I'll be honest, this chapter makes me think a yuri end is even more likely.

Have to agree. Probably the first time yuri has come across as a real possibility in my mind. Very interested to see how all the rest of her sex life was, if that's touched on further (really feels like it ought to be). Because loveless sex is just great.

im going to assume this last part is sarcasm, but with the things i have seen its getting hard to tell

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I'll be honest, this chapter makes me think a yuri end is even more likely.

Have to agree. Probably the first time yuri has come across as a real possibility in my mind. Very interested to see how all the rest of her sex life was, if that's touched on further (really feels like it ought to be). Because loveless sex is just great.

I'll agree with you there, up to fairly recently I just assumed there'd be a noncommital end where she and Ran just keep going as roommates without anything really deep happening. But thanks to this, I've got a more definite feelling about a potential ending.

I'll be honest, this chapter makes me think a yuri end is even more likely.

Have to agree. Probably the first time yuri has come across as a real possibility in my mind. Very interested to see how all the rest of her sex life was, if that's touched on further (really feels like it ought to be). Because loveless sex is just great.

I'll agree with you there, up to fairly recently I just assumed there'd be a noncommital end where she and Ran just keep going as roommates without anything really deep happening. But thanks to this, I've got a more definite feelling about a potential ending.

*le-gasp!

you mean we will have a recent long-running series with yuri the doesn't include forced drama like citrus and actually incorporates it well!? what sorcery is this!?

A thing that comes clear for this is that Keiko has a LOT of issues and her having sex in the spur of the moment was she kind of copying her mother behavior (since implies she was one to sleep around after her marriage ended) with Keiko not fully understanding what is she doing, in that sense, is a pretty faithful rendering on how things are with teenagers nowadays.

And I agree, this chapter makes more than likely a yuri ending.

^ Just for the record, on Citrus the characters are teenagers while here we have adults. Isn't comparable at all. If anything The Feelings we all must endure is one series we could compare this.

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^Keiko was also a teenager when she was going through all this, and the age of the characters has no impact on whether or not the drama is forced, argument is null.

*le-gasp!

you mean we will have a recent long-running series with yuri the doesn't include forced drama like citrus and actually incorporates it well!? what sorcery is this!?

Oh! Shots fired at a big fat target!
Hard to miss.

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*le-gasp!

you mean we will have a recent long-running series with yuri the doesn't include forced drama like citrus and actually incorporates it well!? what sorcery is this!?

Oh! Shots fired at a big fat target!
Hard to miss.

well i could go for the less obvious one but it would probably cause a crapstorm so i wont ;)

I'm also quite surprised this was not a happy stretching chapter. Can this series really survive with three straight chapters focused on actual development? I hope not.

im going to assume this last part is sarcasm, but with the things i have seen its getting hard to tell

Yes, absolutely. Though I do find it to be a very strong story element when used well.

well i could go for the less obvious one but it would probably cause a crapstorm so i wont ;)

By all means, please do.

all right one point for world wide het brainwash.

I don't get having sex just for the sake of saying you're not a virgin anymore, I also don't get loveless sex (i mean i get it, but i don't condone it)

the societal burden placed on both sexes to be experienced in bed is just terrible. though for a girl to be a virgin past 18 isn't as bad as a guy being a virgin past 18, because people label you as some kind of freak that doesn't have a sex drive. (bear with me here, i am a guy, so i have never been in the situation of "female virgin 18+" so if i misspoke or your situation was different, i sincerely apologize, this is just what i have experienced in my life)

I just... the reasoning behind this situation (and others like it that have been mentioned) is just so stupid its painful, even more so because I related to keiko for 21 chapters.... still rooting for her though. i really hope if nothing else she is happy in the end. i would even forgo a yuri ending if she turned out happy.

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because people label you as some kind of freak that doesn't have a sex drive.

asexuals are not freaks.

because people label you as some kind of freak that doesn't have a sex drive.

asexuals are not freaks.

-_- i said they label you as a freak, i didn't say they were. if i thought that i wouldn't be here, and i wouldn't be a social liberal/progressive either :P

just that in my high school life if you were a guy and not sexually active, you were automatically labeled.

^Keiko was also a teenager when she was going through all this, and the age of the characters has no impact on whether or not the drama is forced, argument is null.

Not really, were we follow Keiko's story when she was a teenager then it would be an apt comparison. You could compare Citrus with Prism since we are following the stories of two teenager lesbians but Prism focus on how they relationship impacts with their world while Citrus focus on the relationship itself.

