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Yuru yuri doesn't get enough doujins despite being the best anime of all space and time. This is a treat.
Gotta say though, despite being a heavy kyoukoxyui supporter, this kind of hurts! Chitose would be depressed if she was in this story or if she read this.
That was... actually pretty good?
Man, I hate characters like the Ayano here. "As long as I am with you, it's okay. You can treat me like garbage and play with my feelings, because I love you"
I can't stop thinking that characters portrayed like that are extremely pathetic with no self-love and unrealistic. A relationship it's a two way road. If everything is onesided, it's not a relationship, it's abuse. If a character doesn't have the personality to walk away from an unrequited love, or a cheating partner, they don't deserve respect.
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Ayano basically admitted to being a cuck. wtf
But if yuru yuri was an actual serious series, I could see a lot of the girls hooking up with each other. It could either be dramatic or still be care free and everyone is just poly as fuck (preferably)
If everything is onesided, it's not a relationship, it's abuse.
Sweet dreams are made of these, who am I to disagree?...
I think the Ayano in this doujin is out of character, but that's one take on the whole situation. Perhaps she doesn't mind polygamy! I mean, they could all live happy together. That doesn't mean Ayano has necessarily low-self esteem, even if that seems to be the case right here (or she idolizes her too much).
If everything is onesided, it's not a relationship, it's abuse.
Sweet dreams are made of these, who am I to disagree?...
I think the Ayano in this doujin is out of character, but that's one take on the whole situation. Perhaps she doesn't mind polygamy! I mean, they could all live happy together. That doesn't mean Ayano has necessarily low-self esteem, even if that seems to be the case right here (or she idolizes her too much).
Come on. Even Yui admits Ayano would cry If she knows how Kyouko really feels. I know the real Ayano would never sink this low, but this version of her is not happy, she is conformed. It's different. She isn't strong enough to achieve her true happiness, so she just settled for the scraps. How can you enjoy any character like this?
Was hoping for a Yuru Yuri doujinshi with Yui and Kyouko for months
Got NTR
What did I do to deserve this?
My only real concern is: Does Chinatsu knows? Because if she does, everything is good and all. But if they are doing this behind her back, then fuck that noise
As much as I like Kyouko's character, I can easily see her getting turned on by cheating.
Also built-in to Yuru Yuri is multiple possibilities that involve "log-rolling" or "domino effect." Even if you exempt HimaSaku from the pool:
If Chinatsu/Akari, then Yui/Kyouko, Ayano/Chitose and only Chizuru is left out and she's not a main character. She could do threesomes with Ayano and Chitose.
If Ayano/Kyouko, sadly my favorite pair of all, then Chinatsu/Yui, but Akari has no one, Chitose has no one. Akari and Chitose could get together, or they could each get together with their sisters, or Akari could get together with Rise if she breaks off her teacher/student thing with Nana Nishigaki. Probaly Akari/Chitose would be the best pair-the-spares couple.
Another problem is that, honestly, Akari's best pair after Chinatsu is definitely Sakurako, probably the person that is the most respectful to her in the whole series. In that case you'd pair Himawari with Chitose.
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If everything is onesided, it's not a relationship, it's abuse.
Sweet dreams are made of these, who am I to disagree?...
I think the Ayano in this doujin is out of character, but that's one take on the whole situation. Perhaps she doesn't mind polygamy! I mean, they could all live happy together. That doesn't mean Ayano has necessarily low-self esteem, even if that seems to be the case right here (or she idolizes her too much).
Come on. Even Yui admits Ayano would cry If she knows how Kyouko really feels. I know the real Ayano would never sink this low, but this version of her is not happy, she is conformed. It's different. She isn't strong enough to achieve her true happiness, so she just settled for the scraps. How can you enjoy any character like this?
I just assume she consoles herself occasionally with a hot twin threesome and all is well. You know Chizuru and Chitose would be game.
Eh not sure how I feel about this one, but Yuru Yuri doujins seem to be a rarity so I'll take it \o/
If everything is onesided, it's not a relationship, it's abuse.
Sweet dreams are made of these, who am I to disagree?...
I think the Ayano in this doujin is out of character, but that's one take on the whole situation. Perhaps she doesn't mind polygamy! I mean, they could all live happy together. That doesn't mean Ayano has necessarily low-self esteem, even if that seems to be the case right here (or she idolizes her too much).
Come on. Even Yui admits Ayano would cry If she knows how Kyouko really feels. I know the real Ayano would never sink this low, but this version of her is not happy, she is conformed. It's different. She isn't strong enough to achieve her true happiness, so she just settled for the scraps. How can you enjoy any character like this?
I just assume she consoles herself occasionally with a hot twin threesome and all is well. You know Chizuru and Chitose would be game.
