The ending is good to convey a message of mature true love and moving on! What seju and Sumin has in the past was puppy love. Sumin basically was obsessed and attracted by Seju's beauty while Seju seeking for love as she can't get it from her family. They both look matching from the appearance but not character wise. That's why their love can't last long once trauma happened. Seju's love is possessive and Sumin is weak. Sumin just wanna cut ties from Seju because she knows she can't forget Seju's mistake and she wants to forget her tragic past. At least for Sumin there's no more love feelings towards Seju after they break up, she just wanna take revenge on Seju to release her pain. I mean how could you tormented a person for 10 years if you still love that person. Then the beautiful and young Sungji came into Sumin's life, Sumin fall in love her caused Sumin just can't resist beauty and Sungji is a lot younger than Seju. Sumin never considered to get back to Seju at all, she just treat Seju as a normal friend caused they know each other for long. Sumin finally found someone who can accompany her to go her parents yard on their anniversary which Seju can't do. Sumin has confidence in Sungji and truly fall in love with her. She is a better person while she is with Sungji. Sumin move on very fast after she met Sungju but Seju is stubborn perhaps due to her family background and insecurity. Anyway, it's good that they both move on in the end. Do Won came to Seju's rescue. Do Won is strong and patience enough to heal Seju's insecurity. They both fit each other in term of physical and character wise.

Respectfully, I disagree. I think their relationship was rocky from the beginning because of their context: Seju coming from a family who did not love her, which in turn made it difficult for her to know how to give love. Sumin losing both her parents, being beaten up by Seju's brother, the isolation. They both came from difficult places, which is what made them toxic to each other. I think it could have been built further in terms of rectification if the writers wanted them to be together, but alas, it was not to be.

Even if I was a little late to the discussion, I just finished this story this year LOL

I liked some arguments without too much bias or favoritism and pointing out the problems of configuration and continuity of the story. Seju is by far the best character, Sumin the worst, the blonde never felt her as a main character, there was a lot about her that confused me and sometimes her behavior left me analyzing what was real and what was not with her personality.

And I agree that the story began its descent into shit from chapter 50. I felt cheated because I really came to think that this was really a story about understanding, addressing your insecurities, working on them, and seeking forgiveness. Seju and Sumin's relationship had all the potential to have gone in the right direction because there were subtle hints that they loved each other despite all the accumulation of contempt, revenge, and obsession with the past. One of the many problems the story had was that the realistic narrative became eccentrically exaggerated.

I couldn't agree more, Neurotech. I think Gaji missed out on a lot with their relationship, because as you pointed out, there was so much depth. I think the blonde girl was a bit strange for me, because she was so simple - I mean in the sense where there was no complexity or nuance to her character. There was nothing wrong with her, and that's the point, which is what made her uninteresting to me.

And I understand that they did find new partners and are happy in their new relationships, but for me personally, I would have preferred it if Sumin and Seju were together.

Nah, Sumin and Seju should never get back together. Call me old-fashioned but if someone cheated on me, I would never look at them the same way ever again and pretend we still love each other. The moment Seju betrayed Sumin's trust by sleeping with that bartender man, was the final nail in the coffin. But having said that, I can't wrap my head around Sungji who clearly caught her precious team leader getting it on with her ex and still wants to jump back into bed with her. She's either an angel herself or just the biggest fool ever. I'm leaning more to the latter lol.

So Young, I absolutely agree with you in terms of condemning Seju's infidelity. I think it was stupid and utterly selfish, and I really don't like her for doing it. I'm not going to give her the excuse of her inebriation. She should have controlled herself - she's an adult.
If we have a look at the situation though, she came from a place where she was desperate for love and she wanted Sumin to get a hold of herself. She watched her lover suffer for days, it took a toll. So, while I castigate her misdeed, I understand where it comes from. Think of any drama or fiction, writers want you to understand people are human and do bad things, not necessarily that they are inherently evil. Look at her subsequent actions: she stopped drinking, she felt guilty, she tried to make it up to Sumin, and she didn't stop her love.

I think Sungji was just head over heels! She really wanted to be with Sumin, so it would be easy to forgive her for even something like murder... I wouldn't put that past her character. lol. :)

Even if I was a little late to the discussion, I just finished this story this year LOL

I liked some arguments without too much bias or favoritism and pointing out the problems of configuration and continuity of the story. Seju is by far the best character, Sumin the worst, the blonde never felt her as a main character, there was a lot about her that confused me and sometimes her behavior left me analyzing what was real and what was not with her personality.

And I agree that the story began its descent into shit from chapter 50. I felt cheated because I really came to think that this was really a story about understanding, addressing your insecurities, working on them, and seeking forgiveness. Seju and Sumin's relationship had all the potential to have gone in the right direction because there were subtle hints that they loved each other despite all the accumulation of contempt, revenge, and obsession with the past. One of the many problems the story had was that the realistic narrative became eccentrically exaggerated.

I couldn't agree more, Neurotech. I think Gaji missed out on a lot with their relationship, because as you pointed out, there was so much depth. I think the blonde girl was a bit strange for me, because she was so simple - I mean in the sense where there was no complexity or nuance to her character. There was nothing wrong with her, and that's the point, which is what made her uninteresting to me.

And I understand that they did find new partners and are happy in their new relationships, but for me personally, I would have preferred it if Sumin and Seju were together.

Nah, Sumin and Seju should never get back together. Call me old-fashioned but if someone cheated on me, I would never look at them the same way ever again and pretend we still love each other. The moment Seju betrayed Sumin's trust by sleeping with that bartender man, was the final nail in the coffin. But having said that, I can't wrap my head around Sungji who clearly caught her precious team leader getting it on with her ex and still wants to jump back into bed with her. She's either an angel herself or just the biggest fool ever. I'm leaning more to the latter lol.

