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45146235_746277355746718_170304489897590784_n
joined Dec 19, 2016

I like where this things are going, both competitor have enough background/reason to love Touko.
I just hope that this series don't last for too much chapters, like, say, citrus. Fucking cancer

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

For crying out loud, people pretend they see the deeper meaning of imagery, but then interpret the superficial idea of "suicidal" into it... That would be the obvious metaphor rather than the deep one and thus wrong.
It's like when people see the tarot card Death XIII and think it means literally death. It's about a new journey.

You're right I guess… rather than "arrogant" I should have said "disrespectful", in that it shows a lack of trust in people she knows. That's also what Sayaka means by "Don't look down on me."

Yeah I can definitely see that.


PS: Just saw that ridiculous new polyamory suggestion. Come on, just pairing up characters for the sake of having them paired up is terrible writing and not something Nakatani would do. There is sooo much wrong with thinking wedging Sayaka into the adult pair makes any sense.

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9a905fe6a22b0201f7ade2de48a73f8d
joined Jan 22, 2014

Actually, if the play really WAS meta, then Touko would DEFINITELY end up with Sayaka, since she ends up with her in the play as well.

She does? I thought she ended up on her own, going on to figure out her life.

In Chapter 31:
Touko: "So... Would you go out with me, all over again?"
...
Sayaka: "I can see myself, falling in love with you all over again"

I can't believe everyone forgot how the play ended. She only denied to move in with her, because she wants to try and reconnect with her family, they still got together in the revised ending too.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

She does? I thought she ended up on her own, going on to figure out her life.

In Chapter 31:
Touko: "So... Would you go out with me, all over again?"
...
Sayaka: "I can see myself, falling in love with you all over again"

I can't believe everyone forgot how the play ended. She only denied to move in with her, because she wants to try and reconnect with her family, they still got together in the revised ending too.

Exactly. The play's focus was not on changing her relationships, it was about figuring out who she would BE. The bonds didn't disappear just because they were lost temporarily.

That was a much more philosophycal answer than I expected...

Some may also call it esoteric nonsense or a phase. You're a nice guy BV.

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4bbe1078a9d82bf519de9e5fc56dee60
joined Feb 18, 2018

In Chapter 31:
Touko: "So... Would you go out with me, all over again?"
...
Sayaka: "I can see myself, falling in love with you all over again"

I can't believe everyone forgot how the play ended. She only denied to move in with her, because she wants to try and reconnect with her family, they still got together in the revised ending too.

Haha well, these chapters take too long to be released, and life is busy...It baffles me some people here seem to remember minute details about the story.

I must say I do think the play is already showing the whole story, so I think it will end with a dialogue similar to this one. Now the question is whether Yuu is simultaneously the girlfriend and the nurse (most likely since it's about falling in love with the same person on different terms), or whether Sayaka was the girlfriend all along. I like original endings, so I'd bet on the former but would love for it to be the latter even if it's bittersweet for Yuu.

Qy1n9jd3ivu
joined Dec 23, 2018

The only ever polyamory ending in normal manga, that I can remember is in Honeymoon Salad. It's really tricky to get that kind of ending right (outside of hentai, that is), and it can undermine the believability of the entire series. I seriously doubt that we well see that here.

Yeah, your point is at place, about trickiness to get that triad (Yuu x Touko x Sayaka) outside of hentai. But we think oppose, it would not undermine believability.
Why?
Because Yuu and Sayaka are giving that vibe of very open minded girls (not lightheaded).
Both are very thoughtful. And will think about everything twice as much, before finding and choosing right decisions.

The only problem here is Touko. She gives the vibe of refusing everything possible, and turn away. She must be under the pressures which will make her act, or she will just give up, if pressures are out of her comfort zones. She simply does not know how to free herself.
Her own illusion is to act under the pressures ("becoming" her sister is just her own illusion, moving her to act, but in same time completely blocking her (her real self).

Actually, her opening up to Yuu is surprising, but still, she limited their relationship setting up conditions which are in her comfort zone. Outside of it, she is letting go.
Until she finds liberations of herself, nothing will work here for Touko. She will distance herself from both girls.

And then, there will be Yuu x Sayaka ending together, actually.

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Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Haha well, these chapters take too long to be released, and life is busy...It baffles me some people here seem to remember minute details about the story.

I must say I do think the play is already showing the whole story, so I think it will end with a dialogue similar to this one. Now the question is whether Yuu is simultaneously the girlfriend and the nurse (most likely since it's about falling in love with the same person on different terms), or whether Sayaka was the girlfriend all along. I like original endings, so I'd bet on the former but would love for it to be the latter even if it's bittersweet for Yuu.

