Blastaar posted:

This just speculation on my part (I think this series is hilarious, and always look forward to reading it), but maybe it’s that much of the basic setup looks like a standard (although obviously comedic) schoolgirl yuri story, so people bring those expectations to discussing the characters and their actions.

I agree. It looks/feel too much like a normal story with comedic moments, so people take it too seriously and expect some kind of plot/character progression, when it is obviously focused on comedy between 2 main characters (I love this series and laugh all the time too).

ImGayO-Kay posted:

I think obviously Loli is somewhat related to CP, but its more like...? being attracted to the idea of the victim/master and height difference and power play that CP is known for without scarring a childs life. People are disgusted w real cp bc it involves a real person who is being raped. Whereas Loli is like the roleplay version of that. Similarly people have rape fantasies and will roleplay them with their partners but im 100% sure they arent actually suggesting they want to be raped. ( in my opinion )

All of this has already been said. People who complain about this being the same as real CP, don't care about explanations and reasons. They just want to state their moral high ground.

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kiby posted:

When will the internet stop responding to obvious bait?

Never. Obviously.

h3x posted:

I don't remember which mangaka said it and it goes back to what random said, but basically it goes something like: "I can get behind romance more when it is world where both guys and girls exist. Because when it is just girls, it feels like there is no other option, but when guys also exist, it just strengthen the fact that character choose girl over a guy."

Nakatani Nio.

Right. After writing it down I felt like she was the one.

raichu711 posted:

Well, besides having a grown male vampire who bites a high school girl without permission which just feels uneasy to me no matter how comedically it's brushed off; doesn't matter whether he's gay or not.

Because vampires need permission to bite anyone... I sometimes miss the times when vampires were actual scary and not some teenagers hot fantasies. Also "grown" vampire? Do you really want to go into age-gap thing with freaking vampires xD?

Oh and the BL twists near the end, because let's be honest and just acknowledge that not all yuri fans (if not most) are noble enough to accept BL in their yuri. I'm not.

It is sad, that despite being in the same boat, even gays and lesbians hate each other. Not to mention bi.

Looks like someone has shitty life and tries to run away from reality into fiction. I can understand when someone want to read work that focuses on 2 main characters and their romance without any distraction. And there is plenty of works like that. But unless their chemistry is executed really well, that kind of story is just bare-bones. That is why even most yuri works focusing only on romance aspect have at least 1 supporting character. I personally always found those "all girls school where all characters are lesbians and create couples and they are all friends to each other" very unrealistic. I can still enjoy those stories though. I don't remember which mangaka said it and it goes back to what random said, but basically it goes something like: "I can get behind romance more when it is world where both guys and girls exist. Because when it is just girls, it feels like there is no other option, but when guys also exist, it just strengthen the fact that character choose girl over a guy." I'm not saying all stories have to do it, but to me having a male character can be a actual strength of the work, rather than weakness. Sure, you can make manga with only girls in it, but the matter of fact is, guys exist, so chances of 1 of them appearing in story is very high and I agree that good, well-developed male supporting characters in yuri, are few and far between. So reading any work that actually have one is very refreshing.

I expect you to ignore what I wrote and insult me for some stupid reason like knowing how to write words properly, so I'm mostly writing it for discussion with other people.

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Ryu-chii posted:

Ryu-chii posted:

Hum... that all funny and cute but but what I want to ask is why is that they wear japanese style uniform in the middle of 15h century in France? ? Why ? Someone explain me the logic here. And not even the people around find that weird.

Is that really what bothers you the most xD?

Yeah kinda bother me. I just like when thing have some coherence.

I meant, there is a lot more wrong stuff with it compare to japanese uniforms x3

True , i've noticed , but this one is totaly out of context.

They got girls academy for knights I'm pretty sure japanese uniforms fit into it perfectly.

Ryu-chii posted:

Ryu-chii posted:

Hum... that all funny and cute but but what I want to ask is why is that they wear japanese style uniform in the middle of 15h century in France? ? Why ? Someone explain me the logic here. And not even the people around find that weird.