So Young, I absolutely agree with you in terms of condemning Seju's infidelity. I think it was stupid and utterly selfish, and I really don't like her for doing it. I'm not going to give her the excuse of her inebriation. She should have controlled herself - she's an adult.
If we have a look at the situation though, she came from a place where she was desperate for love and she wanted Sumin to get a hold of herself. She watched her lover suffer for days, it took a toll. So, while I castigate her misdeed, I understand where it comes from. Think of any drama or fiction, writers want you to understand people are human and do bad things, not necessarily that they are inherently evil. Look at her subsequent actions: she stopped drinking, she felt guilty, she tried to make it up to Sumin, and she didn't stop her love.

I think Sungji was just head over heels! She really wanted to be with Sumin, so it would be easy to forgive her for even something like murder... I wouldn't put that past her character. lol. :)

No doubt Seju has tried to redeem her mistake and continuing to love Sumin for that 10 years but it's pointless because Sumin doesn't want the same way, she wanna cut it off from Seju after the breakup. I think Seju should just give up after 5 years of all the abuse sex from Sumin but she just can't let go and willing to suffer, this is just not logic as the creator projected that she is smart and independent woman. Sumin is someone who is quite traditional, she pay tribute to her parents on their anniversary but Seju can never accompany her to do that and also Sumin can't forget Seju for cheating on her with a man. So, it's obvious she doesn't want a relationship with Seju anymore even Seju is so desperate but Sumin doesn't care! So, when the prettier and younger Sungji comes into her life, she can easily move on with her. She finds someone who she can share her life with forever and that person is Sungji not Seju caused Sumin is kinda old fashion, she will never be able to trust Seju after she saw her cuddled with a man in bed. Sumin is just the lucky one caused no matter what she did, both Sungji and Seju will still love her. Sumin is definitely the writer's favourite. However, the writer is finally good enough to let Do Won to come to rescue Seju. At least Seju doesn't has to spend the rest of her life without love, lonely and miserable. Sumin get to move on and get married with Sungji who can accompany her on her parents' anniversary.

Even if I was a little late to the discussion, I just finished this story this year LOL

I liked some arguments without too much bias or favoritism and pointing out the problems of configuration and continuity of the story. Seju is by far the best character, Sumin the worst, the blonde never felt her as a main character, there was a lot about her that confused me and sometimes her behavior left me analyzing what was real and what was not with her personality.

And I agree that the story began its descent into shit from chapter 50. I felt cheated because I really came to think that this was really a story about understanding, addressing your insecurities, working on them, and seeking forgiveness. Seju and Sumin's relationship had all the potential to have gone in the right direction because there were subtle hints that they loved each other despite all the accumulation of contempt, revenge, and obsession with the past. One of the many problems the story had was that the realistic narrative became eccentrically exaggerated.

I couldn't agree more, Neurotech. I think Gaji missed out on a lot with their relationship, because as you pointed out, there was so much depth. I think the blonde girl was a bit strange for me, because she was so simple - I mean in the sense where there was no complexity or nuance to her character. There was nothing wrong with her, and that's the point, which is what made her uninteresting to me.

And I understand that they did find new partners and are happy in their new relationships, but for me personally, I would have preferred it if Sumin and Seju were together.

Nah, Sumin and Seju should never get back together. Call me old-fashioned but if someone cheated on me, I would never look at them the same way ever again and pretend we still love each other. The moment Seju betrayed Sumin's trust by sleeping with that bartender man, was the final nail in the coffin. But having said that, I can't wrap my head around Sungji who clearly caught her precious team leader getting it on with her ex and still wants to jump back into bed with her. She's either an angel herself or just the biggest fool ever. I'm leaning more to the latter lol.

So Young, I absolutely agree with you in terms of condemning Seju's infidelity. I think it was stupid and utterly selfish, and I really don't like her for doing it. I'm not going to give her the excuse of her inebriation. She should have controlled herself - she's an adult.
If we have a look at the situation though, she came from a place where she was desperate for love and she wanted Sumin to get a hold of herself. She watched her lover suffer for days, it took a toll. So, while I castigate her misdeed, I understand where it comes from. Think of any drama or fiction, writers want you to understand people are human and do bad things, not necessarily that they are inherently evil. Look at her subsequent actions: she stopped drinking, she felt guilty, she tried to make it up to Sumin, and she didn't stop her love.

I think Sungji was just head over heels! She really wanted to be with Sumin, so it would be easy to forgive her for even something like murder... I wouldn't put that past her character. lol. :)

No doubt Seju has tried to redeem her mistake and continuing to love Sumin for that 10 years but it's pointless because Sumin doesn't want the same way, she wanna cut it off from Seju after the breakup. I think Seju should just give up after 5 years of all the abuse sex from Sumin but she just can't let go and willing to suffer, this is just not logic as the creator projected that she is smart and independent woman. Sumin is someone who is quite traditional, she pay tribute to her parents on their anniversary but Seju can never accompany her to do that and also Sumin can't forget Seju for cheating on her with a man. So, it's obvious she doesn't want a relationship with Seju anymore even Seju is so desperate but Sumin doesn't care! So, when the prettier and younger Sungji comes into her life, she can easily move on with her. She finds someone who she can share her life with forever and that person is Sungji not Seju caused Sumin is kinda old fashion, she will never be able to trust Seju after she saw her cuddled with a man in bed. Sumin is just the lucky one caused no matter what she did, both Sungji and Seju will still love her. Sumin is definitely the writer's favourite. However, the writer is finally good enough to let Do Won to come to rescue Seju. At least Seju doesn't has to spend the rest of her life without love, lonely and miserable. Sumin get to move on and get married with Sungji who can accompany her on her parents' anniversary.

Cassandra, I agree with you on the fact they both get happy endings and rightly so; it shows Gaji didn't think of them as people who deserved loneliness because of their respective flaws. And you're right - that heartbreaking betrayal can't be forgotten by Sumin, so it's no surprise that she thinks it can't be repaired. I get that. And that's all very well. My only point of contention is that this could have been a really complex story with a more intricate plot of delving into the problems of this couple. Instead, they went with the solution as finding two different people, and breaking apart. Okay.