I guess I can't argue with that...
But this Ayano is still pathetic.
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If Ayano/Kyouko, sadly my favorite pair of all, then Chinatsu/Yui, but Akari has no one, Chitose has no one. Akari and Chitose could get together, or they could each get together with their sisters, or Akari could get together with Rise if she breaks off her teacher/student thing with Nana Nishigaki. Probaly Akari/Chitose would be the best pair-the-spares couple.
Yui/Kyouko/Ayano, Chinatsu/Akari, Chitose/Chizuru. There we go.
[...] with Rise if she breaks off her teacher/student thing with Nana Nishigaki.
Nishigaki is for Azuma!!ヽ( `д´*)ノ
Another problem is that, honestly, Akari's best pair after Chinatsu is definitely Sakurako, probably the person that is the most respectful to her in the whole series. In that case you'd pair Himawari with Chitose.
Isn't Sakurako/Himawari the only definite pair of the story, therefore making them untouchable?
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[...] with Rise if she breaks off her teacher/student thing with Nana Nishigaki.
Nishigaki is for Azuma!!ヽ( `д´*)ノ
Oh that leaves Rise for Akarin then! so you can have Chinatsu/Yui Kyouko/Ayano Akari/Rise Himawari/Sakurako Nishigaki/Azuma and then just the Ikeda sisters have no one. Rise/Akari is a great match-up.
My thought: periodically Kyouko and Ayano have threesomes or foursomes with the twins. Not because Chizuru wants Kyouko involved but as a toll that Kyouko extracts for sharing Ayano with Chitose. As a bonus, she picks out sexy Mirakurun cosplays for the twins. Kyouko/Ayano=Raika/Rivalun, Chitose/Chizuru=Kurumi/Mirakurun for instance.
Another problem is that, honestly, Akari's best pair after Chinatsu is definitely Sakurako, probably the person that is the most respectful to her in the whole series. In that case you'd pair Himawari with Chitose.
Isn't Sakurako/Himawari the only definite pair of the story, therefore making them untouchable?
What Himawari doesn't know can't hurt her.
... IT'S JOKE!
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wow its like I walked into the bad part of Fanfiction.net
Interesting. It does make you wonder how the other girls (Akari especially) would react/reacted to the situation.
I do hope Chinatsu is aware of the cheating. It's scummy all around, but even more so if she's entirely unaware
Lol at all the "Ayano is pathetic and conforming". Show me one single panel where she looks like she is suffering, or is sad, or displeased with these arrangements, which she ought to be if she is merely "conforming". She is fully aware Kyouko spends time with Yui, openly talks about it, Kyouko hides nothing from her, to the point Ayano is privy to messages where her girlfriend is arranging another hookup with Yui. And at the very end, Ayano says she likes even this, for a lack of a better word, bad part of Kyouko. "You're a sneaky one", while touching her girlfriend's cheek, as a probable prelude to lewdness, oh yes, she is clearly conforming to hell and back here.
The one who "admitted" Ayano would cry was Yui. First of, by the looks of it, it seems like Yui is unaware Ayano already knows about the whole thing, at least we are not presented with any clue that would suggest otherwise. Secondly, Yui is the only one who genuinely feels bad about the cheating, even though she is clearly unable to stop. Which leads me to suspect Chinatsu is probably the only one in the dark about the whole thing (again, we are not shown anything that would suggest otherwise, and considering how Yui is clearly torn, seems even more unlikely she said anything to her girlfriend). So, my take on this is Yui is the one feeling bad about the cheating, her girlfriend does not know, she thinks Ayano does not know, so of course she assumes Ayano would be hurt if she were to found out. And even then, she did not get much into it, other than one single comment that was clearly more 'shut up, Kyouko, what we are doing is bad', rather than actually talking about Ayano. And how does what Yui says in any way correlate to what Ayano actually feels?
If anything, Ayano and Kyouko seem more like they are in an open relationship, rather than one actually cheating on the other. I mean, is it cheating when her girlfriend knows about the whole thing, does not object, does not look hurt in any way, and the two of them openly talk about it? Again, find me a panel of Ayano looking hurt.
Kyouko clearly enjoys this whole setup, she is obviously in love with Yui, but does not want to risk an actual relationship (according to what she says to Ayano), she likes Ayano (otherwise, why date her), keeps her in the loop, and she does not seem to mind Yui dating Chinatsu (the "putting on a good-girl act" could mean this is not in fact true, but she just looks too chill about the whole situation for me to read it that way, plus, she seemed like genuinely offering to Yui to hear about her relationship woes, which would be strange if she is liable to get hurt by hearing that). Ayano is clearly in love with Kyouko, and I am struggling to see what would indicate she is against Kyouko seeing Yui. Hell, it seems the two of them discussing the whole complicated arrangement lead to a post-end/off-screen sex, so they may even find the whole thing as a sort of a turn-on.