Is that really what bothers you the most xD?

Yeah kinda bother me. I just like when thing have some coherence.

I meant, there is a lot more wrong stuff with it compare to japanese uniforms x3

glemoyn posted:

I was wondering if anyone could help me with a manga i read a long time ago and wanted to reread.
I believe it was a 4-koma manga, one of the main characters loved dogs, and was very cat like while the other loved cats and was very dog like. I believe their names featured Inu and Neko in some way as well.

https://dynasty-scans.com/series/inugami_san_and_nekoyama_san

EDIT/Shen'ed

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Rye posted:

Nev be out of QP, Nev still gets Bride to 98 and Nero to 100

Well I maxed them before I run out of QP XD

and max bond level lol nice, will be using yours vs Tristan.

Thanks x3 So you're the reason why my saber support was being surprisingly active recently.

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Ryu-chii posted:

Hum... that all funny and cute but but what I want to ask is why is that they wear japanese style uniform in the middle of 15h century in France? ? Why ? Someone explain me the logic here. And not even the people around find that weird.

Is that really what bothers you the most xD?

sorathecrow posted:

schuyguy posted:

I think I'd buy this being canon in the doujin version of Master and Me, but it just doesn't fit with their relationship in the published version.

So there are 2 canons? Doujin and published?

These are like random pics Itou just posted on twitter on a whim. So they probably don't conform to any real canon.

I know, but I'm pretty sure in Itou's mind they are totally fucking like that. We just don't see it. So I wouldn't be surprised if they consider it as something that do happen in canon of the story. I was more surprised of distinction between canon of doujins and published version. I had no idea there is some significant difference between them (as I barely read Itou's work).

schuyguy posted:

I think I'd buy this being canon in the doujin version of Master and Me, but it just doesn't fit with their relationship in the published version.

So there are 2 canons? Doujin and published?

Looking East posted:

would likely greatly cut the number of miss-clicks caused by just rapidly scanning tittle.

Then, idk, maybe don't rapidly scan titles?

Also clearing your browser history is so easy I don't even get why you're complaining about "misclick"

Looking East posted:

You have multiple users miss-clicking on explicit child pornography that they are not interested in

In literally a tiny fraction of the time people have spent wasting their breath arguing over it

Maybe if people actually bother to read title and tags of work they are about to read then there wouldn't be even a need to complain about it in comments section and staff wouldn't need to spend their time fixing something that isn't a issue.

Only thing I can agree on is some information whatever it is canon or not would be pretty good. Then again I bet for Itou it is canon xP

Looking East posted:

I think the reason so many people have miss-clicked this thinking it was an actual Master and Me story by Itou Hachi rather than a random assortment of hentai pictures is precisely because of how its titled.

"Master and Mel OneeLoli Hentai"

I took one quick scan of the new releases, saw Master and Me and just clicked it. I think if you simply changed the order of the wording and titled it OneeLoli Hentai, Master and and Mel would probably seriously cut back the number of miss-clicks.

So, it is issue of order tittle, not the fact people can't bother to read the whole thing first. Yea, let's pander to people's laziness. Lets color all works people might not like red with trigger warnings images all around while we are at it in order to make sure they won't click on them by accident when they hastily browse site for new stories!

Since Itou never intended for these photos to be cobbled together as a makeshift story and certainly did not title the work themselves you should be able to rename it whatever you like.

Except they pretty clearly follow a progression and show a short story of them having sex. Itou might publish them on tweeter, but it doesn't mean they are not meant to be read together. And honestly if it was added as images, there would be no difference as staff would probably link them all together into story anyway.

risingstar3110 posted:

Kids. Back in my days, we will tag something yuri if one girl blush while stare at another.

2 girls in 1 room counts as yuri.

VivianGames posted:

Just to be clear I disagree basically 100% with Nevri about pedophilia stuff.

