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Capture
joined Dec 21, 2016

I thought there will be more closure in regards to their relationship post time skip. Either SU wanted to keep us on suspense or they're just lazy.
And I just found out thật SỰ is a straight, married woman too. No wonder she's really bad at handling the characters.

Not all yuri artists have to be lesbians or bisexuals, thơ a lot are, well some of the best.

Why did you know that Saburo Uta married? :O Wow that's so suprising.. :O

Korrasami
joined Dec 14, 2014

So everything has to be explained, you cant put two and two together?

Yeah I can, problem is that there is no 2+2, it's more like 2X+2Y. It's the most important drama causing event in this story and yet it never once gets explained. It requires you to fill most of it in yourself and even then most of the explanations people have come up make absolutely no sense in regards to character motivations.

@Serenata I'm just surprised you havent caught the irony in that yet.

@Nez Now you're just encouraging me at this point.

Some simple things dont necessarily have to be explained.

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joined Feb 10, 2018

So everything has to be explained, you cant put two and two together?

Yeah I can, problem is that there is no 2+2, it's more like 2X+2Y. It's the most important drama causing event in this story and yet it never once gets explained. It requires you to fill most of it in yourself and even then most of the explanations people have come up make absolutely no sense in regards to character motivations.

@Serenata I'm just surprised you havent caught the irony in that yet.

@Nez Now you're just encouraging me at this point.

Some simple things dont necessarily have to put explained.

Agreed, if everything is explained, i'ma feel like im reading a textbook rather than a manga.

Avvvvvvvvv
joined May 20, 2016

I thought there will be more closure in regards to their relationship post time skip. Either SU wanted to keep us on suspense or they're just lazy.
And I just found out thật SỰ is a straight, married woman too. No wonder she's really bad at handling the characters.

Not all yuri artists have to be lesbians or bisexuals, thơ a lot are, well some of the best.

Why did you know that Saburo Uta married? :O Wow that's so suprising.. :O

She's not, some people were spreading that rumor on another board but it was actually another yuri mangaka.

Capture
joined Dec 21, 2016

I thought there will be more closure in regards to their relationship post time skip. Either SU wanted to keep us on suspense or they're just lazy.
And I just found out thật SỰ is a straight, married woman too. No wonder she's really bad at handling the characters.

Not all yuri artists have to be lesbians or bisexuals, thơ a lot are, well some of the best.

Why did you know that Saburo Uta married? :O Wow that's so suprising.. :O

She's not, some people were spreading that rumor on another board but it was actually another yuri mangaka.

Thank you~~~~~~~ I don't think she could marry SO because I was always following her whole time when begining to read Citrus...

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joined Jun 23, 2017

So, the time skip is 6-8 months but Yuzu still cried like it was just yesterday. everyone has this worried expression on their face while lookimg at Yuzu. I don't want Yuzu to turn into a more darker character but this turn of events will greatly change her view about love.

That is the most hurtful thing, I wonder if it will go into the depression route, if Mei is too much to handle even for the one of the most positive character. Perhaps this could be another way of resolving thing : Mei seeing how much her decision has impacted Yuzu.

For now, Mei is convinced her decision is for the best and that Yuzu is able to get over her and be happy without her. Yuzu can't handle the sadness, does nothing, all of her friends try to cheer her up but don't succeed. They all know what they could do but don't want to see her face. And, what if, best friend Harumin is the one to go see Mei? As in a final confrontation against the authority she was afraid of and prevented her from fully expressing herself; she goes see Mei, tell her what's what and bring her to confront Yuzu face to face...

I'm probably getting ahead of myself. I should keep a cool head and welcome the story as it is!

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Capture
joined Dec 12, 2016

Some simple things dont necessarily have to be explained.

Except its not simple, if it were then Yuzu would have seen it coming. I guess she just isn't as keen on traditional Japanese culture like you guys.

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joined Jan 18, 2016

I guess she just isn't as keen on traditional Japanese culture like you guys.

