Azuma Hazuki posted:

I've worked with survivors of human trafficking, incest, and various other forms of abuse. Most of them were underage when it happened. And well over half the time, their abusers would say something like "she came on to me!" or "It's obvious she wanted it!" or some other variation on that theme. From reading the previous comments it sounds like that trope is being played to the hilt with this one.

Except in manga you can clearly see that loli is indeed the one doing it. There is no lying or excusing, "it was their fault!", so no, people talk about loli actually being the aggressive one. If you don't want to look silly making arguments and critic based on wrong assumptions and information, then next time read it yourself before actually judging it, because you're totally off base.

Now...I get it. Freedom of speech. no one is actually being harmed, etc etc. I get it. And very likely no one reading this is going to lay hands on a child, or think it's okay to. But I do think it's time this sort of material was removed from the site and banned from further uploads.

So you understand it and yet still want to get it banned? Hypocritical much? So you want it banned just because you don't like it and don't want to see it? Even if you know it's not actually harmful and not the source of the issue?

Azuma Hazuki posted:

Not the bloody point. People that young are not only not predators (as if a child could prey on an adult!), they aren't ready for sex, physically or emotionally.

Actually yes, it is. Ignoring real life and discussion whatever any child can be mature enough to consciously do or want those thing, that is exactly why it's ok. Because it's fiction. It doesn't actually happen. Nobody is hurt in the process.

I was 9 when my periods started, and my sister was 8. By some definitions, that means we were "ready for sex." We were children. At 9 what I was ready for was fourth grade.

Yes, "it's a drawing." I'm sure there are drawings of other things you'd find objectionable enough to wish banned, and which would make you seriously wonder about the sanity and/or morals of people who enjoy them.

And again. Nobody forces you to look at those drawings. People like you don't understand that that is what fiction is for. It allows you to explore those things that you're uncomfortable with in safe environment. Without actually hurting anyone or being hurt. Just hiding it under carpet and pretending it doesn't exist, won't magically make it go away. It will still happen irl. Also usually it has nothing to do with sanity or morals. It's called thought experiment. Just because you write about something, it doesn't mean you have to agree or enjoy it. Or you might only like it in fiction. People are complex enough to understand that certain things that they might not mind or even enjoy in book or movie, are not ok happening in reality. There is plenty examples of other stuff in media that nobody sane would actually enjoy and yet we constantly keep making movies, books, games etc. about it and nobody bats an eye. And when someone take it seriously and tries to do those things outside of it, we call them "insane". And finally, can you imagine how you would feel if someone decided to arbitrary ban something you enjoy and you have no saying in it? Because they just happen to find it disgusting, repulsive and having bad influence? Sorta like yuri in some countries? Would you still be for banning stuff that people find uncomfortable?

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Serenata posted:

I mean, your argument crumbles the moment you stop using the anime to prove a point in the manga discussion...

Claris posted:

Yeah good series I agree, It's rare to see pure yuri anime these days.

majere posted:

You could theoretically make the argument that trans people are still biologically their assigned sex/gender but it's super dismissive and rude and you should not ever do that because it's just cruel pedantry for the sake of being a jerk.

And irrelevant in general.

Looking East posted:

Hime is very tomboyish for sure, but I hope that's not her defining reasoning if she comes out as a trans guy especially after being called a "boy" because she's outwardly aggressive. That'd just be sort of poor writing in my eyes as it just plays into gender stereotypes to begin with. minor nitpick, I guess, but I hate the concept that you have to act stereotypically feminine/masculine to be trans. Mermaid Line with Ayumi and Aika handled this REALLY well for how short it was. Will be interesting to follow though I suppose.

Femininity and masculinity are nothing more than a group of traits and ideas society has grouped together as being common to one sex or the other and slapped a label on them.

To be fair, some traits are much more common in 1 gender compare to other, so they become more associated with them, but of course there are always exceptions to it. It is true most of it is based on generalizations, but some things are influenced by our biology, so we can't simply dismiss it as irrelevant.

5Cats posted:

5Cats posted:

he is

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Nooooo! That would just be stupid then... Oh wait, did you mean 'thick-skulled' or that other thing? Lolz

Even if he is (that other thing) maybe they can still have a nice, clean lesbian relationship! Or both be gay males? Anyhow they ought to make babies together, that's for sure.

I only pointed out you misgendered Akira as a guy. I have no clue what your post is talking about.

5Cats posted:

he is

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Claris posted:

^Good, haters gonna hate I know.

I see denial is strong in you.

Claris posted:

^Hmm... If you think this series is 100% subtext then you are a yuri hater I guess. It's no use talking about this, let's just agree to disagree.

Yes, it's not use talking about it because in anime they straight admit they're not dating (don't even know what dating is, or love for that matter) and only kiss to be special friends.