And here is what I meant. If you are talking about the adult x child relationship I wasn't talking about pedophilia, but you simply conflated those two as interchangeable

Even the most well-intentioned adult-child relationship runs the risk of trauma and putting the child through a lot of things they aren't emotionally ready for. Relationships can be rocky and messy and hard, regardless of who is in them. There's a difference of power to consider as well, not just physical, but kids are raised to listen to adults. Even if you didn't deliberately coerce the child, you'd have a lot more control over the relationship. That's just a fact.

Even if the child might want that relationship too, hypothetically speaking, they're less emotionally equipped to make that decision and to handle any problems that might arise.

Yes, I'm aware of all of that, that is why I said there is a lot things I won't be going into for time sake. I'm not ok with just any kid. To me they have to at least be 14 and clearly have understanding of what is going on. Also important thing is that it is not relationship with pedophile, because then there is no relationship. All pedophiles care about is sexual desire. I was talking about situation where adult is in love with person, not child. They love that person because it is them and not because they are a child. I understand finding balance in that kind of relationship is very hard and matter of having sex is highly debatable, w/e you should wait or it is ok if it's younger one who wants it or is ok with it. Also when I said "abuse" I also meant abuse of power and authority. I concluded making specific distinction was unnecessary, but of course there will always be someone who misses it.

Mind you that is really not my cup of tea. I don't really look for works like that. But if I encounter some and I find it cute or charming, I'm not flipping tables over it. In fact there is one really good here on dynasty. Would I date a child? I'd need to fall in love with them first, which is something I don't see happening ever because I don't find children attractive and I can't imagine relationship with them (and waiting until they get old enough sounds like pain). If child would confess to me, I'd take their feelings seriously, but I'd not date them, even to try out. So I don't even consider it irl (won't judge others for it, if they are genuine about it) and I'm simply ok with it in fiction and my enjoyment of work highly depends on execution and how much I get behind given couple.

I also believe media can affect us without it being the fault of bad parenting. Propaganda works for a reason. Military working with Hollywood has also been very successful at increasing military enlisting in the past. A big part of it is personal biases everyone has, so media that contradicts your personal biases may not affect you much, but media might push you further along a trajectory you're already on. It's complicated.

Yea. I didn't really cover it well enough, I just wanted to address people pointing out media can influence you, but didn't have enough time to properly get into it. I agree there are things that constant exposure to can change our perception of. For example people becoming less sensitive to extreme violence because of video games and movies showing gore left and right (which will always make me wonder how it is ok, but any minor nudity is too far. Apparently killing people in gruesome way is mature, but exploring sexuality will forever corrupt you). It is subtle but it is there. Still I feel like it doesn't invalided general point, as despite many researches there was no found correlation between violent video games and mass shootings (and increase in violence in general) the same way loli porn doesn't increase amount of pedophiles. If you didn't have it in you to murder/rape someone before, media is not going to change that. Of course with proper propaganda and manipulating you could change people opinions, but that would take a lot of time and effort, especially since hurting children is one of few things we are naturally programed to not do (prolonging our species and all that stuff).

LesbianT-54 posted:

What pisses me off is not the fact that someone drew this. While it is fucked up, Itou Hachi is not doing anything illegal. What really pisses me is people saying that reading and enjoying this is perfectly fine.

So drawing loli stuff is legal.
Reading and enjoying it is illegal.

So you can draw it as long as you don't share it??? You draw it just so you can fap to it??? You can read and enjoy your work without it being wrong??? Logic, where are you???

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Media does influence us. That is a fact. But the degree in which it affects us depends on how we were raised. If our parents actually took their time and taught us what is and isn't wrong, then by the time you're adult you should be able to tell for yourself that fiction is fiction and seeing people murder each other in movies or games is nothing more than that, fiction. If instead you parent didn't give a fuck and let you watch w/e and spend your time on internet without ever teaching you anything, then sure, if you learn from media what is and isn't ok to do then you're fucked and might end up not being able to tell fiction from reality. If you were raised properly and still have problems telling those 2 apart, then you have some mental issues. (so I don't have to repeat myself in every respond)

Rosi4567 posted:

Anyway, can y'all actually promise me you don't feel sexual attraction for actual kids?