Now, that is not to say there is nothing bad about this, because there is. Even though the two of them seem chill about it, there is still cheating going on, mainly, Yui is cheating on Chinatsu. Kyouko is Yui's cheating partner, so that does not say anything good about her consideration for Chinatsu. Ayano does not seem to mind her girlfriend sleeping with another girl, but she too knows that the girl in question has a partner, a partner Ayano also knows personally. Again, she does not seem bothered by this. Hmm... the more I think about the Ayano/Kyouko pair in this work, the more I like them. I am a sucker for terrible characters, I guess.
Point is, you missed the appropriate character with your description of "pathetic and conforming". In this story, that would be Yui. She is the one who genuinely cheats on her girlfriend, she is the one who feels bad about the whole thing, and she is the one who is trying (and failing) to put a stop to it all.
Chinatsu drew the shortest stick, though.
If Chinatsu/Akari, then Yui/Kyouko, Ayano/Chitose and only Chizuru is left out and she's not a main character. She could do threesomes with Ayano and Chitose.
If Ayano/Kyouko, sadly my favorite pair of all, then Chinatsu/Yui, but Akari has no one, Chitose has no one. Akari and Chitose could get together, or they could each get together with their sisters, or Akari could get together with Rise if she breaks off her teacher/student thing with Nana Nishigaki. Probaly Akari/Chitose would be the best pair-the-spares couple.
Another problem is that, honestly, Akari's best pair after Chinatsu is definitely Sakurako, probably the person that is the most respectful to her in the whole series. In that case you'd pair Himawari with Chitose.
The student council and amusement club don't have to divide themselves into 4 perfect lesbian couples. If you're feeling bad that there is an odd girl out and you have to forcibly pair her with the minor characters, you don't have to! Love can be found at any time, any place. Akari loves everyone anyway; she's never going to be ready for a relationship!
That being said, sorry Ayano x Kyouko shippers, but this pairing is the mismatch here. it's the reason why the eight girls don't pair up together nicely without loose ends, it's why there are odd girls out, unless you want to SEPARATE Himawari and Sakurako, or you happen to avidly support Akari x Chitose (which to be fair, the case could be made, but it's very weak). No offense to Ayano x Kyouko supporters, but they're just the Ayano fanclub, and it takes two to tango. There's simply no chemistry between the two; if Ayano were to have a crush on Sakurako instead, with her acting all tsundere to her and Chitose producing cute yuri delusions of them together, then the end result is the same, only this time they are Ayano x Sakurako shippers now. What I mean is that Kyouko really has done nothing notable to hold up this ship, Ayano is doing all the heavylifting.
Speaking of which, Chitose is essentially the typical Ayano x Kyouko shipper in character form, as she also supports Ayano's romantic endeavors! But deep down, she tragically locks her deep feelings for her friend with fantasies of Ayano's crush becoming realized, because she wants her happy first and foremost. You can see a very solid hint of her true feelings in Volume 13, Chapter 91. While Ayano x Kyouko indeed has the most material by a longshot, don't be fooled: it doesn't mean that they are the OTP! Majority of those juicy moments are Chitose's fantasies after all, they're not "canon" in the romantic sense.
Besides, how can you not see the appeal of role reversal childhood friends?!?! Kyouko x Yui for life!!! Though this doujin really gives that pairing a cruel twist.
I agree with all of the above comment, (shit, ninja'd. I'm referring to UranusAndNeptuneAreJustCousins's comment, not this Yui/Kyouko trash comment) except because Chinatsu has been shown in canon to be kind of a creepy, selfish, obsessive and intrusive person, like when she forcibly kissed Akari, I don't feel terribly bad for her. Heck, it even seems like Yui would only ever date Chinatsu just to get her off her back, not because she really loves her like she loves Kyouko. Yui is as always only faux-mature but Chinatsu can keep living in her fairy tale dream world with her prince for all I care. If Ayano and Kyouko are happy, I'm happy. Of course I'm biased because I've never liked Yui or Chinatsu for exactly these reasons and would happily erase them from the series if their existences weren't necessary for other, more interesting dynamics with better characters.
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Lol at all the "Ayano is pathetic and conforming". Show me one single panel where she looks like she is suffering, or is sad, or displeased with these arrangements, which she ought to be if she is merely "conforming". She is fully aware Kyouko spends time with Yui, openly talks about it, Kyouko hides nothing from her, to the point Ayano is privy to messages where her girlfriend is arranging another hookup with Yui. And at the very end, Ayano says she likes even this, for a lack of a better word, bad part of Kyouko. "You're a sneaky one", while touching her girlfriend's cheek, as a probable prelude to lewdness, oh yes, she is clearly conforming to hell and back here.