Sylke posted:

Also the fact that the trans girl looks like a guy

Seems pretty clearly she didn't start hormone therapy yet, so of course she will look like a guy. In fact it is one of few things I liked about it. That trans person didn't also happen to look completely feminine/androgynous and passing without any issue or effort.

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Claris posted:

Still, I didn't really like her because sakura trick isn't a subtext series with yuri jokes.

It's ironic considering that anime ended up being 100% subtext and yuri jokes.

KotoShizu is good and all but too cliche, imo.

They are at least couple, unlike main girls.

And what's wrong with "a lot of kissing"? YuuHaru did nothing wrong.

Everything when you're only doing it to become special friends.

Yeah good series I agree, It's rare to see pure yuri anime these days.

Except anime is not "pure" or even yuri, because it is entirely about special friendship.

Meh. Based on description I thought it will be good, but it was way over the top and shouty. It didn't feel like it was taking itself seriously.

whitenight2013 posted:

Wait, this was being updated this whole time and I just never noticed the updates? Oh boy I have so much to catch up on!

It wasn't. Lazy Lily posted updates in thread on their own. I guess since they already did that and series just ended, dynasty staff agreed to just upload the entire thing again (since it used to be here before, it was just removed, because of disagreement)

"The longest game of chicken. The manga."

Looking East posted:

So what's the working list for yuri anime this season?

So far I've seen Wataten!, Endro! and Mysteria Friends. There is also apparently a gay mermaid show but I can't find it on any of the big three streaming services?

Don't tell anyone

And well I checked and kissanime has it too, so unless you meant legal services, then I guess you're out of luck.

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Blastaar posted:

But the tagging police aren’t having fun. They seem to be locked in a fight to the death with the most serious consequences in the world riding on the outcome, only I have yet to figure out what those alleged consequences are supposed to be.

To me yuri is simply story where relationship or a one sided crush is confirmed with words. Subtext is when it's implied, but never outright confirmed. The thing is, just because it's subtext, it doesn't mean it isn't yuri. To me subtext is still text, just done subtly. The intent of creators is irrelevant, because whatever they consider it as something serious or not, they still put it in the story with intention of implying it. Only way to deny it "officially" is by just making girl/s date/have a crush on a guy, but then it's no longer implied yuri. In fact some "subtext" yuri stories can be very blatant about it and without ever really confirming anything, leave no room for interpretation. Not many share my approach though...

Most people see subtext as fake yuri and nothing more. It's studio's/publisher's way to jack us around, to give us hope, to only then never confirm anything. Or even worse. Go full het. Unless they shout out their love to each other and/or fuck, it's better to not get too invested, to not get high hopes. And sure, it isn't like stuff like that didn't happen, so I understand why some people got burn by it. That doesn't mean they should throw every series under the bus, until it has 100%, complete, undeniable, confirmation of lesbian feelings. So many subtle yuri manga/anime got completely ignored and/or even trashed, just because they failed to give that confirmation, despite otherwise being very and blatantly gay. Recent Tonari no Kyuuketsuki-san being perfect example of series that certain people still consider just your typical CGDCS slice of life with no true yuri whatsoever. It is all just friendship and jokes.

On the one hand I understand people's need for confirmation, since there's just not enough stories with openly gay characters and/or confirmed gay relationships. I too wish more stories would confirm them. On the other hand, it's funny that so many things from those "subtext" stories aren't consider proof, when had they appeared in one of het romances, people wouldn't even question them for a second. So I really think some people should slow down a bit with this whole subtext crusade and don't be so rigid about it. It's getting better after all.

So to answer your question. Everything. If it has yuri tag, then it's true yuri about true lesbians that do lesbian things. If it's subtext, it's fake yuri, will never go anywhere and it should be burn with fire. Someone who wants to read "true" yuri will avoid subtext tag with passion. So if they read something "wrongly" tagged as yuri, while it turns out to be "just" subtext, they'll get mad because they just wasted however long it took to read it, only to get sourly disappointed with story turning out to not being yuri.

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Norainhere posted:

On a serious note, a Flashback tag might work, since a lot of the time in various series there'll be a chapter or two that is entirely (or almost entirely) a flashback. That being said, there are a lot of flashback chapters on Dynasty, so tagging them would be a pain...

What would be the point though? It has the same issue as Time Skip. Nobody specifically looks for stories with flashbacks and knowing beforehand story has one doesn't really mean much on its own.

That was adorable.

Well the "Yuri doesn't exist irl" and "You don't count", already turned me off to the whole thing, but I still gave it a chance in case rest is not as bad. Sadly humor was all over the place and jokes got really old really fast, which is impressive, considering it only had 16 pages. I couldn't even get a read of characters' personalities, because they argued about 1 thing entire story, so I have no clue if they are actually likeable or not. Overall I found nothing funny or enjoyable in it.