Not a single bit.

I don't care about what you watch and stuff, but I still think it's weird for someone to feel excited reading this things. Because for example, I like reading romantic mangas bc I'm really romantic myself, so I love seeing characters falling in love with other people and being able to feel identified and stuff. That's why I have never been able to understand the thing you are all telling me. I mean, shows, movies, books, etc are normally meant for a certain type of public, (ex. those typical romantic dramas are meant for teenagers, the historical ones are meant for the people that are interested in history; I know there are exceptions but you know what I mean) so I would like to know why you like reading this things, that's something I can't understand. I'm sorry if I'm making people angry, but I still can't understand why would you like to read this kind of things. That's what I want to know, an actual reason of why do you enjoy this kind of content. (Please don't kill me I'm being respectful :'v)

You see the thing with fiction and porn is that people read it for different reasons. Some people read it because they want to relate to the story, some want to experience certain feelings, some just want to go out of their comfort zone. The point is doing all those things through fiction is safe, because you can stop anytime and you don't hurt anyone. That is the important part. You're just indulging into certain fantasies. What you masturbate to not necessary transfer to what excite you irl. And for a lot of people it doesn't really matter what porn is about. As long as it turned you on it did its job and w/e you would want it during normal sex or not, is really irrelevant at the moment.

Rosi4567 posted:

Listen, I'm really, really sorry about what happened to you, nobody deserves it. The guy that did that to you is sick and deserves to be in prison. But, even though it's harsh, a pedophile can't feel anything romantic towards a child. That's why this whole thing is wrong. It's not how reality actually is, child abuse can't be romantic in any way. I'm just so, so sorry I don't know what else to tell you, since I don't know how it must feel to be abused. But that's the reality, a sane adult can't really fall in love with a child.

You missed her point entirely. That is exactly why she is using fiction. Because in fiction she can create any scenario she wants. Instead of what happened, she can replace it with happy memories. It was someone who loved her. It was someone who cared about her. The entire situation was pleasant. This way it becomes pleasant memories instead of nightmare. And entire reason it can be done is because it is fiction. It not being reality and rather nice fantasies is entire point. Also you are right, pedophile doesn't feel love towards child, but desire. But Master here is not pedophile. Pedophile and loli is used so loosely by people nowadays, that it seems like most forgot what it actually means. Loli is not any child below 18 years old. It is specifically a very young, prepubescent child up to 12 years max. While Mel fails under that category nobody said Master is only attracted to young, prepubescent children. You people jump to conclusions so fast that as long as someone has any feelings toward any child it is pedophilia. Did you ever considered for a moment, Master might be attracted to Mel specifically? That the reason she wants to have sex with her is because she loves her? Not because she is just a child and any child will work, but because it is Mel? And in that context, Vivan putting herself in Mel's shoes works perfectly, because it is sex between 2 loving people who both consent to it and want it.

Yes, I think child can be mature enough to consent, there is a lot things I won't be going into right now, but as long it is healthy relationship without any abuse I don't mind, especially when it is some fictional story. Honestly guys. Do you all read Itou's works constantly thinking how terrible and awful Master (and other adult characters) is because she is totally pedo and want to rape children. Sure they have cute pure relationship now and she clearly care about Mel, but that is all the facade. In her mind she constantly wants to fuck children and Mel is just only current one she is indulging with. Why do you think Master's personality would get a 180 degree molester turn over in hentai version of them?

Dayominator posted:

It's not about distinguishing fiction from reality. It's that people don't understand there are many others out there who see this as justification of their feelings towards those who are underage DESPITE it being fiction.

That is the same thing. People who read/see something book/movies/games and goes "they say it is ok to do there, so I'll do it!" are people who can't tell fiction from reality. In fact I'm curious how you so surely know they knew it was fiction and yet still acted on those desires despite it, since it wasn't really confirmed anywhere. If it was, there would be tones of articles about it. Also next thing you are forgetting, w/e pedophile saw it in the hentai or not, we are still human beings. We are supposed to be able to control our desires. If someone is not able to hold themselves from raping a child, then that is not fiction's fault. Also of course, those people are very tiny majority. Do you really want to dictated everyone else based on such small group of people? That is basically giving pedophiles power to rule everyone else. If someone is incapable of stopping themselves, they will get triggered by something sooner or later. Removing lolis doesn't guarantee they won't simply see something else, so in the end it is futile.

