Because there are fewer manga that depict actual, genuine consent than otherwise. I have never actually read any of the scans tagged rape so I have no idea what "criteria" is used, but from what I've seen of content not tagged with rape, it is definitely used sparingly, and most certainly not used realistically (I'll spare everyone a lecture in rape myths).

I mean sure, people can write, draw or read whatever fetishes or questionable content they want. I'm not against that (although even rape fetishes require discussion, pre-planning and, gasp, consent! which could use a lot more representation, but that's the fault of no-one here), which is why I'm not asking for >50% of all the mature content on this site be tagged rape, but the much simpler request to just add a simple tag for those of us looking for more true-to-life depictions of relationships.

Like, seriously. It's not even like the characters are changing their mind in the middle of things, it's almost always quite clearly the very first thing they say when touched/kissed/etc.

"No" means no. Going ahead anyway? Yeah that's rape.
"NO!!" yelled at the top of one's lungs. Probably rape.
"STOP!!" screamed loudly. Pretty sure that's rape.
"Please..I'm begging you...Stop" (direct quote) ...Seriously?

And yeah, it's kinda gross seeing rape over and over and over and OVER.

In fact, it's gross in the exact same way that scat is gross to people who aren't into it. Scat just happens to not be as popular as rape.

BUT.
Scat is just a fantasy, just like rape (hopefully). In fact, statistics have shown that ~45% of straight men fantasize of being raped, while statistics for straight women vary between 50% - 75% (so many studies on women, so few on men, hmmmmmmmm).

So yeah, I'm in the minority, and I accept that. This is why I'm asking for just one simple tag.

last edited at Jun 4, 2016 12:43AM

TIL, japanese man always, ALWAYS rape their way to marriage.

Stupid tag suggestion, stop projecting and learn how japan has worked for the last decades.

Edit: fuck it, give him his tag, or whatever.

last edited at Jun 4, 2016 3:09AM

TIL, japanese man always, ALWAYS rape their way to marriage.

Stupid tag suggestion, stop projecting and learn how japan has worked for the last decades.

Congrats, you get one troll of the year award

Exclude the rape tag from your search. Tadaaaa.

last edited at Jun 22, 2016 9:21AM

Nya-chan posted:

Exclude the rape tag from your search. Tadaaaa.

According to OP even stuff not tagged as rape most of the times would be counted as rape by law.

Nevri posted:

Nya-chan posted:

Exclude the rape tag from your search. Tadaaaa.

According to OP even stuff not tagged as rape most of the times would be counted as rape by law.

Pixels raping each others is a real problem and I'm glad the law addressed it.

So yeah, I'm in the minority, and I accept that. This is why I'm asking for just one simple tag.

OP wants.. a non-rape tag? That everything DEFINITELY NOT RAPE should be tagged?

Personally, I think "loving sex" or "happy sex" would have been a better suggestion, because I think the point is less about it being "not rape" and more about it being an actual loving situation that both want and understand from the get-go, instead of being tricked or manipulated or unable to resist in the heat of the moment or reluctantly giving in or whatever borderline-arguably-rape-not-rape situations are all-so-common in japanese porn.

And I could understand some people wanting to read something pure and innocent on occasion.

Personally, I think "loving sex" or "happy sex" would have been a better suggestion, because I think the point is less about it being "not rape" and more about it being an actual loving situation that both want and understand from the get-go, instead of being tricked or manipulated or unable to resist in the heat of the moment or reluctantly giving in or whatever borderline-arguably-rape-not-rape situations are all-so-common in japanese porn.

And I could understand some people wanting to read something pure and innocent on occasion.

isnt that the 'Vanilla' tag in hentai sites? That rape and other fucked up sex situations are so common they needed an individual tag to point out the ones with 'romantic' sex?

It's funny when people who like rape porn say it doesn't affect their real-live attitudes at all...and then go spouting rape myths like it's only rape if there's violence, non-consent isn't rape, no means yes, it doesn't matter if they were coerced to say yes, etc

It's also funny when people say it's only pixels yet find pixel feces, pixel urine and pixel guro gross

last edited at Jun 24, 2016 6:46PM

ashleyj posted:

It's funny when people who like rape porn say it doesn't affect their real-live attitudes at all...

It doesn't. That is a fact. It only affects you if you were into raping someone in the first place.

and then go spouting rape myths like it's only rape if there's violence, non-consent isn't rape, no means yes, it doesn't matter if they were coerced to say yes, etc

Nobody said that.

It's also funny when people say it's only pixels yet find pixel feces, pixel urine and pixel guro gross

Matter of preferences and the point was that it is fictional stuff so no point taking it serious.

What was the point of this thread again? To suggest a tag or start a argument about representation of rape in fictional stories? I'd swear it was about tag...

last edited at Jun 24, 2016 6:37PM

People finding it gross doesn't change the fact that pixel poop is no real poop. Drawing can be as realistic as the real thing, doesn't change that in the end, it's just (virtual) ink on (virtual) paper : it doesn't stink, but the sight can still gross people out. Main point to remember though : it's not real, just a visual representation and no poop were hurt in the process of the drawing.

Also, overtagging things is not a solution. As mentioned by others, filter out the rape tag and you should find things that are not rape.

ashleyj posted:

and then go spouting rape myths like it's only rape if there's violence, non-consent isn't rape, no means yes, it doesn't matter if they were coerced to say yes, etc

Nobody said that.