Komi028 posted:

Manaria is selling like hotcakes because the blurays have codes for gran blue, so they can confirm everything they want in this show, the otakus are forced to buy the blurays regardless if they want those codes.

That is actually very good idea. Glad to hear that.

Long hair is objectively better, because I said so and as we all know, I'm always right.

last edited at Feb 10, 2019 7:38AM

Heavensrun posted:

On the topic of "professional vs fan translations". We got first volume released here and they made a blatant mistranslation, which changes context quite a bit. And of course there is no option to release fixed version. The advantage of digital translations you can always update.

What is the mistranslation, out of curiosity?

Chapter 3, page 28
Our translation:
"Why did she say that is enough?"
"She is"
"such a liar."
Actual line:
"So why did I tell her I don't mind?"
"... This really is."
"unfair of her."

It implies Yuu saw through Touko's facade as soon as chapter 3.

I know it doesn't really seem like much, but it isn't even like translator tried to convey the same meaning by using different words or thought that it would sound more natural. It is blatantly just changing what character said to something else, because they thought it sounded better or whatever reason for it was. And even if Yuu did see through Touko already back then, that is not what original text said. Sure I'm more for faithful translations in general, but I understand that sometimes you have to change some stuff and what or how you need to change is very subjective and hard. This on the other hand is just a very simple sentence that was changed for no other reason that "I felt like it." And stuff like that make me lose trust in translation and get paranoid how many other little changes like that that are there.

Btw. Whenever I find stuff like that, it reminds me of guys like you, who overanalyze every single line and craft meanings and theories from them, while all this time they could be mistranslated or rewritten (and some translations here actually have this issue).

Since I'm already writing, on topic on symbolize and whatnot. I personally prefer to avoid deriving meanings etc. from symbols and outside influences, unless author is blatantly referring to them and/or clearly builds a connection. I'm much more in favor of theming and building own icons and symbols, than just blatantly borrows them from other sources. And sure, they can use existing symbols, but they should still properly integrate them into the story instead of just expecting people to know them already and draw the connection. And yea, sure, stuff can have deeper meaning, the way scene is set etc. can also be meaningful, but sometimes you need to know when to stop and see that boat is just there so they can have some privacy. Or because Nakatani got tired of drawing backgrounds.

I guess our school system just totally burned me for any interpretations etc. of literature/poetry, using general symbols and meanings, because all I was ever taught was that there is no room for interpretation. Author always means it only 1 way and any other interpretation is wrong. Even if author themselves disagree with what our teachers think the interpretation of their work is. Also you need to follow the right steps in interpreting their works. After all there is only 1 proper way to arrive at the conclusions you will arrive, because there is no other conclusions to arrive at other than the right ones.

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TB posted:

however, if they don't make them kiss or confess to each other at the end and brush it off with the friends bullshit, then this anime would be a massive waste of time and money.

I'm not expecting it to confirm anything, which is what's hard with this kind of show--managing expectations. If there's so much romantic subtext and we're obviously meant to see it as such, why is it so hard to actually spell it out? I'm personally fine as long as they don't outright deny it in-universe, but yeah, it can be frustrating.

Because yuri doesn't sell. As long as it isn't confirmed, otakus can imagine them as their waifus and ignore (or not realize) all the subtext you throw at them. Not confirming yuri relationships is a calculated move by studios to make sure to not alienate the biggest part of their audience, male otakus who actually spend all their money on their stuff.

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elevown posted:

Since when girls in Sakura Trick learned what romance even is, to have intimate one?

Last two volumes, IIRC.

Where can you read Sakura trick?

Despite being removed from dynasty, Lazy Lily still post updates on new releases in Sakura Trick thread. So obviously you can still read their past and new releases on their site (and any other site that upload their releases).

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riyu posted:

It's interesting because I read the comment as throwing doubt on the legitimacy of the fundraising campaign.

Well I think that was their point, but they at least seemed to have a actual reason to doubt it, but since they didn't state it I wanted them to elaborate on it, so someone else (who is also knowledgeable) can comment on their observations. There was only one other person who decided to check meds etc. because of that person's comment and they saw nothing wrong, so at least to me, since it didn't open any big discussion about it, it seemed like there was no issue with it after all (or not enough doctors use dynasty forum and/or check news). Sure I still had to take that other person word for it, but they at least acknowledge, some decisions could look off, but are explainable under circumstances, so it sounded reasonable enough.

tl;dr: Since it didn't turn into one big discussion about meds, I assume most people either didn't find issue with it or didn't care enough, so campaign itself is safe.

So the moral is "everyone is a bit gay inside". Works fine for me xP