One sentence you write is extremely apt: "Sumin is just the lucky one caused no matter what she did, both Sungji and Seju will still love her." I never understood this from either character, until I analysed that they are two very insecure women desperate for love. Sumin fills the void perfectly for them where no other woman (or man) does not.

I've actually been reading old posts on this forum, and I just want to clarify that I recognise that Seju and Sumin are not together and they are with new people. That's fine. I'm just expressing an opinion that my preference would have been this way, not that way. And I know my opinion will not change anything. Please treat me well! :)

Xavier, sorry that I just wanna share my opinion. I too disagree to some of the plots that the writer put in WDTFS. But I think the ending is appropriate because move on is very important as life is not that long for everyone. Some of the past we really have to let go in order to have a better and happier life in future.

Sumin is pretty woman but sometimes she thinks like an old-fashioned man, she did whatever she like and knows how to analyse girls. I mean she can get most of the woman she like. Sungji is the one she loves finally because this woman gave her first time and first love to her. She trust her. I still think Sungji is too good for Sumin. And it's good that Seju finally let go of Sumin, otherwise she will be a slave to Sumin forever. I love the young Sumin but not the Sumin who changed drastically after the traumatic experience. She is too selfish and immature. Seju has drag on to the young Sumin for too long. Young Sumin is the past and will never come back. If Seju has learnt that and let go of Sumin earlier, she may not have to suffer for that sex & verbal abuse and heart pain for 10 years. She would have found a true lover before 30 years old and have a family because she is equally as beautiful as Sumin. Beautiful woman is easier to get girls anyway. The writer just make a smart Seju to be a stupid woman for 10 years, just like a desperate housewife waiting for her playful husband to come home. This is ridiculous and not realistic.

Cassandra, I didn't mean to direct my final remark towards you specifically! I just meant things can get very passionate on the forum as people get very combative in terms of who they ship and stan. I hope I'm not stepping on any toes by saying I like Seju and would have preferred her to end up with Sumin, but we've already established this. lol.

I like what you're saying about the ending and giving up the past for brighter futures. But there are examples where there are toxic couples who work past their muddiness. Is a relationship so toxic that it can't work out? If it were the case that Sumin or Seju were being physically or sexually violent to each other (I'm not counting their rough sex, since it was consensual), then I would think they need to depart from each other.

I believe that as well about Sumin behaving like a man. It's very strange. It's like she's trying to desensitise herself to feel emotion because she's afraid of feeling love?? Does that even make sense?! Lol. And I agree with you - I liked the young Sumin as well! I thought she was a sweet young woman, unfortunately all that brightness died due to her circumstances.

I've mentioned this earlier, but Seju, I think, behaves desperate, because she wants love and she comes from a place where she did not have love to give or get it from anyone. On the surface, it does seem outwardly ridiculous, but I think when you analyse her situation, it's entirely plausible. Psychologically, she wanted this person to give love to her and get love back. However, I don't want to defend her completely: while I think she is the best character in this manga, I thought she was pretty pathetic continuing to have sex with a woman who constantly went out with other women instead of actually addressing the problems in this relationship. There could have been real progress made. I don't want to suggest something like counselling or therapy, but simply talking or pushing through the pain together would have helped. Just my two cents.

Each person draws their own conclusion from the story. I advise you to read the whole thread, although it is long but some users dissected the whole plot very well and you can perceive the amount of changes and traps that the story had until the end.
I already said what I had to say, the story was never about healing, because I did not perceive it, it is a story with double standards, written by someone who lacks much sensitivity to really understand forgiveness and move on. examine the problems especially the horrible behavior of Sumin. However, they tell you that moving forward is getting a partner who does not point out your flaws, who does not ask, who says yes to all of your shit.

Cassandra, I didn't mean to direct my final remark towards you specifically! I just meant things can get very passionate on the forum as people get very combative in terms of who they ship and stan. I hope I'm not stepping on any toes by saying I like Seju and would have preferred her to end up with Sumin, but we've already established this. lol.

I like what you're saying about the ending and giving up the past for brighter futures. But there are examples where there are toxic couples who work past their muddiness. Is a relationship so toxic that it can't work out? If it were the case that Sumin or Seju were being physically or sexually violent to each other (I'm not counting their rough sex, since it was consensual), then I would think they need to depart from each other.

I believe that as well about Sumin behaving like a man. It's very strange. It's like she's trying to desensitise herself to feel emotion because she's afraid of feeling love?? Does that even make sense?! Lol. And I agree with you - I liked the young Sumin as well! I thought she was a sweet young woman, unfortunately all that brightness died due to her circumstances.

I've mentioned this earlier, but Seju, I think, behaves desperate, because she wants love and she comes from a place where she did not have love to give or get it from anyone. On the surface, it does seem outwardly ridiculous, but I think when you analyse her situation, it's entirely plausible. Psychologically, she wanted this person to give love to her and get love back. However, I don't want to defend her completely: while I think she is the best character in this manga, I thought she was pretty pathetic continuing to have sex with a woman who constantly went out with other women instead of actually addressing the problems in this relationship. There could have been real progress made. I don't want to suggest something like counselling or therapy, but simply talking or pushing through the pain together would have helped. Just my two cents.

