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joined Sep 15, 2015

I'm almost positive I know who it is now haha, but don't want to make any false accusations about the people here. Unnecessary conflict (not the same as healthy, long-winded debate), actually gives me the hives. In real life, if I feel the need to confront someone about their actions, they back off quickly -- not so much on the internet lol. I'll probably approach the whole thing with equal parts sarcasm, very intentional ignorance, and silence.

Confronting people in real life and facetoface makes a lot of difference than on the internet.

Natsuki
joined Feb 5, 2015

Like they actually made a post here? I don't know how I missed that. However it's possible I'm not that observant lol

Yes, back in the day, you can find their post somewhere on the earlier pages.

KitKat101

Yes, it was that line. To them, everything Seju did is wrong, and she's not showing any remorse about what she did 10 years ago. lol

Well, that person is just sticking with the fact and what was shown in the story. They probably made that post bc of that.

Yeah, you're right.

Nezchan Moderator
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joined Jun 28, 2012

So I haven't been reading too closely because I've got stuff to do, walls o' text, don't actually read the series, etc., but I'm seeing something about someone being nasty to do with one of Thiaguinho's comments oir something. Could someone confirm my impression that this is something actually taking place off-site?

Acd34ecdb4f42e680ecf6b00cff43477
joined Sep 15, 2015

Like they actually made a post here? I don't know how I missed that. However it's possible I'm not that observant lol

Yes, back in the day, you can find their post somewhere on the earlier pages.

KitKat101

Yes, it was that line. To them, everything Seju did is wrong, and she's not showing any remorse about what she did 10 years ago. lol

Well, that person is just sticking with the fact and what was shown in the story. They probably made that post bc of that.

Yeah, you're right.

They do have a point though even if it went a little bit overboard bc of the cursings. And I kinda agree to this person with the line they stated: " don't make a whole new character just to make them fit your idealized version" or something like that. Pls don't hate me lol

Natsuki
joined Feb 5, 2015

Nezchan

It did happen off-site.

Like they actually made a post here? I don't know how I missed that. However it's possible I'm not that observant lol

Yes, back in the day, you can find their post somewhere on the earlier pages.

KitKat101

Yes, it was that line. To them, everything Seju did is wrong, and she's not showing any remorse about what she did 10 years ago. lol

Well, that person is just sticking with the fact and what was shown in the story. They probably made that post bc of that.

Yeah, you're right.

They do have a point though even if it went a little bit overboard bc of the cursings. And I kinda agree to this person with the line they stated: " don't make a whole new character just to make them fit your idealized version" or something like that. Pls don't hate me lol

Actually, if you take out the cursing, the person do have a point, but the way it was delivered that was rather unpleasant.

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joined Mar 8, 2014

I'm not really sure but I think Nami wants to help both Seju and Sumin. I think she likes Seju so she wants to pursue her but I also think she wants to keep her away from Sumin because she thinks she's gonna cause her problems.

Nezchan Moderator
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joined Jun 28, 2012

Nezchan

It did happen off-site.

Confusion averted!

joined Feb 4, 2016

Oh, well. It took me 10 mins to find out who you guys are referring to. And another 5 mins to confirm my hunch is right, lol. Hahaha.

I actually really enjoy being in this forum because most of you guys are cool and level-headed to keep the discussion healthy, and confronting each other opinion without the need to attack the person.

Llamanewp
joined Mar 17, 2016

Oh, well. It took me 10 mins to find out who you guys are referring to. And another 5 mins to confirm my hunch is right, lol. Hahaha.

I actually really enjoy being in this forum because most of you guys are cool and level-headed to keep the discussion healthy, and confronting each other opinion without the need to attack the person.

Lol I'm on my phone and at work so I can't really look, I tried to but my co-worker complained that I wasn't talking to her enough on our IM at work so I didn't get far lol.

I think this forum is great, everyone on here is really awesome and yeah no one attacks anyone so that is an added bonus lol.

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joined Dec 9, 2014

Honestly, I can understand why people think Seju is a bitch. I don't agree that she has done nothing wrong. In fact, even though I agree with T-sama's most posts, I dissagree about the last chapter that Nami and Seju's actions are justified.
Everyone has some short of trauma in their lives, that doesn't purify their actions. Going by this logic, everyone is a good person in this world, including murderers etc, because they most likely have been abused too when they grew up.

