Yay transmisogynistic tropes. Why can't we have manga with actual trans girl lesbians, so many missed opportunities.

Man, what is this nonsense? Can't we yuri fans enjoy a series without the danger of having it being invaded by guys dressed as girls?

I blame whoever added the yuri tag.

Man, what is this nonsense? Can't we yuri fans enjoy a series without the danger of having it being invaded by guys dressed as girls?

I blame whoever added the yuri tag.

Well, to be fair, it's not like you could guess if you didn't know beforehand. I blame artists who just draw a pretty girl character, then decide that "hey, it's actually a boy !" :/

If at least Liz looked slightly masculine, or androgynous enough, wouldn't feel too out of the blue, but the design is totally of a girl. ><

Yay transmisogynistic tropes. Why can't we have manga with actual trans girl lesbians, so many missed opportunities.

Oh well, at least we'll always have Ayumi and Aika.

Man, what is this nonsense? Can't we yuri fans enjoy a series without the danger of having it being invaded by guys dressed as girls?

I blame whoever added the yuri tag.

Well, to be fair, it's not like you could guess if you didn't know beforehand. I blame artists who just draw a pretty girl character, then decide that "hey, it's actually a boy !" :/

If at least Liz looked slightly masculine, or androgynous enough, wouldn't feel too out of the blue, but the design is totally of a girl. ><

It's not this author's fault. Almost all trap characters always look exactly like girls.

Hence why I wrote "artists" in plural. Wasn't talking about that peculiar one.

Of course, not saying those char should look all bulky the way we sometimes see in some comical mangas, but there's a way to draw a character with a more "boyish" outlook rather than go full girl and then says she have a dick. :/

I'm reading AKB49 and the trap looks like a really masculine girl design wise. But there's the superman effect of wearing glasses when in Clark Kent form: when he wears a wig, none thinks he's a boy. And everyone seem to overlook the fact that "she" got no boobs and an Adam's apple.

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I'm reading AKB49 and the trap looks like a really masculine girl design wise. But there's the superman effect of wearing glasses when in Clark Kent form: when he wears a wig, none thinks he's a boy. And everyone seem to overlook the fact that "she" got no boobs and an Adam's apple.

AKB49 is one of exceptions. It was establish in first chapter that he is pretty feminine and even idols mistaken him for one of the girls when he was in disguise. When girl grabbed him thinking it's friend, she did say "you are too flat chested to be xxx" (it was ages when i read that I don't remember names) and there are girls who does have Adam's apple so.

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I actually like traps ..So seeing people get pissed when they realise its a guy, is funny to me.
A guy?! kill it!

Ahem..well besides that. I can't help but wonder where they are..And why the girls just suddenly "return to the earth"

And it being from Hachimitsu-Scans ..you can't really be THAT surprised about it :3

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Just gonna throw out there that personally, I really fucking hate the word "trap".

Trans girls get a hell of a lot of splash damage from the word, and the joke that it represents.

Still better than drag queen.

And there's no such thing as trans girls. To me they are just girls.

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And there's no such thing as trans girls. To me they are just girls.

I think a heterosexual guy who dates a girl like her would disagree.

I actually like traps ..So seeing people get pissed when they realise its a guy, is funny to me.
A guy?! kill it!

It's more about raising expectations than traps. Part of the issue is that japan still tends to consider that female homosexuality is just a phase that women goes through before settling in and marrying. And a "popular" form of fanservice in many anime/manga is playing the yuri subtext more or less obviously.

Combine the two and you run in anime/mangas that raises up your expectation of yuri happening before crushing it with some het. That made me wary of a lot of titles even when it has subtext and still some male character around, so yeah, I usually feel "safer" when there's no male character around because that usually reduce the risk of a bait & switch considerably.

Here, we're introduced to a character that is basically a girl design-wise, after the girls were chatting about who they liked, said "girl" started kissing and flirting with the other girls all-around the chapters, so yeah, it looked like a yuri one. And then, it's suddenly "oh hey, by the way, I got a dick !"

I read the spoilers beforehand, so I was prepared to it, but I still can understand why people who avoided the comments or spoilers before those chapters got annoyed at this turn of event.

And there's no such thing as trans girls. To me they are just girls.

I think a heterosexual guy who dates a girl like her would disagree.

Aaaaaand we're into the awful. Let's not go there, please.