I'm totally agree and happy to share with you. Seju is the best character but there are so many just hate her and think that she deserves that punishment from Sumin. I mean I can't imagine Seju gotta suffer for 10 years and it's becomes a habit and numb. For me, I can't accept the person I love to have sex with others consistently. I think Sumin did that to let Seju suffer and to eventually let go of her volunteering at first because she knows Seju's toxic brother will hurt her if Seju is miserable. But I can't belive a smart woman like Seju is willing to let Sumin to sexually and verbally abuse her for so many years. There are sex scenes between them that I feel really irritated and can't believe Seju can tolerate to that extend. I think not many toxic relationship can be work out and it depends on the level of hurt and individuals perception. The scar in Sumin's heart and body is too deep and I can understand even she forgive Seju but she will never forget the incidents that happened to her. Instead of getting back with Seju and work for their future. She chose to start a new relationship with clean and pure love, That's why she fall in love with Sungji and ultimately let go of Seju easily. I mean if Sungji is not pretty, I don't think Sumin will fall in love with her. Lol. In Sumin's mind she is happy that she finally found someone who is younger and prettier than Seju and heal her. She wanna create happy moments with Sungji in the future rather than drilling down to the past memories. If Seju has realised and truly understand Sumin, she should let go of Sumin earlier and suffered less. Perhaps she may meet someone earlier and has her own family. Seju has urged for family love since young and I think if she has a daughter, her daughter will be as beautiful as her. Anyway, Do Won is a good person and fit Seju. Seju eventually move on and they are going to create happy moments for their future. The creator did mention that, Seju will start love and be able to love many things in her life.

Cassandra, I didn't mean to direct my final remark towards you specifically! I just meant things can get very passionate on the forum as people get very combative in terms of who they ship and stan. I hope I'm not stepping on any toes by saying I like Seju and would have preferred her to end up with Sumin, but we've already established this. lol.

I like what you're saying about the ending and giving up the past for brighter futures. But there are examples where there are toxic couples who work past their muddiness. Is a relationship so toxic that it can't work out? If it were the case that Sumin or Seju were being physically or sexually violent to each other (I'm not counting their rough sex, since it was consensual), then I would think they need to depart from each other.

I believe that as well about Sumin behaving like a man. It's very strange. It's like she's trying to desensitise herself to feel emotion because she's afraid of feeling love?? Does that even make sense?! Lol. And I agree with you - I liked the young Sumin as well! I thought she was a sweet young woman, unfortunately all that brightness died due to her circumstances.

I've mentioned this earlier, but Seju, I think, behaves desperate, because she wants love and she comes from a place where she did not have love to give or get it from anyone. On the surface, it does seem outwardly ridiculous, but I think when you analyse her situation, it's entirely plausible. Psychologically, she wanted this person to give love to her and get love back. However, I don't want to defend her completely: while I think she is the best character in this manga, I thought she was pretty pathetic continuing to have sex with a woman who constantly went out with other women instead of actually addressing the problems in this relationship. There could have been real progress made. I don't want to suggest something like counselling or therapy, but simply talking or pushing through the pain together would have helped. Just my two cents.

I'm totally agree and happy to share with you. Seju is the best character but there are so many just hate her and think that she deserves that punishment from Sumin. I mean I can't imagine Seju gotta suffer for 10 years and it's becomes a habit and numb. For me, I can't accept the person I love to have sex with others consistently. I think Sumin did that to let Seju suffer and to eventually let go of her volunteering at first because she knows Seju's toxic brother will hurt her if Seju is miserable. But I can't belive a smart woman like Seju is willing to let Sumin to sexually and verbally abuse her for so many years. There are sex scenes between them that I feel really irritated and can't believe Seju can tolerate to that extend. I think not many toxic relationship can be work out and it depends on the level of hurt and individuals perception. The scar in Sumin's heart and body is too deep and I can understand even she forgive Seju but she will never forget the incidents that happened to her. Instead of getting back with Seju and work for their future. She chose to start a new relationship with clean and pure love, That's why she fall in love with Sungji and ultimately let go of Seju easily. I mean if Sungji is not pretty, I don't think Sumin will fall in love with her. Lol. In Sumin's mind she is happy that she finally found someone who is younger and prettier than Seju and heal her. She wanna create happy moments with Sungji in the future rather than drilling down to the past memories. If Seju has realised and truly understand Sumin, she should let go of Sumin earlier and suffered less. Perhaps she may meet someone earlier and has her own family. Seju has urged for family love since young and I think if she has a daughter, her daughter will be as beautiful as her. Anyway, Do Won is a good person and fit Seju. Seju eventually move on and they are going to create happy moments for their future. The creator did mention that, Seju will start love and be able to love many things in her life.

The pain and humiliation that Seju endured for 10 years courtesy of Sumin has no name, it is simply something of a dehumanized person with a person that I supposedly love deeply. An infidelity, a mental scar that was not Seju's fault, is it the motives to turn someone into such a despicable being? And someone dares to defend and make excuses for her behavior?
My reading of history is very different, due to my moral values and I don't even care who has stayed with whom. But I would have liked a more realistic ending, each reflecting separately and meeting again as good friends, I speak of Seju and Sumin.
However I am glad that Seju is happy away from that toxic that never learned about true forgiveness and respect.

Cassandra, I didn't mean to direct my final remark towards you specifically! I just meant things can get very passionate on the forum as people get very combative in terms of who they ship and stan. I hope I'm not stepping on any toes by saying I like Seju and would have preferred her to end up with Sumin, but we've already established this. lol.

I like what you're saying about the ending and giving up the past for brighter futures. But there are examples where there are toxic couples who work past their muddiness. Is a relationship so toxic that it can't work out? If it were the case that Sumin or Seju were being physically or sexually violent to each other (I'm not counting their rough sex, since it was consensual), then I would think they need to depart from each other.

I believe that as well about Sumin behaving like a man. It's very strange. It's like she's trying to desensitise herself to feel emotion because she's afraid of feeling love?? Does that even make sense?! Lol. And I agree with you - I liked the young Sumin as well! I thought she was a sweet young woman, unfortunately all that brightness died due to her circumstances.

I've mentioned this earlier, but Seju, I think, behaves desperate, because she wants love and she comes from a place where she did not have love to give or get it from anyone. On the surface, it does seem outwardly ridiculous, but I think when you analyse her situation, it's entirely plausible. Psychologically, she wanted this person to give love to her and get love back. However, I don't want to defend her completely: while I think she is the best character in this manga, I thought she was pretty pathetic continuing to have sex with a woman who constantly went out with other women instead of actually addressing the problems in this relationship. There could have been real progress made. I don't want to suggest something like counselling or therapy, but simply talking or pushing through the pain together would have helped. Just my two cents.