False

instead of being tricked or manipulated

That would be non-consentual, which is rape

or unable to resist in the heat of the moment

Unable to resist is most definitely rape

or reluctantly giving in

Giving in without initial consent or under duress is rape. Just like admissions given under duress or torture are not admissible in court

or whatever borderline-arguably-rape-not-rape

And there's the rape denial.

As I've said before though, rape-play irl, including any of the above, is fine with planning and consent, not do I have anything against art rape, something you clearly chose to ignore.

It's also funny when people say it's only pixels yet find pixel feces, pixel urine and pixel guro gross

Matter of preferences and the point was that it is fictional stuff so no point taking it serious.

Fantastic non-sequitor. Or is adding a single tag and using the tagging system taking things too seriously? Cause I'm pretty sure that makes you a hypocrite.

What was the point of this thread again? To suggest a tag or start a argument about representation of rape in fictional stories? I'd swear it was about tag...

YOU are the one who derailed this from

I mean sure, people can write, draw or read whatever fetishes or questionable content they want. I'm not against that

Into

Pixels raping each others is a real problem and I'm glad the law addressed it.

last edited at Jun 24, 2016 7:20PM

People finding it gross doesn't change the fact that pixel poop is no real poop. Drawing can be as realistic as the real thing, doesn't change that in the end, it's just (virtual) ink on (virtual) paper : it doesn't stink, but the sight can still gross people out. Main point to remember though : it's not real, just a visual representation and no poop were hurt in the process of the drawing.

Did you intentionally ignore the part where I said

I mean sure, people can write, draw or read whatever fetishes or questionable content they want. I'm not against that

and

Scat is just a fantasy, just like rape

Or are you just impulsively responding based on the multiple times that this topic gets brought up on the forums by people who actually are saying what you claim I'm saying? The fact that it does discredits your incredibly weak claim of "overtagging" since there's obviously demand, not to mention all the niche tags such as scat, guro, pee, which are not popular yet somehow exist in the vast array of 252 tags and about 4 times that many pairing tags with more added every time a new anime comes out.

And if you'd actually read the post before you replied you would have seen that I addressed the fact that non-consent, which is rape, is prolific in manga here not tagged rape, which I'm not opposed to, but simply suggesting a consensual tag for those who aren't into that.

last edited at Jun 24, 2016 7:43PM

And we do have a "rape" tag. By your logic, we should also have "not pee", "not scat", "not guro" tags and so on. My point is if a tag exits, there's no need for it's opposite as you can simply check for things that does not have such tag.

But hey, by your tone and how you seems to love dissecting posts, seems to me that you just love being butthurt about things. Said what I wanted to say, enjoy yourself. Have better things to do that debate endlessely there, running around in a circle.

But hey, by your tone and how you seems to love dissecting posts

I love how according to you, responding to what people actually say is a bad thing.
And yes, we will continue to go in circles if you make things up and respond to that instead of what I actually said.

And what I actually said is that most manga not tagged rape contains "non-consent" aka rape, so it's easier to just add a tag for consent.

last edited at Jun 24, 2016 7:49PM

99% of jap porn is all about "iya, soko dame, dame da yo♥♥". Just get over it.

Personally, I think "loving sex" or "happy sex" would have been a better suggestion, because I think the point is less about it being "not rape" and more about it being an actual loving situation that both want and understand from the get-go, instead of being tricked or manipulated or unable to resist in the heat of the moment or reluctantly giving in or whatever borderline-arguably-rape-not-rape situations are all-so-common in japanese porn.

And I could understand some people wanting to read something pure and innocent on occasion.

isnt that the 'Vanilla' tag in hentai sites? That rape and other fucked up sex situations are so common they needed an individual tag to point out the ones with 'romantic' sex?

"Vanilla" generally implies no fetish at all. You can have some pretty extreme situations where everyone involved is happy, willing, and satisfied with being involved. So while kind of similar, it's not exactly the same thing.

While I can understand what it is that you're asking for, a consensual tag isn't necessary for the site, as it would clutter up all the NSFW releases that get tagged with it. 99% of anything not tagged rape is completely consensual. The "No, not there!" stuff is just a part of hentai as a whole, and while I can understand that you would want to avoid some of it, a whole seperate tag for it is just overkill.

Only real solution if you want to avoid any of the releases you dislike is to go by the tags and covers. It's usually fairly easy to sense what releases are lovey dovey nsfw and which aren't. 2 random examples would be http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/philia#1 and http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/mio_bares_all#1 .

As for Happy Sex or Loving Sex, while I am very much in favour of collecting those in some way, a tag wouldn't be the best way to go about it. It would probably be best to either make a thread for them where people post links, or to compile a reading list of them.

last edited at Jun 25, 2016 12:36AM

ashleyj posted:

It's also funny when people say it's only pixels yet find pixel feces, pixel urine and pixel guro gross

There's a difference between finding it wrong and finding it gross. You don't have to personally enjoy something to have no actual issues with it. Most of your examples are things I find gross but that doesn't mean I have any issues with them past the personal distaste I have when I accidentally stumble across them.

Nez Note

Since official word has been passed down by the guy in charge of tags, and since the rest of this conversation seems to be running around in circles, I will now be closing comments on this thread accordingly.