The age of the characters does have an impact since on both series they're written accordingly to their ages, Citrus characters tend to overblown things just like a teenager does and lacking any kind of stable adult figure on their lives they sort things as they go (and can). On Stretch while is obvious that Keiko never fully matured, she does have that stable presence in Ran and her friends, whom being more mature and experienced can sort things out without drama.

^Keiko was also a teenager when she was going through all this, and the age of the characters has no impact on whether or not the drama is forced, argument is null.

Not really, were we follow Keiko's story when she was a teenager then it would be an apt comparison. You could compare Citrus with Prism since we are following the stories of two teenager lesbians but Prism focus on how they relationship impacts with their world while Citrus focus on the relationship itself.

The age of the characters does have an impact since on both series they're written accordingly to their ages, Citrus characters tend to overblown things just like a teenager does and lacking any kind of stable adult figure on their lives they sort things as they go (and can). On Stretch while is obvious that Keiko never fully matured, she does have that stable presence in Ran and her friends, whom being more mature and experienced can sort things out without drama.

Re-read please, i said it does not impact on whether the drama is forced or to put it simply: if the writing is bad it is still bad regardless of character ages

Re-read please, i said it does not impact on whether the drama is forced or to put it simply: if the writing is bad it is still bad regardless of character ages

The writing on both series is pretty good though.

The writing on both series is pretty good though.

^agree

My heart skipped a beat when i saw the het tag
Thank God it was just the long waited flashback chapter

No stretches for this chapter, apparently.

It's chapter 22A, all the stretching is in 22B.

It looks like she's telling her story to someone. Probably Ran.

Re-read please, i said it does not impact on whether the drama is forced or to put it simply: if the writing is bad it is still bad regardless of character ages

The writing on both series is pretty good though.

I disagree 100%. Especially Citurs is badly written.

Guess my thoughts on the latest chapter and whether forced drama has a purpose other than shedding the tears of insecure man children.
I'm not mad at all.
Bad writing ahoy, I wonder what'll be next?
Tragedy or misunderstandings perhaps?

This chapter is not really forcing drama upon us. Just flashbacks showing what happened in the past. I don't see it shoving tears and QQ faces up my ass while screaming "FEEL EMOTIONS, FEEL THE ANGST".

Adult Life and Slice of Life often deliver better drama than Drama, because the very existance of characters in Drama is drama itself, there is no reason for me to care for those characters, while Slice of Life fully relies on character development that help these characters to grow on us.

e.g. Read Miss Sunflower, is has an arc with a short set of flashbacks with an ending you know before hand (or just guess), not a single tear is shown, not even dramatic dialogue, but it delivers it quite well.

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Guess my thoughts on the latest chapter and whether forced drama has a purpose other than shedding the tears of insecure man children.
I'm not mad at all.
Bad writing ahoy, I wonder what'll be next?
Tragedy or misunderstandings perhaps?

Forced drama? The deal about Keiko's past has been teased for quite a long time and we're already over 20 chapters, i don't see anything being shoved down my throat here
Although i do think it would be best if it didn't come out of nowhere and there was a chapter before it to warm us to this one, felt a little like exposition while until now it was a pretty subtle subject

I feel that the atmosphere of the series has changed. If this is going to be a long running series then the author will undoubtably result to further dramafication (tasteful or not), in order to keep the series interesting.
I don't see the point in this chapter, other than to give us a glimpse of what's next. Higashiyama will follow the generic tropes of the "genre".

I suppose having any kind of drama at all is a bad thing?

I feel that the atmosphere of the series has changed. If this is going to be a long running series then the author will undoubtably result to further dramafication (tasteful or not), in order to keep the series interesting.
I don't see the point in this chapter, other than to give us a glimpse of what's next.

What the hell are you talking about? Are we even reading the same manga? "in order to keep the series interesting"?...
This atmosphere (not full-on angsty QQ drama shit) has been slowly introducing since early chapters.

Someone already told you what this chapter (and previous ones that touch the subject (the past)) was:

felt a little like exposition while until now it was a pretty subtle subject

Now, as for:

Higashiyama will follow the generic tropes of the "genre".

Please, share with us your predictions of generic tropes this may utilize. So far everything has been leaning towards the adult life and how it was affected by the past.

You are clearly only here to antagonize yourself (your user name and date of account creation says a lot), throwing nonsensical rambling onto the text box.

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Good day to you Sir

Good day.

Friendly tip: Next time you want to engage in a discussion do a better job backing up your arguments.

Cause teenagers usually have sex for well thought out reasons.

At least they used protection. Which makes me wonder how (if at all) she got pregnant, I'm assuming this was the start of some pretty self destructive behavior from her.

If the dream chapter is any indication, she did go to a self destructive behavior indeed