I'm totally agree and happy to share with you. Seju is the best character but there are so many just hate her and think that she deserves that punishment from Sumin. I mean I can't imagine Seju gotta suffer for 10 years and it's becomes a habit and numb. For me, I can't accept the person I love to have sex with others consistently. I think Sumin did that to let Seju suffer and to eventually let go of her volunteering at first because she knows Seju's toxic brother will hurt her if Seju is miserable. But I can't belive a smart woman like Seju is willing to let Sumin to sexually and verbally abuse her for so many years. There are sex scenes between them that I feel really irritated and can't believe Seju can tolerate to that extend. I think not many toxic relationship can be work out and it depends on the level of hurt and individuals perception. The scar in Sumin's heart and body is too deep and I can understand even she forgive Seju but she will never forget the incidents that happened to her. Instead of getting back with Seju and work for their future. She chose to start a new relationship with clean and pure love, That's why she fall in love with Sungji and ultimately let go of Seju easily. I mean if Sungji is not pretty, I don't think Sumin will fall in love with her. Lol. In Sumin's mind she is happy that she finally found someone who is younger and prettier than Seju and heal her. She wanna create happy moments with Sungji in the future rather than drilling down to the past memories. If Seju has realised and truly understand Sumin, she should let go of Sumin earlier and suffered less. Perhaps she may meet someone earlier and has her own family. Seju has urged for family love since young and I think if she has a daughter, her daughter will be as beautiful as her. Anyway, Do Won is a good person and fit Seju. Seju eventually move on and they are going to create happy moments for their future. The creator did mention that, Seju will start love and be able to love many things in her life.

For me, in my life, I would never want a relationship like this, and I don't want my partner to be unfaithful to me to hurt me for revenge reasons. However, I really like it in fiction worlds. lol. Something about the toxicity is compelling to read and watch. I'm going to repeat what I've said, because it answers your disbelief about Seju's intelligence / knowing better: desperation for love drives Seju. So, Seju absolutely did not care what Sumin did as long as she could be with her. People don't act rationally when they're crazy in love. What you've said about Sungji, I imagine, is exactly what Gaji envisioned for the characters. To depart from each other and move on to people who are healthy and patient and kind. And not for one moment do I hate Do Won or Sungji, they are really good women; I just think if this was the route to go down, make them interesting was my only point. Although, I'm slightly contradicting myself here… because if they were complex, they'd have to have a dark past or an attribute that makes them repulsive. They were very benign and that was my issue - where was the complexity? where was the interest? It just wasn’t there for me. But that's the point, as you've said: it's so both Sumin and Seju could find real happiness. I think if Seju had a daughter, she would raise her very well and give her lots of love and joy as opposed to the rotten and derelict childhood she had.

Each person draws their own conclusion from the story. I advise you to read the whole thread, although it is long but some users dissected the whole plot very well and you can perceive the amount of changes and traps that the story had until the end.
I already said what I had to say, the story was never about healing, because I did not perceive it, it is a story with double standards, written by someone who lacks much sensitivity to really understand forgiveness and move on. examine the problems especially the horrible behavior of Sumin. However, they tell you that moving forward is getting a partner who does not point out your flaws, who does not ask, who says yes to all of your shit.

If I have time, I'll try to check out the whole forum - I generally enjoy reading other people's analysis. But I jut read the most recent 15 pages and someone started castigating people who like Seju as Japanese soldiers who die for their queen or something like that. lol. "War's over, follks". Okay, but I still like her. Haha. And, just to reinforce what you’re saying, it’s a matter of indifference to me who likes who, whether people agree with the ending or not, what characters people like, how people analyse the story, I’m just here to have some debate and conversation while giving my opinion. If people disagree with anything I’m saying, cool, let’s discuss.

I have to say, I actually never saw it from that perspective, it's quite interesting the way you articulated it. I think the writer could have understood the complexities of emotion especially in the situation both of them were in. Which is why I wholeheartedly agree with you that forgiveness should have been magnified more as a theme. But no. Instead, the “solution” was to cart them both off to other people without addressing their problems. Yes, Do Won and Sungji were both very nice people, but my problem is that they placated too much to Sumin and Seju (“yes women”). I think what kind of hurts more is that Gaji had a great premise, but they fractured it.
Sumin’s lack of response in terms of Seju’s responsibility for her parents’ demise unfortunately led Seju out of the door, which catalysed her fears of being alone. Just to be clear (I’ve already said this on the previous page), I do not condone Seju’s infidelity, I just understood why she did it. Sumin narrowly thought and took for granted that Seju would wait forever.

Xavier:

The topic of Seju's infidelity was discussed in this forum by two users, especially one, nora89. She highlighted several points that the plot seemed to imply that perhaps things did not turn out exactly as shown in the story. One thing that if she makes it clear to me is that Seju didn't like men, we can't call her bisexual for that. Remember chapter 10 when she is having sex with her beloved girlfriend, she says that she hurts despite her that she only uses one finger. I wonder if even if she was drunk, we don't know how much alcohol was in her blood, not feeling discomfort or pain knowing that she had never had sex with a man.

There are many story points that were discussed here in a very orderly and eloquent way, but everyone is free to choose their favorite ending. For my part I like to look at all sides and I cannot say that this story is perfect, it has several inconsistencies and its fall was from chapter 50. Unfortunately the authors were carried away by very young fans, because the love story of the Blonde and Sumin was more for teenagers, when it was supposed to be an adult drama story.

Neurotech - I've read the story twice. I never connected chapter 10 to her Seju's.. shall we say complete use of sexual organs, so I'm grateful to you for flagging that point of detail by nora89. Well, it never occurred to me that she is bisexual, even after I saw them in bed (I just assumed it was a stupid mistake, nothing more). To be honest, I am now uncertain about whether the whole thing took place now after your telling me this. I'll have to cogitate and go back to the story later.