As to the "they are just girls", yes they are. But they also get their own special brand of shit in addition to the shit girls in general get so the qualifier is useful in this case. A trans girl is still a girl regardless of the "trans" in the same way a blue candy is still a candy regardless of the colour, but it can still be useful to use the term for various purposes.

Like who? And I suppose it can't be totally ignored, but some het guys are able to make the effort.

In my ideal world, it wouldn't even be worth mentioning, except as a valid reason for not being able to bear child. But this world is far from ideal, sadly.

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Just gonna throw out there that personally, I really fucking hate the word "trap".

Trans girls get a hell of a lot of splash damage from the word, and the joke that it represents.

I'm agreeing to certain extent. I never thought about trap term as negative. To me it means boy who looks like girl and likes to cross-dress because he enjoys people mistaking him for girl so he can troll people. Just trap=transvestite or something. If use towards true transgender person then yes, but idea itself is neutral to me as guy in question doesn't dislike it.

Trans girls get a hell of a lot of splash damage from the word, and the joke that it represents.

I'm agreeing to certain extent. I never thought about trap term as negative. To me it means boy who looks like girl and likes to cross-dress because he enjoys people mistaking him for girl so he can troll people. Just trap=transvestite or something. If use towards true transgender person then yes, but idea itself is neutral to me as guy in question doesn't dislike it.

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Just gonna throw out there that personally, I really fucking hate the word "trap".

Trans girls get a hell of a lot of splash damage from the word, and the joke that it represents.

I'm agreeing to certain extent. I never thought about trap term as negative. To me it means boy who looks like girl and likes to cross-dress because he enjoys people mistaking him for girl so he can troll people. Just trap=transvestite or something. If use towards true transgender person then yes, but idea itself is neutral to me as guy in question doesn't dislike it.

Well yeah, it's easy for you to see it as neutral because, well, it doesn't really affect you. The problem is that it really portrays crossdressers (and by extension transgender people who also dress in "opposite" clothing) as doing it to fool people. That's basically the joke behind the word, it's like "You thought you were getting a woman, but SURPRISE!" Kinda sucks that this manga seems to be doing the same "what a twist" thing.

I've honestly seen the word used to attack trans folks way too many times to be able to see it as neutral any more.

I should add here that I'm not banning it or speaking in an official capacity as moderator or anything. It's just me, Nezchan, who just plain Doesn't Like It.

And I take back what I said about this manga at first. The mention of dicks made me frown, but this is getting pretty intense and it stirs all kind of emotions. Like any good manga should.

And I don't think Liz is pushed as a trap by the author. He's sincerely shocked by the situation and reveals himself because he wants Sakura to understand things.

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Still better than drag queen.

And there's no such thing as trans girls. To me they are just girls.

Hm. Not sure I would necessarily agree to be honest.* To me drag queens are performers who use that term to express the type of performance that they specialise in. Drag kings are male acts, drag queens female acts, and in both cases some of the performers are straight cis females / straight cis males. The term itself is not really derogatory.

I agree with Nezchan's assessment that the term "trap" carries some unpleasant connotations though. First and foremost of course the very strong implication of intentional deceit. That sort of thinking has actually gotten transwomen killed, as their potential partners saw them as trying to trick them (and don't get me started on the fact that some countries / states actually accept that as a frigging legal defence, both in the case of homosexuals and trans* people).

That being said, I still enjoy the heck out of Prunus Girl and adore Sazanami Cherry. So while I dislike the term, I do prefer it to many an alternative that authors / scanlators might use.

*with the first statement, the second sentence I would like to bold, highlight, and add a dozen "agree" stamps all over.

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Well yeah, it's easy for you to see it as neutral because, well, it doesn't really affect you.

Actually it affects me a lot. That is why I said I somewhat agree. I see how it can be used to offend but I myself never see or use it that way.

I agree with Nezchan's assessment that the term "trap" carries some unpleasant connotations though. First and foremost of course the very strong implication of intentional deceit. That sort of thinking has actually gotten transwomen killed, as their potential partners saw them as trying to trick them (and don't get me started on the fact that some countries / states actually accept that as a frigging legal defence, both in the case of homosexuals and trans* people).

Ah, the Trans Panic defense. It's got a lot of murderers off the hook over the years, and in a lot of places even in "tolerant" North America, it still does.

So is there a reason this is still being tagged as yuri?