It baffles me that someone would make claims on plot points they don't remember lol

That's not it. The play is a mirror to Touko's situation only in the sense of her personalities. It's not representative of the entire story. Yuu/The nurse represents seeing the value of the current her and nothing else. Sayaka/The girlfriend represents the one who recognizes her for her vulnerable and needy side, but ignores the other aspects.

If anything after mindlessly applying that to the real situation, Yuu is the girlfriend and picking the original ending would have assured Yuu got happy. Instead she chooses to change the ending to save Touko from herself and let her be the person she already is, rather than forcing her to be just that vulnerable needy person. Sayaka doesn't even factor into the equation at all. Hence why we cant mindlessly apply the play to the overall story.

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Qy1n9jd3ivu
joined Dec 23, 2018

@HayaH
Why are you referring to yourself in first person plural, rather than first person singular please don't tell me it's that communist meme.

Which communist meme do you refer?

Our reason is personal, not meme, our philosophy of life complicated to explain. Shortly said, we feel us as dual. One side of us is Baby Angel, other side is Tremendous Angel. Who people will meet, depends on them. We don't recommend meeting with Tremendous Angel to no one.

We respect our both sides equally, so we express us through plurality.
There are many other manifestations of duality, some people are genderfluid, some are bisexual, etc.
We express ourselves as trio (three different entities in one), two of us (our both sides) in marriage in one body (compare it with Holy Trinity, it's allowed).
We are married with our body. An inner polyamory relationship (something like mind x body x soul).
We are self sufficient. That's why we think triple Yuu x Touko x Sayaka would work better than couple ending. Speaking from perspective of our joyful inner trio, triad, trinity.
When we thought that we were single, or in discordance with our body, we were unhappy. Our "third party" was repressed.
Not anymore. Nor we'll be unhappy ever!
Life is full of mysteries, and wonderful surprises! Just embracing it is required. An open mind.

Edit: To add, we think that answers are inside of everyone of us.
There are three forms of life on the Earth, males, females, and human beings (any mixture of genders and sexes, like man-woman in body of male or female, genderfluid or transgender, depends on how many feel themselves).

That was a much more philosophycal answer than I expected...

Trust us, our words are not a fruit of some imagination out of mind...We truly passed through many phases, struggling through life, suffering through many levels, until we figured us out, finally setting up the healthy base for all our further developments.
We are very successful now, in everything we do. It's almost two years since we raised from deads, constantly going up, up, up...
This is the truth. Figuratively or literally. But only we know it, how much literally it is...

Be well, BV

Qy1n9jd3ivu
joined Dec 23, 2018

That was a much more philosophycal answer than I expected...

Some may also call it esoteric nonsense or a phase. You're a nice guy BV.

Who called you to interfere and judge, "bug devil"?
Suppose you are one of those smartses who always know better than any person about themselves.

Mind your own businesses and don't express any opinions in names of someone else, and don't throw your worthless judgments into the air, judgments made up from prejudices, which are proving how much valuable yours "arguments "are, and how judgmental you are .

We did not call for desinsection yet, but it's true that every site has some bugs.
Some of them just mosquito levels. That's the damage and ability which they can cause.
So fly away from our sight.

joined Jul 26, 2016

Uwaah...

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Who called you to interfere and judge, "bug devil"?
Suppose you are one of those smartses who always know better than any person about themselves.

Mind your own businesses and don't express any opinions in names of someone else, and don't throw your worthless judgments into the air, judgments made up from prejudices, which are proving how much valuable yours "arguments "are, and how judgmental you are .

We did not call for desinsection yet, but it's true that every site has some bugs.
Some of them just mosquito levels. That's the damage and ability which they can cause.
So fly away from our sight.

Fine fine, whatever you say, you beautiful intellectual butterfly you.
My reply was only for BV and that's the end of this conversation~

Qy1n9jd3ivu
joined Dec 23, 2018

Who called you to interfere and judge, "bug devil"?
Suppose you are one of those smartses who always know better than any person about themselves.

Mind your own businesses and don't express any opinions in names of someone else, and don't throw your worthless judgments into the air, judgments made up from prejudices, which are proving how much valuable yours "arguments "are, and how judgmental you are .

We did not call for desinsection yet, but it's true that every site has some bugs.
Some of them just mosquito levels. That's the damage and ability which they can cause.
So fly away from our sight.