Actually if you've been paying attention she's clearly not keen at all on this sort of thing. It's been one of her fatal flaws the entire series.

Capture
joined Dec 12, 2016

I guess she just isn't as keen on traditional Japanese culture like you guys.

Actually if you've been paying attention she's clearly not keen at all on this sort of thing. It's been one of her fatal flaws the entire series.

yeah, sure, whatever you say. Just glad that we got it straight that you guys believe that you are more keen on traditional Japanese culture than the characters in the manga.

Since you seem to know so much, if Mei refused the arranged marriage would she be denied the headmistress position?

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joined Jan 18, 2016

I guess she just isn't as keen on traditional Japanese culture like you guys.

Actually if you've been paying attention she's clearly not keen at all on this sort of thing. It's been one of her fatal flaws the entire series.

yeah, sure, whatever you say. Just glad that we got it straight that you guys believe that you are more keen on traditional Japanese culture than the characters in the manga.

I don't believe that at all. This particular character is notably bad at conforming, and in love with a person she probably shouldn't be.

Since you seem to know so much, if Mei refused the arranged marriage would she be denied the headmistress position?

It's certainly possible. There are also plenty of other possible reasons she believes she has to do it, even if she in fact doesn't. Would it kill you to use some imagination? I've never once seen you able to handle a manga with any ambiguity present. It's your kryptonite.

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joined Jun 23, 2017

I guess she just isn't as keen on traditional Japanese culture like you guys.

Well, there's a (really big) rift between young and old people in Japan on the question of tradition and culture, what should be done, etc. She is/was poor up until now. The fact that she comes as a gyaru in the private school is proof enough that she doesn't understand the world she is entering in. It's not much to do with Japanese culture as a whole (which is in two half atm), but more about rich society culture/tradition. Since Yuzu doesn't seem to be educated in the old traditions, she doesn't know anything about this and it probably doesn't make any sense to her.

So if Mei isn't married gramps is going to sell the school to someone else? No, none of that makes a damn lick of sense.

Well, if Mei and Shou refuses to take over, he won't have any choice when the time to die comes.

She can continue the business without having to pump out kids of her own.

She can't if she wants the business to be still in the family. And I repeat, in Japan, a woman SHOULD be married and MUST have kids, it is expected of her - otherwise, she is badly viewed as somebody who doesn't do her duty for the country. It's a very traditionalist notion, but rich people tend to be traditionalist and have everything to gain by maintaining the status quo, lest they risk to lose their assets.

Mei is the only family member left. It wouldnt be about family status and prestige, and will be her status and prestige. She would become headmistress no matter her marital status. Getting married has absolutely nothing to do with Mei becoming headmistress.

If she is the only family member left, she is the family. Grandpa is dying, what he wants the most is to be sure everything he (or his father) has built is going to stay in his family and that his family will thrives and gain from the business. He is the head of the family, if Mei wants to please her family, she has to inherit the school.

She could become headmistress without marrying, yes, but that would be badly viewed and the rich would stop sending their daughters in the school, because "what is this woman who isn't even married doing here in the first place?". With a husband, it would be more tolerable. They could even make the husband as a front while Mei leads the school from the shadow to calm down the filthy rich.

If Mei wants to keep her family prestige and reputation, she has to marry and bear children. In her eyes, atm, there is no other way and bringing Yuzu along would be too painful for the both of them, hence why she selfishly (even if it was selflessly in her head) decided to break up with her step-sister.

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Capture
joined Dec 12, 2016

I don't believe that at all. This particular character is notably bad at conforming, and in love with a person she probably shouldn't be.

You literally just said that you are more keen than Yuzu on traditional Japanese culture despite her being right in the middle of the situation. There is a difference between not knowing and not conforming. She already knows about the family, Mei's dream, and her past ex-fiance. Yet you believe that she's too dumb to realize something so simple.