Dayominator posted:

Also, being gay is not something you choose, therefore cannot be influenced, I don't even know why that was brought up that's downright offensive for you to even suggest.

And yet so many people in politics and media do everything in their power to censor any signs of homosexuality in children cartoons, because it might corrupt them and make them gay by exposing them to mere idea.

Also being a pedophile is not something you choose. It is a freaking sexual attraction to children. I wonder when that part will finally get across.

auikimaya posted:

By its very definition, child porn is abuse, since no child is in age to give consent. All child porn is wrong because it portrays children having sex before they can give consent. Again, sorry to call your fetish or whatever by its name, but having a little kid portrayed having sex IS child porn, regardless of how you feel about it.

I don't have time right now to go into definitions, but real children are sure as hell abused during making those real child pornography. Meanwhile, those drawings at best hurts paper it is drawn on or computer screen (or your feelings). The entire point why child pornography is illegal and wrong is because it requires actual children to produce. So if you find some movies or photos, it is safe to assume some children were mistreated in the process of making them. So sorry, but treating those 2 things as if they are the same is simply ridiculous. Sure, if you're not into it, whatever it is hardcore hentai or lovely dovely sex between 2 established characters who clearly love and care about each other, it is your right. But that also means that others also have right to like it. As long as nobody is harming children in order to make those drawings, there is nothing wrong with it. That is the whole point of art and expression. If you start censoring things you're uncomfortable with, just because you don't like it, that is when progression and innovation dies, because nobody tries to make anything new and different anymore and only comfort to what was already done and proven.

Look, I'm not gonna go all preaching about this with you about why child porn is wrong or whatever. Just understand that lots of us consider this kind of content to be wrong and will get quite vocal about it.

So you are not going to preach, but we shouldn't be surprised when you go and preach... Sure, right. You're being seriously unfair here. As I said above, it is fine to not like it or even dislike it and nobody will tell you how not enjoying it is wrong. And yet you tell me you should be allowed to go into thread of work you don't like, and you knew you won't like it even before reading it thanks to tags (and even title in this case), and not only tell everyone how this work is sick, wrong and shouldn't exist, but you also tell people who enjoy it how they are sick, wrong and shouldn't exist. It is one thing to come and comment about work you didn't find enjoyable or had some problems with. It is completely different thing altogether when you comment about work just to complain about things that make you personally uncomfortable and telling others how enjoying it is wrong, when you fully knew you won't like it before reading it and just want to make a statement. It brings nothing to discussion. People who like it, will like it, people who dislike it, will dislike it. You're not changing anyone's mind, especially by trying to force them to feel guilty. All you do is venting your feelings and digressing from any actual conversation about work (granted in this case, there is not much to discuss). Can you imagine how it would feel if people who like this work decided to go into every single work that doesn't have lolicon tag and complained there how it is wrong and how it should be loli and how having sex between 2 adults is sick? Or if anyone with any fetish/preference started to complain in every single thread, that given work doesn't have what they like? That is exactly what you are doing. You're saying you have rights to complain you disliked the work you knew you will dislike and everyone else have to agree with it or at least hear it. That is simply not acceptable and in no way productive to actual conversation at all.

However, I do recognize that the whole "GTA let's me kill people but I'm no killer" argument has some solid evidence in its favor, and it could very well translate into this kind of conversation.

The fact some of you understand how stuff like GTA doesn't harm anyone and yet go apeshit crazy about lolis to the point you have to bash ever single work on dynasty with it, is beyond me.

Gabeerohas posted:

Man.. this is wrong. Luckly its a fiction, but this only show us how many people with pedo feels do exist in this world... and they're not only disgusting guys, but a lot, a looooot of "good" people ._.