But this is the first time that I've felt so much aggression and being personally attacked by some fans in a fandom.
I don't know who you guys talk about, but I've visited some other forums about WDTFS, and being a Seju fan, is like being the devil.
This is the only site I visit now, and thank god everyone in here respects each other's opinions and different Teams. I hope we can stay friendly and when we dissagree we do it civilized and not make people feel bad for having a different taste/opinion. :)

Thiaguinho-sama
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joined May 11, 2012

I'm at work so just a quick reply, Fate/Stay Night anime was not very good, but you can't say it was bad, unlike Tsukihime anime that was horrible, if you really want to see their story you need to play their Visual Novel that are very good.

As for the rest of the discussion, she's not Lord Voldermot so I don't see why we can't say we're talking about Voldemort, for those who want to see what she said just go see her tumblr, just scroll down a bit and you'll see it, I'm thinking on my reply but I can't make it for now so you guys have to wait, but what I can say is that it's easy for Voldemort to attack us in a place where we can't defend ourselves and where all her followers will agree with her.

Also, she and her followers are basically talking and attacking us in there, guess it's easier than come here and make an argument, bet they will talk about this post I just made too.

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Nezchan Moderator
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joined Jun 28, 2012

I'm at work so just a quick reply, Fate/Stay Night anime was not very good, but you can't say it was bad, unlike Tsukihime anime that was horrible, if you really want to see their story you need to play their Visual Novel that are very good.

As for the rest of the discussion, she's not Lord Voldermot so I don't see why we can't say we're talking about Voldemort, for those who want to see what she said just go see her tumblr, just scroll down a bit and you'll see it, I'm thinking on my reply but I can't make it for now so you guys have to wait, but what I can say is that it's easy for Voldemort to attack us in a place where we can't defend ourselves and where all her followers will agree with her.

Also, she and her followers are basically talking and attacking us in there, guess it's easier than come here and make an argument, bet they will talk about this post I just made too.

Dude, don't sit around and call people out. It's rude, and pointless. If they wanna say stuff offsite that's their business, but don't drag it over here, k?

If you want a feud, do it somewhere else.

Acd34ecdb4f42e680ecf6b00cff43477
joined Sep 15, 2015

Dude, don't sit around and call people out. It's rude, and pointless. If they wanna say stuff offsite that's their business

And this is why we don't drop names.

Also, she and her followers are basically talking and attacking us in there, guess it's easier than come here and make an argument, bet they will talk about this post I just made too.

Just to be on the clear, not all of her followers are talking and attacking Seju fans. I admit I'm one of her followers but you don't see me talking shit about somebody else's post just bc they ship or they like a certain character different from mine.
So yea, I don't mean to start a war, but don't generalize that her followers are doing things like what you mentioned earlier. You might want to add some in it :>

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Nezchan Moderator
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joined Jun 28, 2012

Dude, don't sit around and call people out. It's rude, and pointless. If they wanna say stuff offsite that's their business

And this is why we don't drop names.

Other than Candlejack, that is.

Oh, shi-

Acd34ecdb4f42e680ecf6b00cff43477
joined Sep 15, 2015

Dude, don't sit around and call people out. It's rude, and pointless. If they wanna say stuff offsite that's their business

And this is why we don't drop names.

Other than Candlejack, that is.

Oh, shi-

Oh damn. You messed up. Lol
Who is that Candlejack anyways ??

Llamanewp
joined Mar 17, 2016

Dude, don't sit around and call people out. It's rude, and pointless. If they wanna say stuff offsite that's their business

And this is why we don't drop names.

Other than Candlejack, that is.

Oh, shi-

Oh damn. You messed up. Lol
Who is that Candlejack anyways ??

Candle Jack from Freakazoid I think?

Tofu
joined Feb 8, 2016

Lol I was away while all the name dropping happened :( somebody do it again haha

Acd34ecdb4f42e680ecf6b00cff43477
joined Sep 15, 2015

Lol I was away while all the name dropping happened :( somebody do it again haha

Too bad you missed it. Hahaha

Tofu
joined Feb 8, 2016

Somebody at least link the tumblr so I can go huff about it there. I won't say another word of it on here lol

Thiaguinho-sama
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joined May 11, 2012

Nezchan
Well most of us know who were talking about and that person knows were talking about her, so I don't see why we should continue with this, but since it's how you want things I'll continue with it, sorry if it causes any problem, I won't do it anymore.