It's certainly possible. There are also plenty of other possible reasons she believes she has to do it, even if she in fact doesn't. Would it kill you to use some imagination? I've never once seen you accept a manga with any ambiguity present. It's your kryptonite.

Yeah, how dare I want the author to tell me the story instead of me having to fill in the plotholes myself.

Well, if Mei and Shou refuses to take over, he won't have any choice when the time to die comes.

That's not what I said. I said if she refuses to get married, her getting married and inheriting the school are not connected.

She can't if she want the business to be still in the company.

Typo? Last time I checked her dream was to be headmistress, not continue her prestigious family line.

And I repeat, in Japan, a woman SHOULD be married and MUST have kids, it is expected of her - otherwise, she is badly viewed as somebody who doesn't do her duty for the country.

Their declining population says otherwise. The average age for a woman to marry for the first time in Japan is 29 while it's 27 in the US.

She could become headmistress without marrying, yes, but that would be badly viewed and the rich would stop sending their daughters in the school, because "what is this woman who isn't even married doing here in the first place?".

That has got to be the largest grasping at straws I have ever seen here yet. What if her husband died or divorced? Would parents start yanking their kids out? No, that is just absurd.

If Mei wants to keep her family prestige and reputation, she has to marry and bear children.

Well, good thing that she never once claimed to ever want to do that. Her dream was to inherit the school, not support her non-existent family.

Nezchan Moderator
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joined Jun 28, 2012

Cannibal

I don't know if you're honestly stupid or if you're deliberately trolling, and it doesn't matter. Stop it now.

You're so god damn sure you've found this perfect "gotcha" in the fact that the Japanese author with the Japanese target audience ISN'T EXPLAINING THEIR OWN CULTURE TO THEM. Particularly parts of their culture that show up in fiction all the time. Hell, even the western audience here understands this shit; the Japanese audience who reportedly love it definitely do.

So drop it or get another ban. The only person impressed at this point is yourself.

Do not answer this message.

Capture
joined Dec 12, 2016

I'm sorry people talked about things in ways you didn't approve of.

Also, nice. Threaten to ban me again because you don't want me to answer your stupid fucking claim that it doesn't need to be explained despite the fact that the Japanese character in this Japanese manga don't know this traditional Japanese culture like the weebs here.

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Nezchan Moderator
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joined Jun 28, 2012

Bye Cannibal.

See you next month.

joined Jan 22, 2018

@Klice

I think the side characters will be playing a big part on the next arc because throughout the series, Mei isn't the only one who Yuzu has change for the better with her warm personality. I really want to see where Harumin stand on her bestfriend's situation. we do have a hunch that she is just playing dumb because as Matsuri said that Harumin is the type of person who doesn't want to be personally involve with other people's problem. but I don't think she will just watch in silent and lowkey help Yuzu just like before.

I'm still disappointed with Mei's decision and the way she left Yuzu with just a letter was very cruel especially after she admitted on a f*cking piece of paper, how she really feels for her. but I really admire Yuzu for respecting Mei's decision even though she was head over heels in love with her. that's effing true love right there. imo Yuzu is just a really great character.

Nyohohoho
joined Apr 20, 2013

tenoh posted:

I thought there will be more closure in regards to their relationship post time skip. Either SU wanted to keep us on suspense or they're just lazy.
And I just found out thật SỰ is a straight, married woman too. No wonder she's really bad at handling the characters.

Not all yuri artists have to be lesbians or bisexuals, thơ a lot are, well some of the best.

Why did you know that Saburo Uta married? :O Wow that's so suprising.. :O

She's not, some people were spreading that rumor on another board but it was actually another yuri mangaka.

Go figure...So some people were so salty they had to make up stuff to complain about it, worst thing, even if she is married to a man or a woman WHAT THE FUCK does that even matter?, geez. Some people just can't fathom the idea of other people discussing the manga normally.

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joined Mar 4, 2014

Salt levels rising!