Fine fine, whatever you say, you beautiful intellectual butterfly you.
My reply was only for BV and that's the end of this conversation~

You ended yours, we'll end ours when we finish, you're not our commander.
You are speaking a nonsense, because you were speaking about our answer to BV, what is interfering without being called to interfere. It shows how rude you are.
And it's toxic behavior.
If you are frustrated with your own life, don't pour your bitterness out on someone else.
We are not your boxing bag. And you will not make us swallow your sh*ts.
So find someone who is equal to you, in your rank. We are other category, and don't bother to find which.

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joined Jan 1, 2019

Actually, her opening up to Yuu is surprising, but still, she limited their relationship setting up conditions which are in her comfort zone. Outside of it, she is letting go.

I think that's backwards... Touko is actually pretty self aware, and I think she really believed Yuu "fit" in her comfort zone.

To a point I don't disagree with the play meta but in more of an internal sense... and right now Touko is in a position where she would have to be someone else to "fit" with Yuu 2.0.

Qy1n9jd3ivu
joined Dec 23, 2018

Actually, her opening up to Yuu is surprising, but still, she limited their relationship setting up conditions which are in her comfort zone. Outside of it, she is letting go.

I think that's backwards... Touko is actually pretty self aware, and I think she really believed Yuu "fit" in her comfort zone.

But if it is as you say, why should she set up limits? And if Touko is self aware, she would not want to become her sister. She is aware of own weakness, or vulnerability, but not of herself.
Reason for it is fear of losing someone dear (on which she has no control), so her all choices are connected with things which she can control, or set up limits. That's her comfort zone.
Out of it, she is pulling back.

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

Lol https://mangadex.org/chapter/513032/1

For Touko x Sayaka shippers.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

You ended yours, we'll end ours when we finish, you're not our commander.
You are speaking a nonsense, because you were speaking about our answer to BV, what is interfering without being called to interfere. It shows how rude you are.
And it's toxic behavior.
If you are frustrated with your own life, don't pour your bitterness out on someone else.
We are not your boxing bag. And you will not make us swallow your sh*ts.
So find someone who is equal to you, in your rank. We are other category, and don't bother to find which.

lmao

Lol https://mangadex.org/chapter/513032/1

For Touko x Sayaka shippers.

Classic Canno. Seeing Touko in that artstyle is making my head ache tho (it surprisingly fits Sayaka however) lol

Qy1n9jd3ivu
joined Dec 23, 2018

PS: Just saw that ridiculous new polyamory suggestion. Come on, just pairing up characters for the sake of having them paired up is terrible writing and not something Nakatani would do. There is sooo much wrong with thinking wedging Sayaka into the adult pair makes any sense.

Having some problems with polyamory? It's your problem, not of anyone else, we don't care for your complexes.

Btw, it was not about pairing Sayaka with an adult pair. Many people would like to see Yuu x Touko x Sayaka ending.

What is the problem here? Anyone has a right to ship their own preferences. Silly is making fuss and calling something ridiculous just because it's different of your own preference.
No one is giving you right to spit around on anything what is different from you and yours.
You are not higher than anyone else here who is expressing their opinions. Learn to behave, vanity princess. Your self-made "crown" worths nothing. Your opinions are just as equal as of anyone else, you are not "highness" as you want to believe, in nonsense, obviously.

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Img_0053
joined Sep 19, 2017

oh please.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

PS: Just saw that ridiculous new polyamory suggestion. Come on, just pairing up characters for the sake of having them paired up is terrible writing and not something Nakatani would do. There is sooo much wrong with thinking wedging Sayaka into the adult pair makes any sense.

Having some problems with polyamory? It's your problem, not of anyone else, we don't care for your complexes.

Btw, it was not about pairing Sayaka with an adult pair. Many people would like to see Yuu x Touko x Sayaka ending.

What is the problem here? Anyone has a right to ship their own preferences. Silly is making fuss and calling something ridiculous just because it's different of your own preference.
No one is giving you right to spit around on anything what is different from you and yours.
You are not higher than anyone else here who is expressing their opinions. Learn to behave, vanity princess. Your self-made "crown" worths nothing. Your opinions are just as equal as of anyone else, you are not "highness" as you want to believe, in nonsense, obviously.

Ok, now you are just trying to pick a fight. Jeez.
To make it short, someone actually did suggest that Sayaka should get involved with Miyako and Hakozaki-sensei. Have fun reading the last page again.

Blah blah blah. I have no interest in your hypocrisy or your special snowflake needs. Stay on topic or be ignored. rolls eyes

S-l225
joined Jun 28, 2016

Lol https://mangadex.org/chapter/513032/1

For Touko x Sayaka shippers.