That philosophy can be applied to any story or drama - writers can't please every single person on the planet. I think, I could be wrong or I misremembered what I read, but the writer said at the beginning they knew the ending would be Sungji and Sumin (the premise started off between a blonde and dark-haired girl finding love or something - if I can, I'll try to dig up the reference). Regardless, I know many writers who were influenced by their fans, and it never ends well.

Xavier:
It is true that Sungji and Sumin were the main couple from the beginning; in fact, the story is about a girl who falls in love with her boss 10 years her senior. Seju's character comes a little later. The real problem comes when the partner from the past has a deeper history, there is more connection and an emotional language that the main partner could never show. That's a big problem at the writing level.

In fact, young Sungji fans adore her because she is a pure angel who came to rescue Sumin from her miserable life of 31 failed relationships, drunkenness, and mindless sex. The thing is, Sungji isn't as naive as some fans think she is. In reality, she is quite intelligent and calculating when the situation calls for it, as well as having many insecurities. An example, chapter 27 where she finds out about Seju's true relationship with Sumin, even though she had lied to him about the nature of her relationship. It is from that revelation that Sungji begins to despair of having sex with her.

There are many layers to analyze Xavier, so it is good to review the stories a few times to understand certain points that escape on a first reading.

That's why I defend my position so much, that the story seemed to go a certain way but everything starts to fall apart after the second arc. There was perhaps favoritism at stake with the main couple, I have no doubt so, but why create such an emotional and heartbreaking story between Seju and Sumin, if you weren't going to do anything with her. Where is there healing? Where is there forgiveness? How to move forward when your conflicts are still not resolved and you are not working to fix them? What was the real change in Sumin at the end of the story, she remained the same, her insecurities came from when she was young and she hardly dated Seju.

That was my issue to begin with - the main couple is an insecure lady with trust issues and some some blonde girl who comes onto the scene and airbrushes Seju's history??? That decade long ribbon can suddenly be cut by a sweet young lady, who shows some affection? Personally, it didn't make sense to me.

I can honestly say Sungji uses her charm and sweetness to manipulate Sumin's behaviour and I think it's a reaction to her own insecurities, so she doubles down.

I agree, it does fall apart and I have the same question in my head. Why bother putting in all those flashbacks to those happier, sweeter, halcyon days? What was the point? Because Seju is discarded like an old Persian rug to an auction in Jeju Island. And your subsequent questions are what creates that intense, romantic, intricate relationship. I regret they didn't pursue their relationship further, even if they were still to break up in the end, that doesn't matter. It was the fact the loose ends existed.

To be honest, my reading of Sumin is that she is (strangely) happy to have her insecurities as long as she has a Sungji figure to placate her. See even Seju, who Sumin kept coming back to have sex with, with this "Sumin for life, best girlfriend ever, I still love you no matter what" mantra / refrain

My analysis of Sumin's behavior is that he is a person with a very large inferiority complex but at the same time he is very egocentric. I never understood why she suffered this metamorphosis after the infidelity and the death of her parents.

I can understand her grief at the loss, she was attached to her parents, however, blaming Seju for her death and also yelling at him because she had removed the ring. The rings were the symbol of her promises, of her dreams, it is something unforgivable. Her breakup stems from that discussion, we already know what Seju does afterward, though it's never clear to me how she agrees to sleep with the bartender. Imagine calling your ex to listen to you while you have sex with someone else, accepting her gifts even though she had money to live comfortably, mentally abusing someone for a long time, going back to her when her superficial relationships weren't working, and it was because always I was looking for Seju in those relationships.

You believe that in real life you can live with a clear conscience knowing that for so many years you intentionally hurt a person you loved deeply and then magically jump into another relationship while still having your ex close to you.
And remember that it was Sumin who returned to Seju, he even made an excuse that he had left a girlfriend because she was bad in bed. Excuses and more excuses for his selfish and cruel behavior. Another example. Sumin is the one who returns over and over to Seju, because there must have been times when he missed it, those short moments or long periods of time when they meant everything to each other, chapter27.

Seju is a wonderful and painfully human character, Except for her blind love for Sumin. That is why I think that the followers of Sumin are teenagers or people who do not understand the real nature of her behavior and like her because of her tattoo and personality of bad girl and womanizer.

My analysis of Sumin's behavior is that he is a person with a very large inferiority complex but at the same time he is very egocentric. I never understood why she suffered this metamorphosis after the infidelity and the death of her parents.

I can understand her grief at the loss, she was attached to her parents, however, blaming Seju for her death and also yelling at him because she had removed the ring. The rings were the symbol of her promises, of her dreams, it is something unforgivable. Her breakup stems from that discussion, we already know what Seju does afterward, though it's never clear to me how she agrees to sleep with the bartender. Imagine calling your ex to listen to you while you have sex with someone else, accepting her gifts even though she had money to live comfortably, mentally abusing someone for a long time, going back to her when her superficial relationships weren't working, and it was because always I was looking for Seju in those relationships.

You believe that in real life you can live with a clear conscience knowing that for so many years you intentionally hurt a person you loved deeply and then magically jump into another relationship while still having your ex close to you.
And remember that it was Sumin who returned to Seju, he even made an excuse that he had left a girlfriend because she was bad in bed. Excuses and more excuses for his selfish and cruel behavior. Another example. Sumin is the one who returns over and over to Seju, because there must have been times when he missed it, those short moments or long periods of time when they meant everything to each other, chapter27.

Seju is a wonderful and painfully human character, Except for her blind love for Sumin. That is why I think that the followers of Sumin are teenagers or people who do not understand the real nature of her behavior and like her because of her tattoo and personality of bad girl and womanizer.