I am sorry and I am not sorry

Rin
joined Aug 4, 2017

Oof that was hard to read, seeing everyone act normal around Yuzu but knowing she's still devastated. I'm surprised Yuzu saw the letter and didn't attempt a way to get Mei out of the situation. Or maybe she did and we just won't get to see it for a while.

I have a feeling Matsuri is going to be a major player in getting things back to normal. Although it'd be kind of cheesy, I wonder if she, Harumin and the others are going to step up and help Yuzu out this time instead of it being the other way around for once. Since this chapter focused on them secretly hurting from watching Yuzu pretend things were okay rather than Yuzu herself.

But I wonder why the Tachibana sisters weren't shown at all? I know they're in a different city altogether but maybe just sending Yuzu a text message in worry would have been enough.

Jhkjhk
joined Jan 7, 2014

But I wonder why the Tachibana sisters weren't shown at all? I know they're in a different city altogether but maybe just sending Yuzu a text message in worry would have been enough.

They were in the story just to cause some rucks, not make it go forward or anything. A Citrus classic, if I must say.

%23spartasgirl
joined Jul 14, 2016

Arrrgh!

:slams head on desk:

We
joined Feb 5, 2018

Oof that was hard to read, seeing everyone act normal around Yuzu but knowing she's still devastated. I'm surprised Yuzu saw the letter and didn't attempt a way to get Mei out of the situation. Or maybe she did and we just won't get to see it for a while.

I have a feeling Matsuri is going to be a major player in getting things back to normal.

Ofc she will. That conversation with Nene wasn't random.

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joined Jun 23, 2017

Oof that was hard to read, seeing everyone act normal around Yuzu but knowing she's still devastated. I'm surprised Yuzu saw the letter and didn't attempt a way to get Mei out of the situation. Or maybe she did and we just won't get to see it for a while.

I have the feeling she didn't because she's too kind. Perhaps, not in the same fashion than Mei, since she has little self-confidence, she didn't want to imposer herself on Mei and didn't want to hinder her project, no matter how hard it hurt her.

I have a feeling Matsuri is going to be a major player in getting things back to normal. Although it'd be kind of cheesy, I wonder if she, Harumin and the others are going to step up and help Yuzu out this time instead of it being the other way around for once. Since this chapter focused on them secretly hurting from watching Yuzu pretend things were okay rather than Yuzu herself.

I thought so too, but I kinda want Harumin to be the one ultimately helping Yuzu. It would be like the ultimate proof that their friendship is definitely something special. That said, I think Matsuri kind of give up helping them when she heard about the engagement, so I don't know if she'll do something to make things up again; perhaps I'm wrong.


They were in the story just to cause some rucks, not make it go forward or anything. A Citrus classic, if I must say.

I read on reddit in the anime comments somebody saying that SU could have replaced this story line with any other kind of drama. So the thing we can accuse them of is being kind of generic and forgettable. But they did made thing go forward, in addition to make Yuzu realise she had to consider Mei's feelings, they gave us one of the cutest confession ever.


[...] Mei isn't the only one who Yuzu has change for the better with her warm personality. I really want to see where Harumin stand on her bestfriend's situation. we do have a hunch that she is just playing dumb because as Matsuri said that Harumin is the type of person who doesn't want to be personally involve with other people's problem. but I don't think she will just watch in silent and lowkey help Yuzu just like before.

I can't agree more.

but I really admire Yuzu for respecting Mei's decision even though she was head over heels in love with her. that's effing true love right there. imo Yuzu is just a really great character.

When you love someone, you need to be able to let them go... Yuzu is indeed a very good protagonist of a melodrama - will it become a tragedy at this point?

Giga_animehq_9
joined Feb 9, 2018

I do wonder...does this even have a purpose for this chapter? It's super depressing and I'm kinda wondering what Saburota is planning. Is she planning something awful to the end? Or is there going to be a good ending? Cause this right here...I don't know what to say about it.

We
joined Feb 5, 2018

Ehhhh autor say Citrus will have happy ending..

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