KitKat101
Yeah you're right, I shouldn't generalize, had to write in a hurry since I was at work so didn't notice it, not a excuse though, sorry if I offended. (T^T)

dofudofu
Well, I won't say it again or give the tumblr, but if you go read first pages of the thread you can guess who it is, the tumblr is the name of the person, so it's not hard to discover who it is and it's tumblr.

Llamanewp
joined Mar 17, 2016

dofudofu Lol it was linked but then it was changed

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Nezchan Moderator
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joined Jun 28, 2012

dofudofu Lol it was linked but then it was changed

Nonsense, it was always Voldemort.

Tofu
joined Feb 8, 2016

Lol okay okay I got it. Don't need to look that far into it considering I know what happens to the FF thread on a bad day. Kisses, folks.

halmoni Uploader
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joined Jan 6, 2015

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It's already pretty clear they're scared to take on Thiaguinho-sama face-on lol. I don't blame them though; have to roll up those sleeves and dig your heels in to face those "walls of text" hehe

It's pretty sad that some people here have no idea who I am or why I chose not to reply on this site lmao

If anyone wants to confront me or have a logical discussion then feel free to message me on my tumblr; it's not that hard.

But yeah have fun circlejerking yourselves in this little corner while talking shit about me cause I really don't give a fuck

Thiaguinho-sama
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joined May 11, 2012

Now about the story, even if Seju haters use only facts, we can't forget that the story is from Sumin point of view, we barely know anything about Seju, most of the things we have is speculation.

About Seju feeling guilty, I don't remember very well but if I'm not mistaken she does feel guilty for the cheating, but that was 10 years ago so it doesn't matter that much anymore, I do agree that she probably doesn't feel guilty for telling the redhead fiance about what she was doing, now for sleeping with Nami there's nothing for her to feel guilty about, they're both two single and adults, their reasons are questionable, but what they're doing is not wrong, also, Seju haters talk about her not feeling guilty for those 3 things, but they completely ignore that even if she doesn't feel guity for any of them, Sumin hurt Seju on purpose for the last 10 years and never felt guilty for that either, one is not better than the other.

Now about Seju doing something wrong or not, yeah I don't think she did anything wrong, her reason for telling the redhead husband about the cheating and why she's going sleep with Nami might be wrong depending on how you see things, but it's very arguable if doing those things are wrong, but there's a catch in that, I say the same for Sumin, I don't think she did anything that is really is wrong and we can argue if they are or not, what I see is two characters with lots of baggage doing questionable or shitty choices, but I don't see that as they're doing bad or wrong things, maybe I was not clear, but I don't believe in black and white morality/thinking, I believe that some actions can be both good and bad at the same time or neither, so yeah, I don't think they did anything bad or wrong, but that doesn't mean I think what they did can automatically be considered good or right, but I guess it's imposible for Seju haters to understand that since for them it's all black and white, Seju = evil and Sumin = good, which is stupid since that's not how the story is.

Now about idealizing Seju, sorry but at least I never did that, all I'm doing is trying to see both characters in a neutral way, maybe I'm being too generous and seeing than as too good, I won't deny that, but one is definitely not bad than the other, why one need to be good and the other bad? That's nonsense, the biggest problem when they say that is that it's completely hypocritical, from the start they outright demonized Seju and you can see that in old posts on this very thread, maybe we're wrong, true, but that doesn't make them right either.

On my opinion there's two ways to see the story, either you see both Seju and Sumin as two people who did bad and wrong choices, or see them as two damaged humans with lots of baggage and problems who do questinable choices because they can't let go of the past, I don't really mind that Seju haters don't like her, I understand their arguments, my problem with them is that most think Seju is evil while Sumin is a saint who never did anything wrong even though the story made very clear that neither is better than the other, cause it's very easy to see Seju as evil and manipulative when you outright ignore Sumin side of the story and try to make mental gymnastics to justify anything she does while there's no justification for what Seju does.

About discussions in other places, I noticed that most places doesn't have real discussions, instead it's a war between people divided between pairings or about those who hate a character against those who like the character.

halmoni
Well, I never talked shit about you, I might not agree with you, but I never tried to offend you in any way, if you did felt offended sorry then, cause it was not my intention, making a discussion on your tumblr is not fair because that is your domain, so it need to be in a neutral place like Dynasty.

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