit suicide because of hardships all the time xD, who has questioned her own worthiness in this life thousands of times xD, basically grew up without feeling loved. Sumin was not just a mere lover xD, she was a life-saver to Seju, someone who made her realize her life has some thing meaningful. Romantically, we could say, Sumin is the one who brought light to Seju's dark life and when that light's gone, I don't think that person has the strength or willingness to find another light, simply cause to her, the light is one and only =))))))). And well, Seju is Seju anyway =)))), she's no us, so us moving on is different than her moving on. She wants to love this one person till she died or sth and that is her choice =))))). Plus, that man cared for Seju =))))), do you think he would sit there and do nothing seeing her like that and gradually kill herself? He would do sth, anyway =))))).

I don't believe that love is eternal, i think that's just romantic idealism.

Everyone has their own opinion xD but to me, Seju to Sumin: yes, oh, definitely, even if nothing's happened to Sumin caused by that man, Seju still won't try to move on =))))) but Sumin to Seju? No, it's not (or maybe I'm not sure =)))))) ), so it depends on what love you're talking about, Seju's or Sumin's?

And isn't romantic idealism what makes manhwas or mangas or any kind of comic books famous? A way to escape reality? Haha.

Sumin may have come back at some point to Seju if the torture never had happened but in that situation i could believe the love between them a bit better.

Maybe, but so where is wdtds if there's no drama? xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Right now their circumstances are tainted by the torture. Sumins "love" is masked by hate. Seju's "love" is guided by obsession & control. Neither is healthy to me.

Shouldn't it be what healing story is about? for 10 years, Sumin's love or Seju's love has been like that so what's better than making it stop being blinded by those things and started to heal? If their love has nothing to fix, if it's just 2 people who has broken up and walked away from each other or they're just mere friends with benefit till new love comes along, there would be no need for healing =)))))))). So how about making it healthy for the sake of "healing" story? Well, I believe the base of healing thing in this story is exactly what people called unhealthy or toxic, anyway =)))), whatever tangles between Seju and Sumin is what makes this story anyway, for Sungji to have her role in this mess =)))))

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joined Mar 21, 2017

yoonie0104

You bring up some good counter-points :)

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Capture_89_1
joined Apr 28, 2016

yoonie0104

You bring up some good points :)

Haha, maybe, I agree that TG can go either way for the ending but I lean more to the easier ending =))))), which I've said multiple times. However, personally, I think the ultimate healing should be solving the mess that is SejuxSumin's relationship, and not with just Sumin finally loves again or happy again with Sungji xD, after all, that mess was what is the beginning of the story so it's only fair solving it is the ending of the story xDDDDDDDDDD, but well, I'm fine with whatever ending =))))), as long as that's a fair ending =)))))))))))

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Cveoz_lueaab1ln
joined Feb 5, 2016

I don't trust him at all.

I trust him. If only he were a little younger, I would have shipped him with ... lol

016
joined Mar 21, 2017

yoonie0104

You bring up some good points :)

Haha, maybe, I agree that TG can go either way for the ending but I lean more to the easier ending =))))), which I've said multiple times. However, personally, I think the ultimate healing should be solving the mess that is SejuxSumin's relationship, and not with just Sumin finally loves again or happy again with Sungji xD, after all, that mess was what is the beginning of the story so it's only fair solving it is the ending of the story xDDDDDDDDDD, but well, I'm fine with whatever ending =))))), as long as that's a fair ending =)))))))))))

Nothing can ever be as unsatisfying as the ending of the last TV show i watched lol.

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joined Feb 4, 2017

^
I bet the good guys won XD

016
joined Mar 21, 2017

^
I bet the good guys won XD

Haha nah the two main characters died.

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joined Feb 4, 2017

^
imagine if that happened to WDTFS XD

Capture_89_1
joined Apr 28, 2016

^
imagine if that happened to WDTFS XD

TG's house should be under fire, literally xDDDDDD

Capture_89_1
joined Apr 28, 2016

I don't trust him at all.

I trust him. If only he were a little younger, I would have shipped him with ... lol

Sumin? lolllllllll

016
joined Mar 21, 2017

Killing off your main characters can be a risky move. But in the end we all will die eventually ; )

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joined Dec 9, 2014

I don't believe that love is eternal, i think that's just romantic idealism.

I disagree.

Cveoz_lueaab1ln
joined Feb 5, 2016

I don't trust him at all.

I trust him. If only he were a little younger, I would have shipped him with ... lol

Sumin? lolllllllll

Correct!!! He gave her a scar of love. lol (I'm feeling vormiting from lying this much (x . x) )

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joined Feb 4, 2017

I don't believe that love is eternal, i think that's just romantic idealism.

I disagree.

me too.

016
joined Mar 21, 2017

I don't believe that love is eternal, i think that's just romantic idealism.

I disagree.

me too.

I didn't really expect anyone to agree with me lol.

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