Nice to see that someone is translating the anthology, I was worried I was going to have to wait until someone published it in English. Still going to buy it if/when it comes out though.

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

ironwolf69 posted:

Lol https://mangadex.org/chapter/513032/1

For Touko x Sayaka shippers.

Nice to see that someone is translating the anthology, I was worried I was going to have to wait until someone published it in English. Still going to buy it if/when it comes out though.

That Lyendith, the translator of Ano Kiss, would translate this, is a given.

Qy1n9jd3ivu
joined Dec 23, 2018

PS: Just saw that ridiculous new polyamory suggestion. Come on, just pairing up characters for the sake of having them paired up is terrible writing and not something Nakatani would do. There is sooo much wrong with thinking wedging Sayaka into the adult pair makes any sense.

Having some problems with polyamory? It's your problem, not of anyone else, we don't care for your complexes.

Btw, it was not about pairing Sayaka with an adult pair. Many people would like to see Yuu x Touko x Sayaka ending.

What is the problem here? Anyone has a right to ship their own preferences. Silly is making fuss and calling something ridiculous just because it's different of your own preference.
No one is giving you right to spit around on anything what is different from you and yours.
You are not higher than anyone else here who is expressing their opinions. Learn to behave, vanity princess. Your self-made "crown" worths nothing. Your opinions are just as equal as of anyone else, you are not "highness" as you want to believe, in nonsense, obviously.

Ok, now you are just trying to pick a fight. Jeez.
To make it short, someone actually did suggest that Sayaka should get involved with Miyako and Hakozaki-sensei. Have fun reading the last page again.

Blah blah blah. I have no interest in your hypocrisy or your special snowflake needs. Stay on topic or be ignored. rolls eyes

Ha ha ha, little bug, nice try. This is all on topic what we are writing (except our answer to you when you interfered .

Our personal preferences are Sayaka x Yuu ( if polyamory option fails).
Or Sayaka Miyako. That's something what we already explained

But, we recognize your smug style, so we will not waste our time to be "bugged" with you anymore. We already blocked you on the other site and expected to meet you here as well, knowing that you already have prepared "pawns" here, knowing us for years and where we'll go, in advance.
And attacking us TWICE was not a coincidence (first time about polyamory, second time spitting on our answer to other person)
So, smug, from now on, we ignore you. Fight with air.

P. S. Stop your ridiculous obsession and ambushing us everywhere we go, and using same tactics trying to provoke or revenge. We told you we are not interested in you. Take it in mind finally. Finito!

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45b4e36d555ca184502130f8249354c2--flcl-furi-kuri2
joined Jul 19, 2018

I have a real unwanted feeling that this will have an outcome similar to that of Aoi Hana (not that it was bad, just didn't like it). The characters are, slightly, going to evolve and end up going their separate ways finding their own happiness. That's my prediction anyway, doubt there will be a 'coupled' ending. Still love this series though.

You need to finish reading Aoi Hana.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Ha ha ha, little bug, nice try. This is all on topic what we are writing (except our answer to you when you interfered .

Our personal preferences are Sayaka x Yuu ( if polyamory option fails).
Or Sayaka Miyako. That's something what we already explained

But, we recognize your smug style, so we will not waste our time to be "bugged" with you anymore. We already blocked you on the other site and expected to meet you here as well, knowing that you already have prepared "pawns" here, knowing us for years and where we'll go, in advance.
And attacking us TWICE was not a coincidence (first time about polyamory, second time spitting on our answer to other person)
So, smug, from now on, we ignore you. Fight with air.

What the heck just happened?

At least it's over I guess.

last edited at Jan 4, 2019 12:15PM

joined Jan 1, 2019

But if it is as you say, why should she set up limits? And if Touko is self aware, she would not want to become her sister. She is aware of own weakness, or vulnerability, but not of herself.
Reason for it is fear of losing someone dear (on which she has no control), so her all choices are connected with things which she can control, or set up limits. That's her comfort zone.

She knows she didn't like who she was before. But that's tangential, I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that she's "controlling" because as far as anyone else is concerned she's mainly focused on keeping up her "perfect" act to the point of hurting herself and probably further.

And... if you don't want to call it self-awareness I guess that's your prerogative but Touko can be up front about her limits because I'm pretty sure she knows her limits. Maybe its easier to be sympathetic to Yuu here, but in that sense I don't think she was boxing in Yuu or telling her what to be to her as much as she was telling Yuu what she can't be. And part of my point is that now Yuu has pretty much asked her to be something that she can't be.

That's not to fault Yuu but its easy to be dismissive of or critical of Touko right now and I think that's misguided.

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