I totally agree with you regarding to Sumin. She is the favourite of the creator and no matter how cruel and selfish is her, both intelligent and beautiful Sungji and Seju still blindly in love with her. To me, this is not realistic. Sumin was intentionally tormented Seju to release her own pain for 10 years, I mean I understand she felt betrayed but how could you hurt the person you love for so long. To me Sumin's love to Seju is just not deep enough to be able to forgive her mistake or to let go of her earlier. Also due to Sumin's man chauvinist thinking, she will never forget about the scene she saw personally that Seju slept with a man while she is still grieve for her parents. And in the end, Sumin gave a will and committed to Sungji because she got love from Sungji and moreover she own Sungji's first time forever. Sumin easily let go of the past Seju because of Sungji and she has decided to create more new memories with Sungji. I know that many Asian guys do really mind whether their wife is still a virgin and they do feel responsible for their first time. Thus, once they know their wife betrayed them, the ultimate outcome is definitely a divorce and there's no turning point. Seju doesn't really fully understand Sumin, otherwise she would have let go of Sumin earlier and has a beautiful baby with someone who truly love her. The time she met Do Won, she is already 34, wasted so many years on someone who is not worth at all and I still don't agree that, if Seju really loves Sumin deeply, how could she stand Sumin for sleeping with so many other girls and when she is not happy came back to have abuse sex with her. This is so ridiculous. Unless she like to torture her ownself or she can't forgive herself for that mistake, that's why she is willing to take that punishment for so many years. Anyway, I hope everyone can move on just like them. Sumin finally able to love like a normal person with Sungji. Seju has Do Won who is strong enough to take care of her, imagine this girl has basically no one who truly love and take care or protect her at all for so many years. She deserves better. And Do Won is such a nice lover, they will create more sweet memories in future together.

Xavier:
It is true that Sungji and Sumin were the main couple from the beginning; in fact, the story is about a girl who falls in love with her boss 10 years her senior. Seju's character comes a little later. The real problem comes when the partner from the past has a deeper history, there is more connection and an emotional language that the main partner could never show. That's a big problem at the writing level.

In fact, young Sungji fans adore her because she is a pure angel who came to rescue Sumin from her miserable life of 31 failed relationships, drunkenness, and mindless sex. The thing is, Sungji isn't as naive as some fans think she is. In reality, she is quite intelligent and calculating when the situation calls for it, as well as having many insecurities. An example, chapter 27 where she finds out about Seju's true relationship with Sumin, even though she had lied to him about the nature of her relationship. It is from that revelation that Sungji begins to despair of having sex with her.

It's pretty simple: Sungji is the fox (cunning), while Seju is the dog (loyal)

There are many layers to analyze Xavier, so it is good to review the stories a few times to understand certain points that escape on a first reading.

That's why I defend my position so much, that the story seemed to go a certain way but everything starts to fall apart after the second arc. There was perhaps favoritism at stake with the main couple, I have no doubt so, but why create such an emotional and heartbreaking story between Seju and Sumin, if you weren't going to do anything with her. Where is there healing? Where is there forgiveness? How to move forward when your conflicts are still not resolved and you are not working to fix them? What was the real change in Sumin at the end of the story, she remained the same, her insecurities came from when she was young and she hardly dated Seju.

Bad writing. A story that was good accidentally, and ended poorly

My analysis of Sumin's behavior is that he is a person with a very large inferiority complex but at the same time he is very egocentric. I never understood why she suffered this metamorphosis after the infidelity and the death of her parents.

I can understand her grief at the loss, she was attached to her parents, however, blaming Seju for her death and also yelling at him because she had removed the ring. The rings were the symbol of her promises, of her dreams, it is something unforgivable. Her breakup stems from that discussion, we already know what Seju does afterward, though it's never clear to me how she agrees to sleep with the bartender. Imagine calling your ex to listen to you while you have sex with someone else, accepting her gifts even though she had money to live comfortably, mentally abusing someone for a long time, going back to her when her superficial relationships weren't working, and it was because always I was looking for Seju in those relationships.

IMO Sumin and Seju were just childish and behaving their age: Sumin was being very dramatic during her grief, and Seju also overreacted and cheated. Fairly normal young person behavior, and doesn't mean they didn't love each other deeply. But then Sumin being tortured happened and that trauma-bonded them during the 10-year period after she is beat up.

What many seem to miss is that Sumin admits to Seju in one of the chapters that she still loves her. And after that, that's when she does everything she can to break the relationship in a clean way, including caring for Seju when she is hurt. She doesn't say these stuff, but she acts. If you think about it, if you can't forgive yourself for something you did but you still love someone, you try to give each other the chance to fully start anew and you try to "atone for your guilt". Sumin was coming back to Seju until the end, and Seju was the one that finally saw the light and decided to leave.

Sumin saw Sungji more as a chance to live a normal life, etc. You can see it in the final chapters as well. I don't think that's the same as the heatfelt love she had for Seju before the trauma. But she may not be able to feel that kind of love anymore.

So bad writing or not, the story can also be understood not as a healing story, but as a story of what happens when someone (Sumin) can't heal. The story shows Seju healed but Sumin did not.

You believe that in real life you can live with a clear conscience knowing that for so many years you intentionally hurt a person you loved deeply and then magically jump into another relationship while still having your ex close to you.
And remember that it was Sumin who returned to Seju, he even made an excuse that he had left a girlfriend because she was bad in bed. Excuses and more excuses for his selfish and cruel behavior. Another example. Sumin is the one who returns over and over to Seju, because there must have been times when he missed it, those short moments or long periods of time when they meant everything to each other, chapter27.

Seju is a wonderful and painfully human character, Except for her blind love for Sumin. That is why I think that the followers of Sumin are teenagers or people who do not understand the real nature of her behavior and like her because of her tattoo and personality of bad girl and womanizer.

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I think Sumin is the real fox who always acted weak in emotional to darg on with Seju before meeting Sungji and she finally get Sungji who is prettier and younger than her for 10 years. I mean Sumin is damn lucky.