If only everyone who enjoyed it actually had any desire to fuck children. Also you have no idea how many "good" people have weird fetishes, because... gasp*... they don't hurt anyone.

llenovo posted:

The reason why people enjoy playing violent videogames like GTA is because they're not actually hurting anybody, they're just enjoying an unrealistic power fantasy.

And yet you fail to understand how someone can enjoy a unrealistic erotic fantasy...

But this manga shows a realistic depiction of pedophilia. If you enjoy reading this kind of stuff, or, God forbid, if you we're aroused by this, how are you not a pedophile?

"realistic depiction of pedophilia" Yea, those anime characters, that child acting above her age, those 2 people in lovely dovely relationship that love and care about each other. That consensual sex. Yes the perfect, realistic depiction of pedophile raping a child. Not to mention those totally realistic fox ears. How anyone could consider it fiction escapes me.

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Quisty posted:

crazy stuff
incest

Yea, because incest is such crazy thing to do. I wonder when people will finally stop flipping over something that is completely harmless. In moments like this, those old traditions really get on my nerves with perpetuating those outdated morals which were never really true to begin with.

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Rosi4567 posted:

Ok no. Stop. This is completely wrong. This is totally wrong and if you think otherwise you are sick.

Is okay, they are just drawings. No real lolis were lewded in the making of this art.

I mean yeah I know, but I’m actually worried about the people that enjoy this kind of things. If someone is getting hot with this it means they are pedophiles, and that really, really worries me. Especially because the girl in this manga is really young. It would be awful if someone would want to do this kind of things with little girls irl. That’s what worries me, that some of the people that actually enjoy this are planning on doing something like this, and that this manga is only encouraging them.

Except it doesn't work like that. Most people can separate fiction from reality. What you enjoy in fiction doesn't necessary transfer into what you like in real life. If you wouldn't lewd the loli before reading it, then reading it won't suddenly change it. And there is actually also a argument to make it actually lets people who are actual pedophiles find outlet for their desires and not go lewd lolis in real life. Taking it away from them can actually push them to look for real thing. I'm aware it can work in reverse and for some pedos it will become not enough after some time, but again, you need to be attracted to real children in the first place for it to matter. Also people forget lolis are almost nothing like real children, behavior and look wise so enjoying stuff like that is actually completely different from what actual pornography is and what pedophiles look for.

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sorathecrow posted:

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/master_and_mel_oneeloli_hentai#7
AND I STOP
YET SAID IT

DONT DEAD
OPEN INSIDE

Disappointed in no tailsex.

It goes to show how messed up my reading is thanks to manga that i had zero trouble reading that the first time through, and i only noticed how weird it looks when you pointed it out.

Took me few seconds to realize it.

sorathecrow posted:

Ok no. Stop. This is completely wrong. This is totally wrong and if you think otherwise you are sick.

Is okay, they are just drawings. No real lolis were lewded in the making of this art.

If only logic would work on those people.

VivianGames posted:

I think these were actually tweeted and then people uploaded them to various hosting sites.

Yes, they are old tweet images Itou deleted long ago but people preserved them.

takes out popcorn, waits for drama to happen

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Khoaikk posted:

Who are Philia and Eros anyway?

Quick google search would easily solve this...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eros
And I'm pretty sure someone brought it at the beginning of the thread, but who would read that. Basically title is a more poetic way to say "between friendship and love".

Blastaar posted:

^ I was kidding.

Don't worry. I wasn't too serious either xP

Blastaar posted:

But can the soul of a formerly het man in the body of a high-school girl really be said to be an official het man?

According to Dynasty forum, it counts. In fact you could say they are very progressive and still consider Kouhei as a full man despite being in body of a girl. It probably fails under transgender for them (or they despise men so much even just soul is enough to disgust them. Pick your poison).

I haven’t seen one of those “everyone in the school gets a humiliating public physical exam” scenes lately—maybe of those of those could clear up the confusion.

In what way exactly though?

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