The one who "admitted" Ayano would cry was Yui. First of, by the looks of it, it seems like Yui is unaware Ayano already knows about the whole thing, at least we are not presented with any clue that would suggest otherwise. Secondly, Yui is the only one who genuinely feels bad about the cheating, even though she is clearly unable to stop. Which leads me to suspect Chinatsu is probably the only one in the dark about the whole thing (again, we are not shown anything that would suggest otherwise, and considering how Yui is clearly torn, seems even more unlikely she said anything to her girlfriend). So, my take on this is Yui is the one feeling bad about the cheating, her girlfriend does not know, she thinks Ayano does not know, so of course she assumes Ayano would be hurt if she were to found out. And even then, she did not get much into it, other than one single comment that was clearly more 'shut up, Kyouko, what we are doing is bad', rather than actually talking about Ayano. And how does what Yui says in any way correlate to what Ayano actually feels?
If anything, Ayano and Kyouko seem more like they are in an open relationship, rather than one actually cheating on the other. I mean, is it cheating when her girlfriend knows about the whole thing, does not object, does not look hurt in any way, and the two of them openly talk about it? Again, find me a panel of Ayano looking hurt.
Kyouko clearly enjoys this whole setup, she is obviously in love with Yui, but does not want to risk an actual relationship (according to what she says to Ayano), she likes Ayano (otherwise, why date her), keeps her in the loop, and she does not seem to mind Yui dating Chinatsu (the "putting on a good-girl act" could mean this is not in fact true, but she just looks too chill about the whole situation for me to read it that way, plus, she seemed like genuinely offering to Yui to hear about her relationship woes, which would be strange if she is liable to get hurt by hearing that). Ayano is clearly in love with Kyouko, and I am struggling to see what would indicate she is against Kyouko seeing Yui. Hell, it seems the two of them discussing the whole complicated arrangement lead to a post-end/off-screen sex, so they may even find the whole thing as a sort of a turn-on.
Now, that is not to say there is nothing bad about this, because there is. Even though the two of them seem chill about it, there is still cheating going on, mainly, Yui is cheating on Chinatsu. Kyouko is Yui's cheating partner, so that does not say anything good about her consideration for Chinatsu. Ayano does not seem to mind her girlfriend sleeping with another girl, but she too knows that the girl in question has a partner, a partner Ayano also knows personally. Again, she does not seem bothered by this. Hmm... the more I think about the Ayano/Kyouko pair in this work, the more I like them. I am a sucker for terrible characters, I guess.
Point is, you missed the appropriate character with your description of "pathetic and conforming". In this story, that would be Yui. She is the one who genuinely cheats on her girlfriend, she is the one who feels bad about the whole thing, and she is the one who is trying (and failing) to put a stop to it all.
Chinatsu drew the shortest stick, though.
Oh, please, a lot of words to defend an character that dosen't deserve being defended. She is só afraid to lose her "girlfriend" here that she rather be used as a toy. Anyone who thinks like that, both in fiction and in real life is ridiculous.
The LINE "As long as I am with you" displays her conformed personality well. That's not a girlfriend, it's a dog waving her tail to her owner. Só what? If Kyouko was violent towards her, hurt her and demoralize her everything would be fine as long as she was with Kyouko? If so, this Ayano is deranged and that makes her more of a shitty character. Who would like someone with no self-respect?
If this really is an open relationship, then why the artist didn't show Ayano going out with other girls or even mentioned it? Also, Ayano herself agreed that Kyouko is awful, Kyouko never once admits she likes her while Ayano clearly has feeling for her. She is only with her for the sex. Period. She clearly admited she likes Yui more than Ayano. When Kyouko decides to drop the coward façade of not wanting to ruin the friendship bullshit and finally be with Yui, then to hell with Ayano, right? Goodbye to the only thing she had going for her with Kyouko. Why cling to someone that Will give you nothing in return?
Actually, everyone in this work is putrid with the exception of Chinatsu and the worst being Kyouko.
Lmao, the amount of crap you stuffed into Ayano here, based on literally nothing we are shown, is hilarious. Show me the actual panels. "As long as we're together" is literally the only thing you are basing your argument on (and she looks happy in that panel, by the by).
As for open relationships, they do not require both characters to sleep with other people.
Anyway, just a heads up, I do not intend to continue this, because it is obvious we are not discussing what is shown in the story, but personal pet peeves you read into it. Unless, of course, you actually show me the panels where Ayano looks like she is "conforming".
If so, this Ayano is deranged and that makes her more of a shitty character.
I have to stop you right there: a shitty person doesn't mean a shitty character. There is a difference to be made. It's not really important for this story, but I think it's important in general.