My analysis of Sumin's behavior is that he is a person with a very large inferiority complex but at the same time he is very egocentric. I never understood why she suffered this metamorphosis after the infidelity and the death of her parents.

I can understand her grief at the loss, she was attached to her parents, however, blaming Seju for her death and also yelling at him because she had removed the ring. The rings were the symbol of her promises, of her dreams, it is something unforgivable. Her breakup stems from that discussion, we already know what Seju does afterward, though it's never clear to me how she agrees to sleep with the bartender. Imagine calling your ex to listen to you while you have sex with someone else, accepting her gifts even though she had money to live comfortably, mentally abusing someone for a long time, going back to her when her superficial relationships weren't working, and it was because always I was looking for Seju in those relationships.

IMO Sumin and Seju were just childish and behaving their age: Sumin was being very dramatic during her grief, and Seju also overreacted and cheated. Fairly normal young person behavior, and doesn't mean they didn't love each other deeply. But then Sumin being tortured happened and that trauma-bonded them during the 10-year period after she is beat up.

What many seem to miss is that Sumin admits to Seju in one of the chapters that she still loves her. And after that, that's when she does everything she can to break the relationship in a clean way, including caring for Seju when she is hurt. She doesn't say these stuff, but she acts. If you think about it, if you can't forgive yourself for something you did but you still love someone, you try to give each other the chance to fully start anew and you try to "atone for your guilt". Sumin was coming back to Seju until the end, and Seju was the one that finally saw the light and decided to leave.

Sumin saw Sungji more as a chance to live a normal life, etc. You can see it in the final chapters as well. I don't think that's the same as the heatfelt love she had for Seju before the trauma. But she may not be able to feel that kind of love anymore.

So bad writing or not, the story can also be understood not as a healing story, but as a story of what happens when someone (Sumin) can't heal. The story shows Seju healed but Sumin did not.

Agreed with you that there were so many bad writing and favoritism in this manga.

After 10 years of torturing Seju and because of Nami's words, Sumin finally realised she still loves Seju and started to care for her because Seju was being threatened by someone. TMO, Sumin to Seju's love becomes a friendship kind of love but not romantically kind of love. At that time it is obvious that Sumin has already falling in love with Sungji. She acts nice and care for Seju because she feels guilty for how she treated Seju bad for so long. Even Seju's father who on his sick bed has tried hard to convince Sumin to leave with Seju to America and given them a good life but Sumin rejected and never tell Seju about what her father has arranged. Obviously Sumin does not love Seju romantically anymore and she feels she has no obligation to protect Seju. She has chosen Sungji because she has fallen in love with her and wanna to be with her for the rest of her life to the extent of writing a will for Sungji. I think Sumin is actually the one who get heal and get married in the end. But Seju will take longer time to heal because her love for Sumin is too deep and has been drag too long. Anyway, Seju is finally happy together with the strong Do Won who had shown her the difference between having sex and making love!

Still Sumin is the luckiest one who always get what she wants and enjoy life. She is the creator's favourite. Lol.

You know, out of all the sites I've been, this is the most prominent one where readers actually call out Sumin for her shitty behavior and asked the really hard questions. Anywhere else, you criticise their favorite character and you would have these snowflakes jumping down your throat, lol

Even after the story has ended, I never got the impression she learnt her life lesson and has changed for the better. She's still an incredibly selfish person as evident of Will. The only difference compared to the past, she now has an extreme doormat for a girlfriend who will let her do whatever she wishes without being challenged. I mean damn her, I wish I had a partner who lets me take her for granted all the time :D

None of these debates about the characters are really resolvable as long as the discussion is made solely in terms of “real” (although imaginary) people with fully developed psyches and personalities resulting from coherent backstories, as opposed to regarding them as fictional constructs created by an author.

As a character in isolation from her function in the story, Seju is great—she’s vivid, dynamic, sexy, gorgeous (like all the other women), etc.

As a function of the plot, she’s a disaster, a major mistake by the author that throws the entire story out of balance. She starts out as part of Sumin’s unhappy backstory that Sungji is going to save her from, but Seju’s wildly disproportionate development (sure, there’s a pun there, if you like) makes her more tragic (and certainly far more interesting) than either of the supposed main characters.

So ultimately what in terms of the plot is just the femme fatale ex-girlfriend who threatens the happiness of the romantic couple ultimately pushes aside the original lead, Sungji, who remains an underdeveloped two-dimensional too-good-to-be-true “angel,” while the excessive sympathy created for poor-little-rich-girl Seju and the depiction of her long-term devotion to Sumin overshadows Sumin’s legitimate grievances against Seju for her cheating and her callousness about Sumin’s loss of her parents.

It’s pretty clear that the authors fell in love with their creation but were unwilling to change the conclusion of the story, so they indulged in their penchant for nude scenes of Seju and paid the price at the expense of the development of the other characters and the coherence of the overall story.

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shimchong
I agree with your opinion. Sumin does not have the ability to love in the same way as in the past, she has dried up. And she admits it to Sungji herself before betraying her with Seju, for that very reason she decides to leave the company and get away from Seju. Remember when she goes to complain to Seju if she had sex with her friend.
I agree that she sees in Sungji the opportunity to have a normal relationship without too much baggage. My problem is that the story wants us all the time to feel sorry for poor Sumin full of broken relationships, and turned into a nympho and obviously Seju's fault.

They never realistically address that we are our own enemies, that the problems that Sumin suffered in the past were a denotation of his horrible behavior in the future, and even if there were no cheating in their relationship, they had serious problems that would have fractured their relationship. sometime. But we can also think that if two people love each other and are as connected as they were, they could have overcome any difficult event that life throws at them. If you can't deal with a breakup, how could you cope with the challenges and things that life brings every day?

Seju broke free, we don't know if she still has feelings for Sumin, but at least now she seems to love herself. Sumin doesn't show the same liberation, maybe it's her karma.